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A very long time ago, Pratchett used to talk about a proposal for a "Hill Street Octarines" show, in which Guards! Guards would be the pilot episode and Men at Arms would be the first series. If it ever happens, that's got to be the way to start.
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Hedrigall posted:I hope if they ever make that Watch TV series, that they start out of the gate with the later, more complex stories (Feet of Clay onwards) and the full regiment of Watch characters already there. I'd die waiting a whole season or two before the best characters show up (Angua, Detritus, Cheery). I thought they weren't going to adapt any existing Watch stories - that it would be its own thing? I kinda think that's the way to go honestly.
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Yeah that was what I heard/thought as well, the established characters would be in the background and the main characters in the show would be mostly new. Though at this point who loving knows.
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Well clearly it means that his illness and death were an elaborate hoax and he's coming back!
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Hedrigall posted:
A biography, possibly? The last Long Earth book isn't due until June.
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The Discworld Omnibus  ("wider than it is tall!")
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YggiDee posted:The Discworld Omnibus It would cost 500 dollars, and I would buy it.
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Hedrigall posted:Just finished Thud!, it was good. A drat good mystery with surprising twists and turns throughout, and padded out with good subplots too (Angua vs Sally, A.E. Pessimal, etc). Kind of sad I've read my last proper Watch book, though, as I've heard Snuff is more of a Vimes solo book. Thud has its detractors but in my head is one of the last of the good ones 
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sebmojo posted:Thud has its detractors but in my head is one of the last of the good ones Thud? It diamond.
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subx posted:It obviously looks to be some sort of autobiography, but was anything ever mentioned about such an endeavor? Rob posted on Twitter that they spent Terry's last day working on his biography so there's a good chance that's what this is.
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sebmojo posted:Thud has its detractors but in my head is one of the last of the good ones
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YggiDee posted:The Discworld Omnibus The unabridged Book of Om * * guaranteed arrowproof
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FactsAreUseless posted:Thud's good apart from the terrible girls' night out c-plot. You have to admit, that part is really bad. It's mostly good but reading it immediately after Going Postal probably made me judge it way too harshly as GP is one of my top 5 Disc novels.
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FactsAreUseless posted:Thud's good apart from the terrible girls' night out c-plot. Granted. Terry's occasional forays into terrible 'oo-err' music hall style english sex comedy were reliably bad from day one.
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sebmojo posted:Granted. Terry's occasional forays into terrible 'oo-err' music hall style english sex comedy were reliably bad from day one. Counterpoint: the entire character of Nanny Ogg.
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sebmojo posted:Granted. Terry's occasional forays into terrible 'oo-err' music hall style english sex comedy were reliably bad from day one. They were terribly English if that's what you mean.
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precision posted:You have to admit, that part is really bad.
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That part never sat right with me. Like Nobby was somehow taking advantage of her just because he was apparently the first person to ask her on a date. It might have made more sense if, say, Nobby was taking her for granted and she was unhappy but unwilling to leave because she thought she had no chance with anyone else. As is, it has this weird "beautiful people deserve better than ugly people" undertone that seems at odds with most of the other morality lessons in the books. Nobby is a weird-looking guy with several flaws, but the books have gone out of their way to establish he's not a bad person at heart, so whats the problem with him having a hot girlfriend?
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I...didn't think the girl's night out part of Thud! was that bad? I mean, it's average at worst and overall a minor part of the story, unlike Windle Poon's story in Reaper Man.
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The Nobby subplot in Thud to me seemed less "Uggos don't deserve hotties" and more "Sally and Angua are a couple of wankers". Like, in the course of the book they're pretty much getting ready to murder each other over Handsome Charisma Boring Man and neither of them ever have a good word to say about anyone and spend all their time threatening to gently caress up fellow guardsmen for basic locker room jibes [meanwhile trolls and dwarves just get on with it] and Cheery is a fuckin' racist of the "oh yeah but not my mate x they're alright" variety.
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Thud is legitimately one of my favorite Discworld books. I always felt that the girls night out segment had two primary purposes. It's meant to show that Nobby is a pretty good dude who has, whether by luck or by Vimes' example, overcome his upbringing. Despite Nobby's well-earned reputation, he's a good guy today. Look past Nobby and you see the good man he has slowly become. It also shows that Angua and Sally most certainly have not overcome their demons. Scratch the veneers and they're still monsters at heart. They've softened, and they're trying to be better, but they're not. Not yet. They're still capable of monstrous acts, and even willing to be monstrous. Thud is all about looking beneath the surface. Everyone from Nobby to Angua to Mr Shine to Vimes to the whole war itself, Thud wants you to look past the veneer and see the truth of its characters, the circumstances that they are in, and the world in which they live. The climax of the book is in a cave, for Om's sake. A cave in which, shockingly, the truth was discovered. I am very rarely the kind of guy who catches subtext, but in Thud, it's drat near regular text. (slight edit for clarity) ConfusedUs fucked around with this message at 06:51 on Jan 19, 2016 |
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VagueRant posted:This just in: Monstrous Regiment is still amazing and kinda underrated and I really need to grab a paper copy of it at some point. That's the secret about Jackrum. A lot of people who really shouldn't like him do, and he does well by his people despite being a total bastard. ConfusedUs posted:Thud is legitimately one of my favorite Discworld books. The Guarding Dark might be the purest pinnacle of Vimes' characterization. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 08:47 on Jan 19, 2016 |
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subx posted:It obviously looks to be some sort of autobiography, but was anything ever mentioned about such an endeavor? Good LORD I hope it is, I will pay all the money.
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Liquid Communism posted:The Guarding Dark might be the purest pinnacle of Vimes' characterization. Agreed. He finally embraces that darkness in his heart. That it's a literal corrupting presence doesn't take away from the metaphorical meanings here. Sam is, in many ways, finally at peace with himself at the end of Thud. There are a lot of parallels with the Guarding Dark and the early Watch when Angua, Detritus, and such were rookies. Steer them in the right direction, and let nature take over. Closely supervised, of course.
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That's what he's doing, though. That's Vimes' whole theory of leadership. He can't be everywhere, but he can turn out a whole generation of coppers with him in the back of their heads, ready to kick them if they so much as think about stepping off the right and true and not doing their duty.
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Liquid Communism posted:That's what he's doing, though. That's Vimes' whole theory of leadership. He can't be everywhere, but he can turn out a whole generation of coppers with him in the back of their heads, ready to kick them if they so much as think about stepping off the right and true and not doing their duty. Do you want Gods? That's how you get Gods.
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ConfusedUs posted:Thud is all about looking beneath the surface. Liquid Communism posted:The Guarding Dark might be the purest pinnacle of Vimes' characterization. Yes, scratch* the surface of Vimes and you'll find the Guarding Dark. *Like wtih a rusty nail... Elector_Nerdlingen fucked around with this message at 13:16 on Jan 20, 2016 |
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ConfusedUs posted:Sam is, in many ways, finally at peace with himself at the end of Thud.
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FactsAreUseless posted:That explains why Snuff sucks. Snuffs' characterization of everyone is all over the place.
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MikeJF posted:Do you want Gods? That's how you get Gods. Hah! Particularly in Discworld. (Never expected to see an Archer reference make sense in a Discworld context, well done.)
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