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Doresh posted:Kuze-Shu (aka Kuze Order) this is amazing because I totally didn't notice this before, but I feel all the profiles should be on display for posterity's sake:   
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Nuns with Guns posted:this is amazing because I totally didn't notice this before, but I feel all the profiles should be on display for posterity's sake: Silverwing Ouren is definitely Angel, given that Angel loses his wings at one point and regains them through a bargain with Apocalypse. Thunder Juuto is so Gambit it's not even funny, it's hilarious. Makoto of the Eater Worms is probably based off Maggott, an obscure X-man. I'm guessing the Rikudo Aya is Psylocke, being a quasi-psychic ninja. I'd think that Kanoh Fustatsu is based off Cannonball from the New Mutants and Idaten Ginji is Quicksilver, even with being the son of super-important and bad.
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Dec 13, 2015 20:27
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I like that the Adamantine Monk is Zordon. That amuses me greatly.
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Dec 13, 2015 21:34
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Punting posted:I like that the Adamantine Monk is Zordon. That amuses me greatly. "I need five Armour Riders with attitude Fates!" (And man, I hope this TBZ supplement will have actual rules for transformer and combiner Armours...)
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Dec 13, 2015 22:37
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Doresh posted:"I need five Armour Riders with attitude Fates!" They're releasing a TBZ supplement? Since when?
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Dec 13, 2015 22:57
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Covok posted:They're releasing a TBZ supplement? Since when? It's currently only a rough backer-only draft: unseenlibrarian posted:They added another gunslinger Art of War in a recentish kickstarter update, that one being for crossovers from the "Western" setting of Terra. (It's both Western as it's inspired by Europe and the US and and also Western as in there are cowboys.) I don't know if this was originally an actual supplement or rather material converted from Tenra War, a game that combines all of Jun'ichi Inoue's previous RPGs (TBZ, the card-based steampunk western Terra the Gunslinger, and the post-apocalyptic mecha-centric Angel Gear). This supplement also probably includes the mass combat rules, which are AFAIK the only part of the original TBZ book that didn't make the translation.
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Dec 13, 2015 23:06
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It was the backer update from late September this year, for the record; it does include the mass combat stuff, and the Terra Gunslinger stuff was originally part of the "DLC characters" for TBZ, which included a Terra Gunslinger who had a "Gunslinger" art of war, the Demoner, who became the basis for the Persona-esque alt setting, a Dog-form Konghoki, and a half-ayakashi with a unique mechanic; their abilities are sealed by special pins and and are raised when removed. (But once removed, you can't put them back in place.)
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Dec 13, 2015 23:34
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unseenlibrarian posted:a Dog-form Konghoki, 
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Dec 13, 2015 23:55
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Grnegsnspm posted:I have the What If...? where he marries Sue. That's probably close enough. Is that the one with the kinda gross/creepy panel of Namor feeling up Invisible Woman while they're skinny dipping? If so that was a big part of why I gave up on comics.
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Dec 14, 2015 00:18
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As if more evidence was needed, the line-up of X-Men that most closely matches the Kuze-Shu is from around Uncanny X-Men #355, since there's only a brief window that both Cannonball and Maggott are both in the book, which dates them to reading it around 1998. Tenra came out in 1997, but the Kuze-Shu were originally from a supplement that dates roughly between then and 2000. So they were not only reading X-Men, but were reading it up-to-date at the time.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:As if more evidence was needed, the line-up of X-Men that most closely matches the Kuze-Shu is from around Uncanny X-Men #355, since there's only a brief window that both Cannonball and Maggott are both in the book, which dates them to reading it around 1998. Tenra came out in 1997, but the Kuze-Shu were originally from a supplement that dates roughly between then and 2000. So they were not only reading X-Men, but were reading it up-to-date at the time. Would that have included Iceman and Jubilee? I didn't list Hyouki the Ice Demon as Iceman, because it was too obvious, and Shumi Hourin I'd imagine sounds a lot like Jubilee, especially her going toward the younger set. Also, Rei the Shrine Maiden is clearly Jean Grey.
