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Jsor posted:I hope there's an event where you can uplift a race of super soldiers to fight a war and have them rebel on you after the war is over because they're bored. As long as theres genophage research
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DrSunshine posted:I hope that if you do aggressive observation or try to conquer the planet, a sufficiently advanced civilization might try to resist you, XCOM-style. I've always wanted to try seeing it from the other side!
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Oh my god, Im on the hype train soooo hard. This game is going to be amazing.
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DrSunshine posted:I hope that if you do aggressive observation or try to conquer the planet, a sufficiently advanced civilization might try to resist you, XCOM-style. I've always wanted to try seeing it from the other side! this: quote:Just so - outright conquest! As you can imagine, primitive civilizations have few means to resist a technologically advanced invader. Industrial and especially post-atomic civilizations can prove harder nuts to crack, but their weapons are still markedly inferior to those of a typical spacefaring culture. Would seem to indicate that this is the case. EDIT: And the event system would probably mean "invasion taking too long gives natives time to reverse engineer your tech and they uplift themselves to spacefaring civilization" wouldn't be too hard to put in, or even mod in.
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Covert Infiltration? Finally, the Third Rock from the Sun game we've been waiting for.
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This DD has me wondering about how two empires are gonna interact if there's a primitive planet in a border region or something. Like, what happens if you have an observation post set up, are doing an infiltration mission and then some jerks with too many appendages try to conquer the planet? Can you intervene?
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Grizzwold posted:This DD has me wondering about how two empires are gonna interact if there's a primitive planet in a border region or something. Like, what happens if you have an observation post set up, are doing an infiltration mission and then some jerks with too many appendages try to conquer the planet? Can you intervene? I never knew I wanted a galactic cold war simulator so much until this moment.
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RabidWeasel posted:I never knew I wanted a galactic cold war simulator so much until this moment. With Pops there's an obvious niche for a Finlandization/Fifth Column mechanic that could even change Ethics. Have defectors flock to your empire and denounce the evils of their old home on galactic broadcasts.
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canepazzo posted:New dev diary on primitive civs Can there be failed primitive civilizations? e.g. civilizations that entered the modern era and then destroyed themselves through climate collapse or war? Basically I want to encounter post-apocalyptic earth ruled by Immortan Trump and uplift them into a caste of specialized slave-warriors.
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Paradox posted:The Neborite civilization of the Kahalajom system. They destroyed themselves shortly after entering the Atomic Age a few decades after this picture was taken. sounds like it for sure This seems pretty cool, drat.
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Dibujante posted:Can there be failed primitive civilizations? e.g. civilizations that entered the modern era and then destroyed themselves through climate collapse or war? A caption on one of the pictures with that update says: "The Neborite civilization of the Kahalajom system. They destroyed themselves shortly after entering the Atomic Age a few decades after this picture was taken." Maybe it's just a throwaway joke, but I'm inclined to think this means yes. Now whether you can have a post-collapse-but-still-existing primitive civilization? That would be cool, but this doesn't seem to indicate one way or the other.
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Koramei posted:sounds like it for sure This to me was the coolest part of the diary. The level of detail this single event implies the devs are putting into making cool things happen in the game is pretty sweet.
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TotalHell posted:A caption on one of the pictures with that update says: I think this is all that's missing for someone to create a Mass Effect scenario for Stellaris.
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I haven't been too excited about the city art so far but I really like that mechanical age city  Ridiculous question: I know we can easily mod our own race graphics, but will it be just as easy to assign sprites for what our races cities/buildings look like? Can my race of human space zizek's live in huge gray apartment blocks? Our racial animation will be frenzied sniffing and shirt tugging.
