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Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Dude you just passed out with her still in the room with you. Why are you surprised she's still there? The more important question is where the hell did Zell go?

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Artelier
Jan 23, 2015


curiousCat posted:

Quistis randomly being the card King is amazing. I don't remember if you have to have her in your party when you sleep for her to show up?

Naw, just gotta sleep after beating the rest of CC and I think talking to the doc is required.

Even if you lose there, you can still officially beat the group if you challenge her later on. She'll just...go on her knees in the cockpit instead, IIRC.

Extra Tasty
Aug 5, 2014

I've played this game a lot, but I've just never really bothered with the CC sidequest. I had no idea Quistis was King before now :monocle:

Nidoking
Jan 27, 2009

I fought the lava, and the lava won.
I think you have to go to your room, send the rest of your party away, and then sleep, right? Someone says something about seeking the King alone, and that's your only clue.

Trivia
Feb 8, 2006

I'm an obtuse man,
so I'll try to be oblique.

I work in a Japanese school. Today we had two new foreign exchange students come in from Australia. They were up on stage being introduced in front of the entire school. Then two student council girls joined them on stage for a more personalized interview. About two questions in and this doozy comes out almost verbatim.


Their answers were pretty much this exactly.



Fuckin' weird man.

Akratic Method
Mar 9, 2013

It's going to pay off eventually--I'm sure of it.

Any day now.

Trivia posted:

I work in a Japanese school. Today we had two new foreign exchange students come in from Australia. They were up on stage being introduced in front of the entire school. Then two student council girls joined them on stage for a more personalized interview. About two questions in and this doozy comes out almost verbatim.

Their answers were pretty much this exactly.

Fuckin' weird man.

The idea that FF8 might accurately represent teenagers in Japan terrifies me.

Keromaru5
Dec 28, 2012

Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

This avatar made possible by a gift from the Religionthread Posters Relief Fund
The biggest insight I ever had about FFVIII was realizing that it was a high school manga rendered as an epic secondary-world fantasy RPG. It's the Persona of the Final Fantasy series.

...And now I'm imagining FFVIII with visual novel segments and Social Links Junctions.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
If they remake VIII, a Social Link system sounds like it'd be an interesting idea to incorporate to show Squall getting out of his shell.

MR. J
Nov 22, 2011

Chuck and Fuck

Psion posted:

this is jrpg_sidequest.txt if there ever was one

. "Okay you're at the final dungeon at the final boss on the very screen with the final boss AFTER THE FINAL SAVE POINT. Walking forward literally one step will end the game.

...

Go back to the town you started the game, then..."
I want a JRPG that fucks with you if you go to do every sidequest and throws a Symphony of the Night at you with a whole extra chapter involving the villain executing their main plot because you were too busy loving around in casinos and such all this time. With a final boss fight fit for the level 99 party you're bound to have.

AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!

MR. J posted:

I want a JRPG that fucks with you if you go to do every sidequest and throws a Symphony of the Night at you with a whole extra chapter involving the villain executing their main plot because you were too busy loving around in casinos and such all this time. With a final boss fight fit for the level 99 party you're bound to have.

It's not quite the same but Drakengard requires you to get all weapons for the final ending, which involves fighting an infamously difficult boss.

Roro
Oct 9, 2012

HOO'S HEAD GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND?
Card King? More like Idiot King, Quistis :smug:

bradzilla
Oct 15, 2004

Akratic Method posted:

The idea that FF8 might accurately represent teenagers in Japan terrifies me.

Weird that a game made in Japan is accurate about people living in Japan. So weird.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Do those girls just show up and immediately bring up the color choice box? If not, you're missing a screenshot there.

Rainuwastaken
Oct 30, 2012

Another blue ribbon for Hecarim.

AlphaKretin posted:

It's not quite the same but Drakengard requires you to get all weapons for the final ending, which involves fighting an infamously difficult boss.

That's not really in the same spirit though. Levels are meaningless for that fight. As are weapons, tactics, reason, and hope.

Aithon
Jan 3, 2014

Every puzzle has an answer.

