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Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard


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big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

This guy has some interesting opinions.



He's not wrong, the problem is that is still a million times better than what SC has right now.

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





neonbregna posted:

I need a smart dog that is lazy but really likes to play fetch.

Yeah I wouldn't necessarily call aussies lazy. Their energy level is pretty manageable though, I think.

Decrepus
May 21, 2008

In the end, his dominion did not touch a single poster.


Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

This guy has some interesting opinions.



Same but I also hosed his mom.

darkarchon
Feb 2, 2016

My name is a trolling word
http://www.pcgamesn.com/elite-dange...ot-and-crafting

On an unrelated note, this is kinda more open development than SC has to offer right now.

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015


He forgot birds.

Brazilianpeanutwar
Aug 27, 2015

Spent my walletfull, on a jpeg, desolate, will croberts make a whale of me yet?

Decrepus posted:

Same but I also hosed his mom.

His mum is his dad though......

Romes128
Dec 28, 2008


Fun Shoe

Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

His mum is his dad though......

Pls don't kink shame

Or you'll be sent to the stimpire

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

darkarchon posted:

http://www.pcgamesn.com/elite-dange...ot-and-crafting

On an unrelated note, this is kinda more open development than SC has to offer right now.

Eh, whatever. We've got Sean working on EVA poo poo. Or maybe he isn't. Maybe he got bored and is doing something else. We won't know until they ship out the next patch on an unknown date containing unknown content.

It's obvious the article's author knows nothing of openness.

Berious
Nov 13, 2005

darkarchon posted:

http://www.pcgamesn.com/elite-dange...ot-and-crafting

On an unrelated note, this is kinda more open development than SC has to offer right now.

quote:

There'll be three further expansions following The Engineers as part of 2016's Horizons season pass. These will add passengers, in-game avatar customisation, large vessels holding fighters within them, and more before the year's out.

No mixmaster drinks mixing minigame? Throw that game in the trash where it belongs.

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

quote:

I've known these people for years, and in some cases, decades. They're reasonable, rational people that I've played thousands of hours of other games with. They share many of my interests, including space sims... but for whatever reason, they just can't click with Star Citizen.

Mmmm, I wonder what the reason could be.

quote:

Is it because of my experiences with Wing Commander? Have they become jaded and cynical over the years due to constant letdowns by big publishers? Is the design of Star Citizen so ambitious that they simply can't believe it can be done? Have we become so used to the baby steps that consoles have made the norm, that we no longer believe it is possible to leap ahead?

There seems to be one reason missing from there.

Booblord Zagats
Oct 30, 2011


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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

This guy has some interesting opinions.



Honestly I do agree with this guy a bit. Elite is an amazingly engineered game and a wonderful proof of concept, but it suffers from the issues EVE did the first few years

Not enough ships, you always feel alone and there's not much to do if you can't make your own fun

Also, Star Marine LARPers are already a thing

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
Let's play another well-designed game.

http://www.sporcle.com/games/Sinclaire/star-citizen-star-systems

Pick the correct 92 SC systems without making a single mistake. Ready? Go!


quote:

This is freakin' awesome. Aside from never having seen this website, you've done an excellent job at creating a well thought out quiz. It's not just random words, it's Star Citizen words and I saw some other science fiction in there that threw me off as well!

I see you ship manufacturer quiz and that is just as good. I even got stumped for a second because I forgot that Crusader manufactured the Genesis, not that Genesis manufactured that Starliner.

Obligatory "give me more."

Brazilianpeanutwar
Aug 27, 2015

Spent my walletfull, on a jpeg, desolate, will croberts make a whale of me yet?

Romes128 posted:

Pls don't kink shame

Or you'll be sent to the stimpire

You do get it though right? I'm so confused haha.

anyway this guy is really easily pleased.

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Beexoffel
Oct 4, 2015

Herald of the Stimpire

1500 posted:

The mods for that thread have a real hard on for SC, so they close the thread when ever it gets to critical of SC.

Has Nowak ever been identified as one of the usual white knights?
At the time, I was quite bewildered how he dodged any fact with avoiding or distraction.

Daztek
Jun 2, 2006



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stKu5A2Jw-0

:stare:

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

quote:

Have we become so used to the baby steps that consoles have made the norm, that we no longer believe it is possible to leap ahead

<continues modifying four-year-old engine>

Ash1138
Sep 29, 2001

Get up, chief. We're just gettin' started.

Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

This guy has some interesting opinions.


I'm pretty sure that he doesn't have a clue what he means by "persistency."

Shitizens really seem to hang their hat on being able to get out of their ship and walk around even though they're likely to leave their ship when they don't expect to, walking around can result in clipping through the floor and back out into space, and their ship might disappear or fall apart before they can even get back in it.

But sure, keep raging about Elite because video game tribalism.

darkarchon
Feb 2, 2016

My name is a trolling word


Unfortunately, this video is not available in your country because it could contain music from SME, for which we could not agree on conditions of use with GEMA.

:(

Scruffpuff
Dec 23, 2015

Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

trucutru posted:

Mmmm, I wonder what the reason could be.


There seems to be one reason missing from there.

