tithin posted:

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD EVENING DARLINGS AND GENTLE-DARLINGS

so of the reading I've done so far, the only suspicion I've picked up so far is someone with gamer in the nameso I'd need to read again now that I'm off my phone and on a PC

Max posted:

And no one listened to my request

Max posted:

Which vote that has been made thus far bothers you the most? Why?

Murmur Twin posted:

##vote TMM

I have a theory.

Tommunist posted:

whats ur theory

Murmur Twin posted:

It's mostly meta and not something I want to specifically say at this point. I will definitely address it later.

Max posted:

##vote Gwynplaine This is scummy and so is your "do we really HAVE to lynch someone" argument

Max posted:

Which vote do you agree with the most thus far? Why?

Gamerofthegame posted:

##unvote I guess


This pings me real bad for some reason, I dunno. I need time to think on it, but Ridonkulous going full ham on Ixt and then letting go without ceremony after it's obvious no one is jumping in, yet spending so much time in the circlejerk.

And also never actually voting on him. It strikes me as Bad, but in the same breathe it seems like such a stupid play for scum to do immediately at game start that it seems unlikely to amount to anything and I DON'T LIKE IT I'M AMBIVALENT SEND HELP

##vote Ridonkulous the most scummy right now with this argument I guess but I dunno I really would like a ~~~second opinion~~~

BabeLiker90 posted:

I strongly suspect one of the two votes on me from last night is a scum vote.

Birdstrike posted:

I have a convoluted theory about Diqnol. His vote on Pod is almost too easy.

Max posted:

So this never actually happened, fyi.

tithin posted:

You are correct, I drank instead of re-reading day one. I regret nothing.

I'm just going off gut, when I was reading on the bog earlier, I saw someone with the word gamer on their name thinking their vote seemed suss, but that's a half remembered thoguht from 8 hours ago.

Max posted:

I'm going to bed, please answer these questions for me to mull over and then give my opinion on later tomorrow:

Which vote that has been made thus far bothers you the most? Why?

Which vote do you agree with the most thus far? Why?

Kashuno posted:

This is the worst vote in this thread by far. MMT has a theory that's strong enough for her to throw her vote behind, but it's not strong enough to actually discuss when asked about it? This strikes me as a really coy way to get people thinking about TMM, as after reading this at least I had an urge to go reread TMM to see if I missed something. This way, if someone else had decided to lead the charge against TMM after this vote MMT could easily explain her "meta" case or handwave it away if he flipped town.

Murmur Twin posted:

I just wanted to see how many times I could get you to type the letters M and T in a paragraph

And I'll put it on the record - I do really think TMM is scum, regardless of anyone else's reaction.

Kashuno posted:

fwiw I think gwyn is telling the truth about being a super soldier

Kashuno posted:

fwiw I think gwyn is telling the truth about being a super soldier

TMMadman posted:

Yeah, but he could still be scum. I mean even the sign up OP said that scum powers are a degree more powerful than town, so I think we have to be careful about people with strong claims.

I also agree with Max that Gwyn's vote is pretty scummy. It's really just a hop on vote and he can use bird as a shield if it goes bad.

TMMadman posted:

Yeah, but he could still be scum. I mean even the sign up OP said that scum powers are a degree more powerful than town, so I think we have to be careful about people with strong claims.

I also agree with Max that Gwyn's vote is pretty scummy. It's really just a hop on vote and he can use bird as a shield if it goes bad.

Kashuno posted:

In terms of actual game content:

I guess that's true he could be scum? Gwyn isn't really striking me as scum so far though; like most auspolers his d1 game is pretty silly but I have learned to give a couple of them the benefit of the doubt d1 (birb is not one of them).

Gamerofthegame posted:

The best vote is mine on Rid cuz it's mine and I actually feel more confident in it after their reply.

The worst vote is MTT's because it is trash, max. it's garbage. Sixteen hours from now it's going to be "ha ha you responded just as I thought you would it was just a test" and undo it.

Gwynplaine posted:

I just like to pal around with birdstrike. He's not a my shield.

My constitution is such that I don't need one.

TMMadman posted:

Yeah, I'm still trying to figure that one out.

I mean I thought it was obvious that my vote for Kash was a joke given the pregame chatter about me and Kash being in the same thread. Plus, you know, the fact that it was my second post in the thread and my very first vote early on D1. I don't think my first vote in any game has ever been a serious vote unless I skipped the early part of D1.

So here Kash, you can rest easy that my vote was just a joke: ##unvote

I don't actually think Kash is scum.........




.....yet.

EXAKT Science posted:

Ick, this is not a good post

Kashuno posted:

I haven't caught all the way up yet.


Hi I realize you haven't played mafia in a while. Have you considered that the reason for this is you suck at it?

##vote ridonkulous

Maybe if you play again you should think "Is this dumb" and if yes, don't post it!

Ridonkulous posted:

Can you justify why you are voting for me? Because you do not like my style or do you actually think I'm scum?

