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Notorious b.s.d. posted:notably apple's airport / time capsule products run netbsd, not an osx derivative lol where do you think osx networking code originally came from hint its in ur username
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Mr Dog posted:It can't seem to do UPnP at all, or at least neither of us has found the option to turn it on. this is a feature not a bug upnp is garbage for idiots pushed by microsoft long past its sell-by date, to continue your rotting milk metaphor a vastly superior ietf engineered standard exists and is good. its called zeroconf. apple invented it so microsoft kept nih'ing it which is the only reason upnp still exists
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Last Chance posted:probably has it set up wrong. airports own
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BobHoward posted:this is a feature not a bug zeroconf and upnp are not comparable things though. i'd guess the op means upnp-igd for nat control however, in which apple also has a different standardized solution, nat-pmp, you can recycle your post with
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looks like the NIH is coming from inside 1 infinity loop
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:zeroconf and upnp are not comparable things though. i'd guess the op means upnp-igd for nat control however, in which apple also has a different standardized solution, nat-pmp, you can recycle your post with it just works bitch
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upnp is pretty silly, yeah, but its actually published as a standard service discovery is a really small part of it, its like two pages of the spec zeroconf / dns-sd solves that problem. what upnp actually solves is the poo poo that apple never made public, like daap, and apple actively broke our implementations of it (a new itunes came out which sent a specific packet which segfaulted our daap library -- easy to fix, but the message was "we can outrun you", so we stopped working on it)
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multicast dns-sd only works for printers and ip lookup, because apple never wanted to standardize the stuff they started building on top of it. i'm pretty happy with printers and ip lookup tho upnp will never solve anything, because microsoft are the only ones who care about it
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personally, i wrestled with upnp for around two hours on tuesday to try to get my android tablet to watch videos from my computer and gave up and bought plex for $5 its bad yes
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i dont even know what upnp is. my apple products all work seamlessly with zero configuration or effort as tim cradles me close to his welcoming bosom
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turns out all you needed all along for device compatibility across different vendors was just having devices from only one vendor, the dream is real~~ though tbqh i rather suspect that the moment you expect samsung or dlink to implement a protocol properly, whether invented in cupertino or Redmond, you can be pretty sure it'll end in tears
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:though tbqh i rather suspect that the moment you expect samsung or dlink to implement a protocol properly, whether invented in cupertino or Redmond, you can be pretty sure it'll end in tears as with everything else, the open source community will implement it correctly, and then d-link loads it into their firmware images and it more or less works routers can bundle random software because electricity and process table space are not their scarce resources. anything that fits in RAM will go into the image more or less android is just hosed. have fun with all the weird poo poo samsung reinvented and jammed into a single process i guess
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:as with everything else, the open source community will implement it correctly, and then d-link loads it into their firmware images and it more or less works *ships 5 million units whose NTP implementation uses the hardcoded IP of a single public stratum 0 server*
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Mr Dog posted:*ships 5 million units whose NTP implementation uses the hardcoded IP of a single public stratum 0 server* this can easily be fixed by getting isps to do some dpi and ip rewriting, I don't see the problem
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Mr Dog posted:*ships 5 million units whose NTP implementation uses the hardcoded IP of a single public stratum 0 server* uh, actually it sounds like a great way to build a network of 5 million stratum 1 servers
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pseudorandom name posted:is DLNA commonly used? it's pretty much the only way to play network media on smart tvs and game consoles where you can't install a real media player minidlna is p easy to setup though
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:mdnsresponder is really gross code inside, which is why it didn't catch on. hmm yes, not using autotools is somehow "really gross" just why would you expect something Apple wrote for Apple use and then made Open Source to use a GNU toolchain? next you'll be surprised that clang and llvm don't use autotools either
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eschaton posted:hmm yes, not using autotools is somehow "really gross" not using autotools or anything cmake is an acceptable anything
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Soricidus posted:not using autotools or anything soricidus got the emphasis right it's not that it doesn't use autotools, it's that it doesn't use anything. instead of trying to manage headers and includes it just ships separate source directories and hope
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if I recall, for OS X, iOS etc. there's an Xcode project, for Windows there's a Visual Studio project, for lesser UNIX systems there's a Makefile why bother with autotools? to run it on some hacked-up DG-UX on an Aviion 88110-based system in someone's garage? I'm one of those people who might actually want to run it on an Aviion or something like that, I've also done some minor looking into porting mDNSResponder itself to Haiku, and I've also brought up plenty of Open Source projects on Darwin-based operating systems to be part of the operating system or other suites that run on top of them I think I can confidently say a Makefile and config header to customize are honestly not such a big deal for most projects, that the GNU autotools are a far bigger pain than they're worth, and that unless your project is at the scale of something like llvm you probably don't need CMake
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quoting to see emote code my phone
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Zom Aur posted:ive never really got the point of avahi. never really seems to work automatically and never bothered to actually try to configure it showing this popup is avahi's only function, afaik: 
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Wheany posted:showing this popup is avahi's only function, afaik:
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Still no updates on Tmax Window from South Korea, there should be a version 10 some time. 
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If there was no tmax window 8 to screw up the existing user interface then they can just stick to whatever number they have now.
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there's been little content here lately Suspicious Dish, any comments on this? http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=XDG-App-Christmas-2015
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what comment do you want
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its poo poo jerry
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guess what has had sandboxing for like a million years. you guessed it. the worlds most advanced operating system. apple osx
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Suspicious Dish posted:what comment do you want as someone technically competent who actively gives a gently caress,is it Good or is it Bad
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HMMquote:As a reminder, this sandboxed applications approach relies upon Wayland, KDBUS, SELinux, and other modern Linux technologies for operation. With KDBUS back to the design stage, it could be a while still before seeing XDG-Apps become more popular on the GNOME desktop.
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ahmeni posted:is it Good or is it wack Ftfy
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ahmeni posted:as someone technically competent who actively gives a gently caress,is it Good or is it Bad xdg-app? p. good even if i don't agree with every decision.
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