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Young Freud posted:Would that have included Iceman and Jubilee? I didn't list Hyouki the Ice Demon as Iceman, because it was too obvious, and Shumi Hourin I'd imagine sounds a lot like Jubilee, especially her going toward the younger set. Well, I covered all my educated guesses earlier. Jubilee was with Generation X at the time, but Iceman and Jean Grey were on the main team (but left shortly thereafter). Obviously the Kuze-Shu has more X-Men than have ever been on any version of the team. but having both Maggott and Cannonball is a pretty strong indicator of that era, given they would leave the team shortly thereafter and never return, and neither is particularly iconic as far as X-Men members go. I know too much about this sort of thing.
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Midjack posted:Is that the one with the kinda gross/creepy panel of Namor feeling up Invisible Woman while they're skinny dipping? If so that was a big part of why I gave up on comics. No, however, I just went through my collection to confirm this and now realize that issue is missing. It goes from from What If...? 20 to 22 and I could have sworn I had the full run. I am not willing to dig through all my long boxes to see if it was misplaced though. I'd rather spend the 2 dollars or whatever to just get another copy.
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Dec 14, 2015 05:32
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Doresh posted:The truth is that Bleach is far from being popular nowadays: It's the only one of the Big Three that actually lost readers, the anime is cancelled and will most likely only be continued as an OVA (if people still care enough at that point), and the last Bleach fighting game (the only measure of a shounen fighting manga's popularity you'll ever need) came out like 5 years ago. The only thing you can even get for current-gen stuff is maybe some cheap social gaming stuff, and appearances in Jump's multi-crossover games. I check in on the Bleach wiki every few months to see what's up. I see that Uryu has betrayed Ichigo again, but it's for real this time, cause he said so with an angry scowl just like the last 3 times that he betrayed him. Also Ichigo is a Quincy/Hollow/Soul Reaper/Vizored/X-Cutioner/Mod-Soul/Human/Whatever Else he Needs to Be to justify the absolutely loving batshit plot. Kubo needs to be stopped for his own good.
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Dec 14, 2015 06:37
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Kurieg posted:Kubo needs to be stopped for his own good. Nah. It's become an unintentional performance art piece on dragging a story out much longer than it had any right to be. I say let it continue on for as long as this trainwreck is so terrible that it's amazing to read, in the worst way.
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Dec 14, 2015 06:57
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Is there an official Tumblr to post all these cool images, like the X-Men and the RIFTS art?
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Dec 14, 2015 10:03
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Kurieg posted:I check in on the Bleach wiki every few months to see what's up. I see that Uryu has betrayed Ichigo again, but it's for real this time, cause he said so with an angry scowl just like the last 3 times that he betrayed him. Also Ichigo is a Quincy/Hollow/Soul Reaper/Vizored/X-Cutioner/Mod-Soul/Human/Whatever Else he Needs to Be to justify the absolutely loving batshit plot. He's probably just angry ever since Kubo started drawing both with the same face to save time. And when did he stop playing in the same power league as Ichigo? A decade ago? Ichigo got more power-ups during this time than Uryu shot arrows. I'm really looking forward to a duel that can only be fair because of power-ups granted by Asspull McSuperGod. I feel Kubo might be borrowing from that one time Vegeta got a McDonalds logo on his forehead to compete against SSJ Goku, but that was actually far less silly. (And while we're at Uryu: Why doesn't he concentrate his anger issues on Mayuri? Dude killed is granpa and is just a name change away from being Dr. Mengele.) It's a good thing the filler arcs are just that, otherwise he'd also be a German poser vampire with a parasite weapon, as well as a weapon himself. And a devil. Covok posted:Nah. It's become an unintentional performance art piece on dragging a story out much longer than it had any right to be. I say let it continue on for as long as this trainwreck is so terrible that it's amazing to read, in the worst way. I would probably have more fun following the story for the lulz if I wasn't one of those guys who prefers actually buying the volumes (and I'm not throwing anymore cash in that direction), or if Kubo wasn't so far up is own rear end that he comes up with nonsense like his "5 Levels of Secrets" (which is basically him going "If you think you've found a retcon or plot hole, it's actually a brilliant plot-twist I have foreshadowed since the beginning. But don't worry, only a genius like myself could've figured it out!"). Arrrgh. Count Chocula posted:Is there an official Tumblr to post all these cool images, like the X-Men and the RIFTS art? Official in what sense? Zereth posted:Dog-shaped soulbot buddy! You can already have that in the core book. Konohki can even get an animal head from the get-go. The only problem is that they require arms, so its less of a dog and more of a werewolf, but you can just run on all fours. Doresh fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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Dec 14, 2015 18:19
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Yeah, the supplementary stuff is an actual four-legged animal body.