Keromaru5 posted:

The biggest insight I ever had about FFVIII was realizing that it was a high school manga rendered as an epic secondary-world fantasy RPG. It's the Persona of the Final Fantasy series.

...And now I'm imagining FFVIII with visual novel segments and Social Links Junctions.

You even have to bind mystical beings to your very soul because you're the only ones who can fight Shadows Sorceresses!

Vil
Sep 10, 2011

RareAcumen posted:

Do those girls just show up and immediately bring up the color choice box? If not, you're missing a screenshot there.

Looks fine to me. The context of the color choice box comes before the first time we see it (when the cursor's pointing at red). The later times we see it are "what if" options for other responses. They ask favorite color, then favorite food, then are foiled in asking about favorite type of girl.

Cool Ghost
Apr 13, 2012

MORE YOU SWEAT、
LESS YOU BLEED。
MORE YOU WEEP、
LESS GAME OVERS。
...OVER

RareAcumen posted:

Do those girls just show up and immediately bring up the color choice box? If not, you're missing a screenshot there.

I've fixed this, thanks.

Vil posted:

Looks fine to me. The context of the color choice box comes before the first time we see it (when the cursor's pointing at red). The later times we see it are "what if" options for other responses. They ask favorite color, then favorite food, then are foiled in asking about favorite type of girl.

Nah, I'd left out the line "what's your favourite colour?"

Cool Ghost fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Jan 7, 2016

VagueRant
May 24, 2012

Trivia posted:

I work in a Japanese school. Today we had two new foreign exchange students come in from Australia. They were up on stage being introduced in front of the entire school. Then two student council girls joined them on stage for a more personalized interview. About two questions in and this doozy comes out almost verbatim.
I'm pretty sure I've seen the "type" question on Korean TV too, so it's not just Japan. I still have no idea how I would answer it.

Trivia
Feb 8, 2006

I'm an obtuse man,
so I'll try to be oblique.
Clearly the answer is "sluts."

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
So I have a question that I'm not sure if the game answers: what's the deal with Quistis having innate magic powers for her Limit Breaks? Isn't that a Sorceress thing?

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Selphie's is magical too, and all the male characters have physical limit breaks. I guess women just have more magic in this world.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
That's true. So I guess the real odd one out is Seifer using Fire in his Limit Break.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

Hobgoblin2099 posted:

That's true. So I guess the real odd one out is Seifer using Fire in his Limit Break.

It isn't magic. The fire in Seifer's Limit Break is created by chi.

Cool Ghost
Apr 13, 2012

MORE YOU SWEAT、
LESS YOU BLEED。
MORE YOU WEEP、
LESS GAME OVERS。
...OVER
I don't think the game ever mentions it directly, but I always felt like limit breaks assumed a GF being equipped. :shrug:

rickiep00h
Aug 16, 2010

BATDANCE


Oh hey I disappeared for a while there.

Punchy dudes are all dinguses. Snow is just the most massive of them. I was going to reiterate that Zell is the least, but then this update happened.

So yes, Sabin is PROBABLY the LEAST dingus-y. HAPPY??

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

ultrafilter posted:

I guess women just have more magic in this world.

Nothing says magic like defeating your foes with Fart rush or Fart cannon.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

Come, all you fair and tender maids
Who flourish in your pri-ime
Beware, take care, keep your garden fair
Let Gnoman steal your thy-y-me
Le-et Gnoman steal your thyme




Cool Ghost posted:

I don't think the game ever mentions it directly, but I always felt like limit breaks assumed a GF being equipped. :shrug:

We know that use of para-magic does not require the use of a GF -as SeeD is the only major force that uses them - and even the lowly G-soldier has some para-magic ability, so I don't think it's that. It doesn't ever say, but I have a theory on it that we can't talk about yet.

AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!

Isn't paramagic like FF13 PSICOM's manadrive, though, a technological handwave for magic-like abilites? SeeD would have no use for it, and as it happens Rinoa, the only non-SeeD female, is the one female with non-magical limit breaks.