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TotalHell posted:A caption on one of the pictures with that update says: That would be pretty cool to have the more primitive planets slowly progress as the game went on, with maybe some industrial, post-atomic worlds discovering space flight and joining in - even if they are minors like in GalCiv or something. But it also wouldn't suprise me if primitive civs are 'stuck' in their current state. Considering a really primitive, prehistoric civ would have to be around for thousands of years to naturally progress from stone age to space age what is the point of modeling their evolution if you never see it? Industrial age civs seem to have more detail being created for them (assuming the points in the lecture weren't just fluff) and they would have a better chance of developimg space flight within the scope of the game's time frame (which I'm assuming isnt thousands of years). Maybe next week's DD will touch on it when they discuss uplifting?
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Psychotic Weasel posted:That would be pretty cool to have the more primitive planets slowly progress as the game went on, with maybe some industrial, post-atomic worlds discovering space flight and joining in - even if they are minors like in GalCiv or something. quote:Civilizations can and will progress between the ages, but it's a fairly slow process so you're not going to see a Bronze Age civilization work their way up to space technology within the span of a single game... on their own, at least. Technological Enlightenment does not move them up through the various ages, it's essentially a progress bar (with associated events). The time it takes depends on how advanced the primitives are.
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This DD said somewhere or possibly in a later dev post that non-interstellar cultures do develop but the timescales involved means that it's going to be rare that new spacefearing civilizations appear, though it will be possible. E:FB
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Be prepared for it to be all kinds of wonky on release, but a year or two later it'll be the best 4x ever made.
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I haven't been nearly as excited about Stellaris as the rest of the thread and I'm not that big a fan of 4x games generally, but I really like this dev diary.
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There's foundations for so much cool stuff that even if it coasts in as a base CK2 or EU4 experience it should be polishable up real good. As long as they can resist doing an expansion that adds the Large Magellanic Cloud as a playable area.
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With the awful-looking Independence Day sequel trailer hot in my mind, I wonder if we'll: A) Be able to play as some Locust-like alien species, horde & migration mechanics included as we loot and pillage our way across the galaxy, glassing the planets behind us B) End Game Disaster Event with guys like those popping up alá Mongol Invasion, with less painting the map their color and more painting it in a nice dead husk...y color. Seems like likely DLC content if nothing else. More Advanced DLC idea: Play as Antares-like assholes, advance to a high enough tech level (or start out as these guys, they could be a On/Off option switch/scenario that's always there if you'd like, even if you aren't playing them) and chill out in like a pocket dimension of your own making, with easy access to the galaxy-at-large while most "primitives" can't even touch you. Send out regular raiding parties to make sure they stay at a low tech level. Fail and you'll have a swarm of angry bees coming after you. Pimpmust fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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Interesting - didn't read through the rest of the thread beyond the first page. The "Show only Dev posts" button is a useful feature.
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Puella Magissima posted:I haven't been nearly as excited about Stellaris as the rest of the thread and I'm not that big a fan of 4x games generally, but I really like this dev diary. I don't want to get too hyped because a solid, replayable, good-looking space 4x is like the Holy Grail, but this all sounds really good.
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Dibujante posted:I think this is all that's missing for someone to create a Mass Effect scenario for Stellaris. You figure one of the standard end-game scenarios is some kind of extra-galactic threat.
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Dreylad posted:You figure one of the standard end-game scenarios is some kind of extra-galactic threat. I was mostly thinking of saving the Krogan from themselves and then keeping them down again. Maybe an end-game disaster scenario could entail some Krogan-like species failing to be put down again.
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I really like seeing the potential for empires to have flavor and character so far, between the science ships, events, being able to watch precivs blow themselves up or elevating them into an allied civilization, and the different ethics and pops. Even seeing the fanatic collectivist stuff excites me because I hope it's different from regular collectivist. To have each and every of the 16 potential positions be fairly different from each other and not have fanatic to just be regular x2 would be great. I'm trying not to set myself up for disappointment but this really seems like it could be the space game that actually hooks me. I enjoy stuff like Endless Space and even Civ but I only ever play them once then move on because the civilizations have very little character (the abstraction involved in Civ kind of ruins their historical character for me). To have already heard that Paradox recognizes how important historical identity is to their current games and to endeavor to actually imbue something similar into a fictional game excites me. When the game was announced I was afraid they'd simply make a space Paradox game and not realize how important history is to making each nation interesting to play. Don't let me down you bastards!