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Dec 14, 2015 18:42
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unseenlibrarian posted:Yeah, the supplementary stuff is an actual four-legged animal body. With a back-mounted infantry support weapon, I hope. Or a sword in his mouth. Doresh fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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Dec 14, 2015 20:01
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I always thought Bleach went of the rails very early on when it goes into the Soul Society arc and jettisons the more interesting parts of its premise and supporting cast in favor of becoming an exceedingly generic battle manga that just completely loses focus from there on out. Art's nice, tho.
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Dec 14, 2015 21:01
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Alien Rope Burn posted:I always thought Bleach went of the rails very early on when it goes into the Soul Society arc and jettisons the more interesting parts of its premise and supporting cast in favor of becoming an exceedingly generic battle manga that just completely loses focus from there on out. Art's nice, tho.
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Dec 14, 2015 21:26
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Alien Rope Burn posted:I always thought Bleach went of the rails very early on when it goes into the Soul Society arc and jettisons the more interesting parts of its premise and supporting cast in favor of becoming an exceedingly generic battle manga that just completely loses focus from there on out. Art's nice, tho. Yeah, that's where the Lensman arms race and cast bloat started and never stopped. And all my favorite characters from the "Let's beat up invisible monsters!" era would only ever get like one panel per leap year. Hostile V posted:Good point on the art, but if you want really good art, check out Incarnate by Nick Simmons. I think this is what happens if you rip off a manga without actually doing any research into how popular said manga actually is in the West.
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Dec 14, 2015 21:39
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Alien Rope Burn posted:I always thought Bleach went of the rails very early on when it goes into the Soul Society arc and jettisons the more interesting parts of its premise and supporting cast in favor of becoming an exceedingly generic battle manga that just completely loses focus from there on out. Art's nice, tho. Is that what happened? I remember watching like the first five episodes on Netflix and thinking "Hey, I could get into this, this dude is so angry about ghosts, okay" and then catching a random later episode and it was like "800 guys in hakamas hate each other's outlandish haircuts" and I was out.
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theironjef posted:Is that what happened? I remember watching like the first five episodes on Netflix and thinking "Hey, I could get into this, this dude is so angry about ghosts, okay" and then catching a random later episode and it was like "800 guys in hakamas hate each other's outlandish haircuts" and I was out. The anime started out as a normal monster of the week anime, slowly introducing new friends who also had colorful super powers. But then the soul society intervened and became the all encompassing focus of everything. And every episode from then on just became escalations from one baddie to the next strongest one among a cast of hundreds. There are other problems, like the big bad having literal mind control powers and only losing because of his egotistical refusal to use them on the hero. Or one of the ancillary "heroes" being anime Mengele.