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

Come, all you fair and tender maids
Who flourish in your pri-ime
Beware, take care, keep your garden fair
Let Gnoman steal your thy-y-me
Le-et Gnoman steal your thyme




Every spell not cast by a human that is not a Sorceress is Paramagic. Everything that you draw or refine counts as that - that's why human enemies have magic to draw in the first place. You're correct that Rinoa is the only female with a non-magic limit break, and I suspect that the magic from limit breaks is not paramagic, but I don't think that GFs are responsible for it. When we get to the appropriate reveal, I'll expound further.

Aithon
Jan 3, 2014

Every puzzle has an answer.
Not sure how many we've seen, but at least half of Squall's Renzokuken finishers looks a lot like magic channeled through his gunblade. Unless it's just non-magical anime powers given to swordsmen because they're swordsmen, just like... well, in every other jRPG.

e: Now that I think of it, it might be relevant that just a game ago Cloud could shoot meteors out of his sword just because he was angry enough. But FF7 seemed much less bent on trying to explain every little thing in the world than FF8, and besides had magic as something very natural, so maybe it didn't stand out as much.

Aithon fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Jan 16, 2016

S.D.
Apr 28, 2008

Cool Ghost posted:



The next story destination is Balamb, so we're not going there today.


Our first stop is FH.


You have the same picture doubled here.

Kilonum
Sep 30, 2002

You know where you are? You're in the suburbs, baby. You're gonna drive.

Trivia posted:

Clearly the answer is "guys."

I mean, come on, the dude's favorite food is hot dogs




















And pink is totally canon. I won't hear otherwise :colbert:

Cool Ghost
Apr 13, 2012

MORE YOU SWEAT、
LESS YOU BLEED。
MORE YOU WEEP、
LESS GAME OVERS。
...OVER

S.D. posted:

You have the same picture doubled here.

I fixed this, thanks.

Cool Ghost
Apr 13, 2012

MORE YOU SWEAT、
LESS YOU BLEED。
MORE YOU WEEP、
LESS GAME OVERS。
...OVER
Part Fifty-Five: Dollet Dog


Welcome to another exciting episode of Final Fantasy VIII. Today, we're still exploring.


I'm headed over to Dollet, but you can't get in by sea. Instead you have to go up on land and run into town. Being an rear end in a top hat, I parked in the middle of the road.


Welcome to Dollet. There's a lot less going on than the last time we were here.


One thing that is going on is that we could rent a car. Absolutely no reason to, but I mean, we could.



We can also find out some guy's getting stood up.



And get told to gently caress off 'cuz we're creepy.


Or draw some spells. Like I said, there's not much going on here.


We can't even go to the comms tower for old times' sake. Do you think the Galbadians know about Seifer's background?


This guy is a pro.



...Or maybe he's Laguna in disguise.


So, now that the guard has a cramp, we have a chance to run through.


But I mean, whoa, you can't just do poo poo like that.


...And then he fucks off anyway.



Huh. Well, I'm just gonna stand here and watch you get eaten. Hope that's cool with you.


...Guess I can go to the tower now.



...Or not.


But, let's say we did force our way in.


Now we're back in this part of town.


Since this area is still under Galbadian control, there are G-Soldiers around.


For example.


I...didn't know?



Huh, would you look at that. It worked.


Now, let's be a good boy and tell the truth.


This guy doesn't know who we are. :ssh:


RoboVite?


Oh, it's one of these things again.



...The old model was better.





I hope this one works for ya.



...Guess not.



You know what? Okay.


Well, that was an adventure.



No harm, no foul.


While we're in the square, let's talk politics with the locals.



After we quit repelling the invasion halfway, Galbadia took over. I think we knew this already, but now we really know it.



Good luck with that. I'm 80% sure SeeD's services are off the market at the moment.


There's never any number attached to it, but SeeD's expensive.


They're still better than pretty much another force, as far as killing Galbadians.



I guess Edea's at least helping keep taxes down, in a roundabout sort of way.


Well, see ya.


Congrats, man.



This guy's car apparently got destroyed by X-ATM092, even though I busted it up on the bridge as far as the game is concerned. It's supposed to be the same blue car you can see here:


But it's not. :iiam:

Note: I was informed by Vil that the wiki where I got this information was in fact wrong, and while the game recognises I destroyed X-ATM092, it is not granular enough about that to recognise that I did so before I hit this screen, hence the car being replaced.