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Psychotic Weasel posted:Interesting - didn't read through the rest of the thread beyond the first page. Holy poo poo I didn't know this existed, I always just scroll through and look for the black background text. I just wonder if 30 civs will be the max at a time. It looks like it's the max allowed when generating a map, but can more civs appear through uplifting or rebellion if the game already has 30? I also hope we get more galaxy creation options. They mention they haven't quite balanced the number of primitives yet. Give me a settings! The galaxy options didn't really have a lot of settings, I really hope they add in more or maybe a "custom galaxy" option where we can really dig into things like number and average development of primitives, anomalies, galactic threats, star types, all that good poo poo.
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I was trying not to get too hyped about Stellaris, but the ability to be a reptilian is way too cool to not be interested.
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*Builds secret spy base to "Nope, nothing to see here folks, just move along." *gets on space phone, "Larry why the gently caress did you build the "research" platform at G4232C the same size as the planet? Now we'll never get those pics of myley cyrus!"
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Baronjutter posted:Holy poo poo I didn't know this existed, I always just scroll through and look for the black background text. Yes - while I'm sure the ranting about not being able to gently probe other races or why we can massacre entire alien species but not Jews is rather deep and thought provoking, there are times where you're just looking for more pertinent information. It's almost like Paradox knows their forum is an affront to god but refuses to do anything about it... Crash74 posted:*Builds secret spy base to
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Psychotic Weasel posted:Later in the thread the dev mentioned that the screenshot is using a kind of weird forced perspective to emphasize the station, it's smaller in the game itself. While they're still pretty big in comparison to the planet I think that's mainly a design decision so that people can easily tell what's going on on the screen. I'm sure most people won't be playing the game zoomed in that close and even fewer people want go pixel hunting to find their ships. Why are soldiers so big in EU4? Ever notice they're totally not to scale with the castles???
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Ever notice how castles are larger than the provinces??? No??? Okay.
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Baronjutter posted:Why are soldiers so big in EU4? Ever notice they're totally not to scale with the castles??? I thought because gravity hadn't been invented yet that people just grew really, really tall? Isn't that how it works?
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Psychotic Weasel posted:Yes - while I'm sure the ranting about not being able to gently probe other races or why we can massacre entire alien species but not Jews is rather deep and thought provoking, there are times where you're just looking for more pertinent information. It's almost like Paradox knows their forum is an affront to god but refuses to do anything about it... That's easily solved by having a tag over top of the units that stays scaled to the screen and then disappears when zoomed in fully. Having things that are not the death star be the same size as the plant is a little ridiculous. e: Mainly complaining about this because when I build a death star to "purge" everyone it will actually look cool if every thing else is not scaled so badly. Star ruler 2= https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJJEMmzKzR4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ChMEMQxQLw Crash74 fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Dec 15, 2015 |
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Baronjutter posted:Why are soldiers so big in EU4? Ever notice they're totally not to scale with the castles??? honest to god i had a really serious discussion with a friend of mine because his stupid rear end refused to play EU2 because the soldiers were too big, it was unrealistic.
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Mans posted:honest to god i had a really serious discussion with a friend of mine because his stupid rear end refused to play EU2 because the soldiers were too big, it was unrealistic. ...Wait, you mean giants didn't roam the earth until 1948?! Didn't they just die off in WWII? Weren't they the Uber Mensch?!
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Mans posted:honest to god i had a really serious discussion with a friend of mine because his stupid rear end refused to play EU2 because the soldiers were too big, it was unrealistic. What no NATO counters? wtf!?! So casual.
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