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theironjef posted:Is that what happened? I remember watching like the first five episodes on Netflix and thinking "Hey, I could get into this, this dude is so angry about ghosts, okay" and then catching a random later episode and it was like "800 guys in hakamas hate each other's outlandish haircuts" and I was out. Yeah, bleach takes like, no time at all to drop the "Dude fights monster ghosts" and just be entirely about "People who purportedly fight monster ghosts, fighting each other over monster ghost fighting politics" Like the one time bad ghosts show up again, they're ascended bad ghosts who are basically just sentient people who are maybe jerks? Like once the ascended monster ghosts appear, they're basically indistinguishable from all the other factions
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Kurieg posted:There are other problems, like the big bad having literal mind control powers and only losing because of his egotistical refusal to use them on the hero. Or one of the ancillary "heroes" being anime Mengele. Anime Mengele who somehow doesn't get any sort of punishment for secretly turning all of his underlings into suicide bombers without them knowing. And when he's not busy winning fights by making stuff up as he goes along (essentially out-villain the villain), he occasionally acts as comic relief. There are also flashbacks of dubious value that go on forever, and the absurd size of the cast and Kubo's inability to handle it means a character can have 2 or so focus chapters, only to then immediately vanish from the face of the Earth for years. And despite this manga being about the afterlife (at least supposedly), there is still no official word on whether or not the Soul Society is the afterlife for everyone or just the Japanese, and what everyone else is doing if there are other afterlifes and the Japanese reaper guys seem to be the only ones defending all of existence against the evil of Spanish and Germans. (Though the manga is an excellent choice if you like seeing arms chopped off. That's Kubo's standard wound of choice.) FicusArt posted:Like the one time bad ghosts show up again, they're ascended bad ghosts who are basically just sentient people who are maybe jerks? Like once the ascended monster ghosts appear, they're basically indistinguishable from all the other factions Everyone's some samurai dude with a sword. If you're lucky this sword can turn into some other kind of neat weapon. If you're unlucky, it's either an incredibly stupid weapon (like an ICBM for the ninja girl of the cast), or it's "I can do whatever I want and always win - unless I become a bit stronger and decide to turn into a dumb brute so the main character can actually defeat me". Doresh fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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Dec 14, 2015 22:04
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Doresh posted:I think this is what happens if you rip off a manga without actually doing any research into how popular said manga actually is in the West. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarnate_%28comics%29
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Doresh posted:Everyone's some samurai dude with a sword. If you're lucky this sword can turn into some other kind of neat weapon. If you're unlucky, it's either an incredibly stupid weapon (like an ICBM for the ninja girl of the cast), or it's "I can do whatever I want an always win - unless I become a bit stronger and decide to turn into a dumb brute so the main character can actually defeat me". It started off with Soul Society, where there are twelve squads with 2 main guys (captain and vice-captain), so there's 24 dudes to remember and keep track of. Then Aizen comes along and he's got a crew of 10 guys each with at least one second in command, so that's like another 20-30 characters. These guys were actually okay because they had superpowers whose names had meaning both in Japanese and Spanish, which I guess is pretty cool. Oh and I guess the Vizards are here too and that's, like, 10 guys I think. I stopped reading sometime during the fullbringer arc, but it appeared to be another like 10 guys thrown at you all at once. I just looked at Wikipedia and now they're up against a group with 26 members, one for each letter in the English alphabet. 
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Strange Matter posted:Don't forget that Kubo loves huge posses. The anime also had filler arcs which introduced characters, including one that made everyone's weapon into a sentient character in it's own right. So for one arc the cast literally doubled.
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theironjef posted:Is that what happened? I remember watching like the first five episodes on Netflix and thinking "Hey, I could get into this, this dude is so angry about ghosts, okay" and then catching a random later episode and it was like "800 guys in hakamas hate each other's outlandish haircuts" and I was out. Yeah. Basically when a comic creator is pitching their comic to a big manga publisher they might have like the first arc or so done, and I get the impression Bleach was sold on that early strong pitch, and when it finally got picked up it has the feeling of the author not having planned beyond that and just getting terribly self-indulgent with superfluous characters and battles, and the majority of those characters have no significance save to be Your Favorite Duder whenever they pop on panel and do a thing. Getting back to the original point about serial franchises inevitably stretching onward into madness, really it's a bug or a feature depending on how you feel about it. For me and the X-Men, it's a bit of both. I like that it gets complicated to the point of farce, but at the same time I prefer it when writers are just adding blocks on top of the ridiculous multicolored Lego castle instead of trying to pull out the blocks from the bottom and then just stick them back on top again. I'm pretty sure I'd read a Kuze-Shu manga, in any case.
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When Rumiko Takahashi does a series that's basically a straight up parody of yours that's more focused on a core cast of characters and less inclined to power upgrade bloat, you've probably hosed up somewhere.
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unseenlibrarian posted:When Rumiko Takahashi does a series that's basically a straight up parody of yours that's more focused on a core cast of characters and less inclined to power upgrade bloat, you've probably hosed up somewhere. For real, Bleach is still the mental example I go to when I'm thinking of "absurd tier of setting power." It exemplifies the pitfalls and issues even better than DBZ because at least there it's only the villains that use armies of guys who are literally incapable of hurting any significant threat.