Down by the pub is a woman waiting for a man, probably that guy in the square.



Well, I got some stuff to take care of. You have fun with that.


Now, let's hit the bar. At least one of the people here is 18.




:rimshot:



Sucks to suck.


Talking to her again...



If there's one thing I know about communicating with people, it's that if they ask you how they look, you should say "very attractive" and trail off.



Too bad, Squall, she's just not that into you.


Or there's this one, which I imagine to be said in a way that implies a breathless wonder at talking to a real woman.


Nah, I mean, Squall's kinda got a thing goin' on, but I'll get my boy Irvine in here.



Oh.


:confused:


That probably is true.


Or we can just agree with him.


And get some real advice.



There's also a second possible exchange with the other drunk. No idea why.


Let's head upstairs.


Man, what the hell is with this place and questions like this?


Wow, cool.


I always think before I play cards. I am not an irresponsible card player.



Or, we can say we do know, and learn that the owner is apparently pretty good at cards. I'm going to beat him at cards at least twice.



Also, for some reason, the game was really fussy about me talking to this guy.



Of course, I pissed away my first chance.


But, let's play!


...I just said yes.


YES LET'S PLAY.


And here's our introduction to a lovely rule: Random. Random picks your cards randomly, which you probably don't. Theoretically, the best defence against this is to only have good cards. It probably won't happen.


That's what everyone says after I beat them at cards.



Squall is 17 and he is irresponsible.


Nice place you got. Real cool table that says "card game" on it.


There's some stuff in these magazines.


I didn't know they made alcohol by fermenting snakes. Meat wine sounds bad to me.


poo poo, what do I know, though?


I do enjoy reading.


Haha, congratulations.



That other guy seems to have been ill-informed.


The pub's owner apparently lost at cards so badly he got married.


Dude, just don't play cards.


Wouldn't leave it out if he didn't want it read.



That's nice. Idyllic.



...Oh. Well.


:(


There's a lighter read on the other side of the room.


Important Laguna fact: he's bad at cards. Write that down.



Important Dollet fact: don't eat there.



Important Occult Fan fact: used to be called BOO! Monthly.


It's probably in one of these stacks of magazines.


Specifically, this one.






You just have to check a bunch of times, collecting a bunch of semi-random junk.


But, if you persist...


I'm sure there's a perfectly logical explanation for that.


Your dead wife? Dude, clean up if you don't want people finding out.



Awesome! I love to get cards!


...gently caress you.





These are all pretty poo poo, but you take what you can get.



Ah, sure. Why not?


I might have one or two.


For a guy with zero plot importance, this dude has a lot to say.




That's still mostly the way.


Well, I am an avid player.



And there's my rare card! See ya never!



What's up with this place and cards?


If you look at the pool table in the foreground of the last shot, you can see this magazine. Like talking to the manager, the game didn't want me to do this and it was a hassle.


Anyway, that's enough of the pub.



The child will not talk to Squall, which is honestly probably a good call. Squall is a professional murderer.


And here's something interesting. Remember how I said it was weird the guy had a new car earlier? Well, if you don't bust up X-ATM092 before that screen, it stomps on his car:


Like so. And if it gets shot up by Quistis, its remains are here on the beach. They're not here, because I blew it up on the bridge:


Like so. So, my question to you is: why the gently caress is the car green?

Note: See above.


Anyway, we can worry about cars later. For now, let's hassle a child.


This is the pub owner's daughter.


I played a game of cards with the kid, because I'm not a monster. I won, though, because I'm not a loser.



I'm not ready!

Kid: Wait...? Huh...? C'mon mister! We're playing here!
: Mister...? I'm only 17...

Another classic prank.


I'm ready now.


Well, have fun, kid.


I mean, it looks better than the last time we were here, sure.


I wonder if this guy just hangs out here all day, waiting to tell someone he fixed stuff up.



But, even though it's been fixed up, the design hasn't changed.


Giant robot? Nah, I wouldn't know anything about that.