Gamerofthegame posted:

The worst vote is MTT's because it is trash, max. it's garbage. Sixteen hours from now it's going to be "ha ha you responded just as I thought you would it was just a test" and undo it.

Kashuno posted:

Also I mean it's fine to feel TMM is scum but you should probably have a reason

Max posted:

Which vote that has been made thus far bothers you the most? Why?

Murmur Twin posted:

It's mostly meta and not something I want to specifically say at this point. I will definitely address it later.

Max posted:

Which vote do you agree with the most thus far? Why?

Dominoes posted:

Mafia philosophy: You're not in danger of being lynched. Do you think it's useful to question someone's vote for you for its own sake?

Possible reasons:
- You think Kash is scum, [partially?] because of his unsubstantiated vote
- You'd like to continue discussion and solicit responses from other people so you (and others) can judge their alignments
- You didn't have a good reason, and raised the question instinctively, perhaps out of curiosity or annoyance
- You think it's worth defending your case, should others follow Kash's vote
- Other

Dominoes posted:

Go on: do you think it's scummy, pointless, or something else?

Ridonkulous posted:

Can you justify why you are voting for me? Because you do not like my style or do you actually think I'm scum?

Kashuno posted:

I agree the most with this one. I think Ridonk was trying to get a train started on ixt, and it never quite took off. Ridonk backs down pretty quickly once the pressure starts to turn to him instead, and seems like he's a bit worried that he miscalculated. His response to gamer after this didn't change anything as far as I'm concerned and for now my vote is also staying on ridonk. I don't like any other vote right now.

Ridonkulous posted:

This reeks of "just trust me" without any reason to have earned trust. I think Murmur is refusing to justify "gut" which is a lovely reason to vote.
I am not sure what the gamble/reward would be from a scum perspective but this is easily the worst vote.


I do not see any votes that I agree with. Tommunist, Rascyc, CPig, Bowmore, and KingBurgundy offer little reasoning for their vote. I think Kashuno's vote is crap and GameroftheGame's second vote is understandable but flawed.


Are your "reasons" why he voted for me or why I asked, to me this entire rant looks like useless gibberish. You are trying to look like you are contributing more than you are.

although:


posts like this are helpful, so I think your intentions are just misplaced and not scummy.

Murmur Twin posted:

Geez you guys are impatient!

In my limited number of games with TMM, my read on his meta is that when he is town, he tends to come off as more defensive and argumentative*, especially when people accuse him of being scum. When he is scum, he adapts a more polite and cooperative tone and doesn't really engage in all-out arguing with people.

I wanted to at least give TMM time to react before explaining my thought process. My thought is that a town TMM would have OMGUS'ed me 100% of the time. The fact that he ignored it and instead moved on to other cases makes me think he's trying to avoid drawing unnecessary attention to himself, which I see a scum tell.

Yeah, it's a meta case based on a small sample size, but so far it's my strongest read.

*(this isn't meant as a personal criticism as I quite enjoy playing with TMM, just me trying to find scum)

Murmur Twin posted:

Geez you guys are impatient!

In my limited number of games with TMM, my read on his meta is that when he is town, he tends to come off as more defensive and argumentative*, especially when people accuse him of being scum. When he is scum, he adapts a more polite and cooperative tone and doesn't really engage in all-out arguing with people.

I wanted to at least give TMM time to react before explaining my thought process. My thought is that a town TMM would have OMGUS'ed me 100% of the time. The fact that he ignored it and instead moved on to other cases makes me think he's trying to avoid drawing unnecessary attention to himself, which I see a scum tell.

Yeah, it's a meta case based on a small sample size, but so far it's my strongest read.

*(this isn't meant as a personal criticism as I quite enjoy playing with TMM, just me trying to find scum)

Murmur Twin posted:

Geez you guys are impatient!

In my limited number of games with TMM, my read on his meta is that when he is town, he tends to come off as more defensive and argumentative*, especially when people accuse him of being scum. When he is scum, he adapts a more polite and cooperative tone and doesn't really engage in all-out arguing with people.

I wanted to at least give TMM time to react before explaining my thought process. My thought is that a town TMM would have OMGUS'ed me 100% of the time. The fact that he ignored it and instead moved on to other cases makes me think he's trying to avoid drawing unnecessary attention to himself, which I see a scum tell.

Yeah, it's a meta case based on a small sample size, but so far it's my strongest read.

*(this isn't meant as a personal criticism as I quite enjoy playing with TMM, just me trying to find scum)

Kashuno posted:

BabeLiker90 posted:

What do you think of Podima (I note you did not acknowledge my vote)

BabeLiker90 posted:

What do you think of Podima (I note you did not acknowledge my vote)

BabeLiker90 posted:

I am wondering if your intent is only to note votes on people with momentum rather than actually finding scum, you see.

Ridonkulous posted:

I had overlooked it. I get your point but I see it as fluff posting and not necessarily scummy. So as much as I do not agree with your vote I do not find it "scummy".

Ridonkulous posted:

Are your "reasons" why he voted for me or why I asked, to me this entire rant looks like useless gibberish. You are trying to look like you are contributing more than you are.