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I thought the new Rumiko Takahashi stuff was parodying her own Inuyasha stuff.
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Mors Rattus posted:I thought the new Rumiko Takahashi stuff was parodying her own Inuyasha stuff. Maybe a bit, but the title character is a red-headed boy who's half-deathgod on his father's side who works as a part-time exorcist, so it's kind of hard to avoid the comparison.
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LornMarkus posted:For real, Bleach is still the mental example I go to when I'm thinking of "absurd tier of setting power." It exemplifies the pitfalls and issues even better than DBZ because at least there it's only the villains that use armies of guys who are literally incapable of hurting any significant threat. Toriyama at least saw where the power creep was going and tried to kill off Goku so the series could be about the half-Saiyans, Vegeta, and Piccolo as a more ensemble cast rather than revolving around him, but the fans revolted and that was that.
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Hey, at least the Bleach anime treatment fared better than..say... D.Gray Man---now there's one that went so far off the rails to an inconclusive ending it boggles the mind. Note: This doesn't count shows that relish in a predicament of their own making in such muck and filth, like Naruto....or stuff that just comes up so short of their source material so as to be inconsequential a tease like the new Arslan or especially Guin Saga. Pretty much all the long running shows of this sort venture strange locales eventually, especially DB of late with the new Super series, but with proper planning it doesn't have to be this way. The world needs more Hunter X Hunter's and Legend of Galactic Heroes approach to these sorts of things so as to not collapse under the weight of their own world building.
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Here's a non-anime thing you can enjoy if you want something less anime and more rambling podcast full of listener questions! Afterthought 21 - Terms and Conditions We carry on the conversation about replacing simple terms with "round" with colorful terms like "escapade" and discuss the merits and flaws of doing so. Then questions.
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Strange Matter posted:Don't forget that Kubo loves huge posses. It's worse. Each Arrancar has up to 4 Fraccion guys (or however you write that again), and about half of the Arrancar actually replaced older Arrancar that couldn't keep up anymore, who are also running around. Not to mention a bunch of weaker Arrancar. And some Soul Society divisions also get noticably more attention than others, adding around half a dozen more guys to keep track off. I think One Piece might actually have a larger cast at this point, but they're distributed over a bunch of islands that you can't actually directly travel between, so the amount of characters to keep track of at any given point stays sane (not to mention they're easy to remember due to the cartoony art style resulting in almost everyone having completely different proportions). Bleach on the other hand has all the good guys lumped into 2 locations, with the villains having one of their own. Alien Rope Burn posted:I'm pretty sure I'd read a Kuze-Shu manga, in any case. Especially if they keep the more light-hearted art style and make it saturday morning grimdark. Kavak posted:Toriyama at least saw where the power creep was going and tried to kill off Goku so the series could be about the half-Saiyans, Vegeta, and Piccolo as a more ensemble cast rather than revolving around him, but the fans revolted and that was that. I'm also pretty sure Toriyama has no delusions about the artistic value of most of DBZ. He's just making something to appease his sillier DBZ fans between making designs for the next Dragon Quest. ExiledTinkerer posted:Pretty much all the long running shows of this sort venture strange locales eventually, especially DB of late with the new Super series, but with proper planning it doesn't have to be this way. The world needs more Hunter X Hunter's and Legend of Galactic Heroes approach to these sorts of things so as to not collapse under the weight of their own world building. One Piece seems to be doing quite good in that regard, though I don't quite like how post-timeskip is going for some "You're the chosen One!" angle with Luffy's 1-in-a-million super haki. I preferred it when it was just "Training lets you hit guys made out of light/magma/sand and eventually pull off superhuman feats.". theironjef posted:Here's a non-anime thing you can enjoy if you want something less anime and more rambling podcast full of listener questions! Actually, the Immortal review gave me an idea. Aside from my hypothetical WoD parody about plumbers (or Oirams, as they will probably be called), I have been thinking about something along the lines of Special: The Snowflaking. There are no actual stats in the game, but each player has to come up with unique names for each and every game mechanic and concept they'd like their PC to use / be good at. Doresh fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Dec 15, 2015 |
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theironjef posted:Here's a non-anime thing you can enjoy if you want something less anime and more rambling podcast full of listener questions!
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