I don't think that's really how this works, pal, but good luck collecting.



These are nice screens, but largely pointless.


Now, let's talk to a dog.


That makes a cat fall down, and run off.


The dog will be important later.


There's a quest to do in Dollet, see. It involves entering this house and seeing the old guy yell at the painting.


It also involves tanking my framerate. No clue why, but when the old guy is in the room, the emulator just loving crawls.

Old Guy: Forget it! I'm going to the beach to let off some steam...!


Is it weird that we're here for this? It feels weird.



That's not true. Lots of people are hacks.


And, if we look at the painting (it's the square with the fountain)...


I told you the dog would be important.

: Where did it go?

Our new mission: find the dog.


The dog is not on the beach.


But there is :siren: IMPORTANT OLD MAN LORE. :siren:



Everyone has problems in their life.



But sometimes, your problems can illuminate a secret stash of dogs.



Good to see something work out for someone.




:eng101: When you have a mission, it's important to gather intelligence from the locals.


Well, we found the dog.



I'm not an idiot. Look under that bone.


If you come back on disc 3, this is an X-Potion, but I could not give a gently caress, so we're doing this now.


Now that we've found the dog, I've got some frames to get rid of.


Up to your hips?


...We should probably just wait for the old guy to leave next time.



I wonder what Squall thinks about artistic freedom &c. Probably that it doesn't get him paid.


I think you could see this place from here if you opened the door.


It is not the beach.







This is kind of sweet.


Do you think all SeeDs do poo poo like this, or is it just Squall?



Let's see what the dog has for us this time.


It's a Mega-Potion on disc 3, by the way.


And once more back to the artist's place.


You gotta give the old guy credit, he paints fast.


The fact that this scene is even here makes me think that kid's getting in trouble again...


Good for you. A couple weeks ago, one of Squall's old comrades ran ten thousand volts through him.


Squall also fights oppression. Historically, it's not gone well.


This is literally a painting of what's outside the door.


But of course, there's another chat to be had on the beach.



:smith:


:unsmith:



And we have one last gift to pick up from the dog.


Elixir on disc 3. This is the only one that might possibly be waiting for.


Once we're done talking to the dog, the old man shows up.



Well, there he goes, I guess.


I sort of wonder if that's what the original line was.




Do you think all SeeDs do poo poo like this, or is it just Squall?



I have never heard a clearer invitation in in my life.



That's nice.


Oh, and in case you were wondering.



Yes, like everyone else in this town, become a weird card guy.



And the pub owner's daughter is left alone with her ennui again! Happy endings all around! :toot:



I'm so happy, I'm gonna stay at the inn where everyone has southern accents for some reason.



Apparently, in Final Fantasy VIII's world, you find Timber Maniacs in hotel room nightstands instead of bibles.


Oh, for sure.


Next time: sidequests!

Cool Ghost fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Feb 22, 2016

Vil
Sep 10, 2011

If you blow up X-ATM092 yourself (vs. having Quistis do it for you), the only difference in Dollet is that there's no pile of rubble on the beach. If it were there, the girl (and the grandpa, when he's there) would be sitting with their backs to it. Otherwise, the guy's car gets smashed and the other guy whines about the expenses caused by it tromping through the streets, even if you blow it up before it gets to town. I expect the game just treats blowing it up yourself as blowing it up yourself at the last minute (which would be just outside of the pub).

Thing to try: Keep talking to the person on the left side of the first floor of the pub, the one looking for rich men.

Another thing to try: Keep trying to head towards the communication tower.

ArchWizard
Mar 27, 2009

There's the Roy I know and love.


I was disappointed to learn the dog wasn't the one drawing bones on the old man's paintings :shittydog:

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
I knew this game was weird, but I didn't know there is apparently a card game slavery ring that ends in marriage.

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.
My pet theory is that the pub owner's daughter is Selphie.

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

:kimchi: Tater Love :kimchi:
Man there is some weird poo poo in this game that I never knew about

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ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Vil posted:

Thing to try: Keep talking to the person on the left side of the first floor of the pub, the one looking for rich men.

Yes, that is rather memorable, isn't it?

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