All the "reasons" he lists all do one thing very well - they passive-aggressively paint himself as a "visionary" and his friends as somehow blind. The gods of irony have been taking a well-deserved vacation during Star Citizen's development, apparently.

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

You do get it though right? I'm so confused haha.

anyway this guy is really easily pleased.



Easy to be alone when only 15 others are busy ramming each other off the landing pad in the verse.

I'm surprised someone hasn't come up with some Matt Damon reference of being stranded on Mars.

Ah, 8 minutes until ATV. This train wreck keeps on giving.

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard




Solarin
Nov 15, 2007

darkarchon posted:

So after everything I wanted to share my StarCitizen story. Or timeline. Or whatever, this will be a low effort post really.

---

It all began a long time ago in a galaxy far away… when Chris Roberts announced StarCitizen on Kickstarter. gently caress the timeline really but guess it started there.

I took a look. Wow, it looked quite good for the time. Everything sounded too good to be true as well. Hmm. Well, let's wait somewhat. Time passes. More thinking… StarCitizen, the name sounds awful. It's CryEngine 3? They won't ever be able to pull that off in a manner that they planned to do.

Hmm they are selling ships? Virtual ship goods with silly names as the backer levels like "High Admiral" or "Freelancer"? Man that's awful. They also sell "citizen cards" for some levels so you can identify as a StarCitizen…? Jeez, what a hack. Why would anyone do that?

I'm a PC game? Alrighty then, well it could end up good or so idk whatever. Demos look promising somewhat. Did not back. Started out as a skeptic about the whole project, especially given how much they have raised in the whole timeframe of the Kickstarter. Wow what a blastoff. What a scam - I thought subconsciously.

Months pass, I lost track a little bit. Wait, they are still selling ships and raising funds, promising more and more with every stretchgoal? Pets? Oh boy. Man whatever, I don't want to get invested. Few friends have, they feel greatly immersed and Chris' will be the savior of PC gaming.

More time passes, they release the Hangar module. Wew, you can walk around in your hangar, looking at the virtual spaceships you bought - sometimes. If your ship is already hangar-ready. Ships look good, hangar looks ok-ish. All in all, looks promising, but I still expect them to not deliver anything, especially since there was zero gameplay at all. Losing track here, ignoring the project and still debating it with my friends telling them that this won't ever get released. Get looked down upon by them, given this will be the BDSSE.

At some point start work for a company, learn to know colleagues, some game. More time passes. They decide to join StarCitizen given that meanwhile Arena Commander in an early version was released. They talk all the time about the game and ships, dreams and hopes and what they will be able to do. Ship sales increase. Colleagues and friends get invested even more.

End of 2014, I jump the ship to better understand what the gently caress everyone is really so much raving about. Good time to join, I thought. Arena Commander 1.0 gets released. Bought into an Aurora LN. poo poo. Can't fly it since it's not ingame, have to fly with an MR loaner. That ship sucks. Played some hours, looked good, started seriously tracking what StarCitizen is about and what happens. Thought to myself "even if it doesn't ever get released, $50 is not much money" - Yeah I hate myself for that thought now. Arena Commander did not get much patches ongoing, development has apparently ceased kinda. Still, got a free AMD code from a friend since I helped them out, upgraded my Aurora ship to a Hornet because the Aurora is a flying piece of junk.

StarMarine got announced and showed off. Exciting. Looked at the videos, looked bland and boring, started to get skeptical again. Colleagues still argue against me - plan a lot, they bought Orions with their Org and all that poo poo. gently caress that. StarMarine gets delayed, nothing happens. Arena Commander is still the same buggy mess that it was at the end of 2014. loving boring, man where is the open development? AtV and RtV, everything is boring poo poo talking about poo poo and no interesting news at all. Starting following the hype truck on reddit, spreading words of dissent and anger against the project, while trying to stay reasonable - ha - I know, good joke.

Pretty pissed about the whole development by that point. Nothing happens, everyone is hyped, gently caress. Where is the deliverance?! At some point a giant leak explodes with tons of assets. Skeptic increases. StarMarine again got delayed. Colleagues still argue for the game. Derek Smarts starts appearing out of nowhere.

gently caress. That guy is an rear end in a top hat, but he did some pretty good points. Much stuff gets uncovered and as a part-time developer I can feel most of the issues there and don't see no end to the story. Start following Smart since he appears to be the voice of reason in the sea of whales. Colleagues read some articles of his but disregard them because of his aggressive nature against the game and the people, especially since he didn't release anything noteworthy. Eh, whatever. Not my problem.

StarMarine gets delayed again, they are hyping for the "Baby PU", teasing it at PAX and whatever. Doesn't look that exciting but eh, I'll take it. Maybe. Smart increases aggressiveness, I'm excited about what will happen next.

November '15, finally stopped loving around and requested my refund. Didn't hear anything from them until late December, refund got denied. "Baby PU" releases. Nothing "P" and nothing "U" about that whole mess. Just a giant Arena Commander free flight map with ship spawning. Ugh. Broken, buggy mess with less content than a 50¢ flash game. gently caress. Sudden realization I'm seriously hosed and can't get back out of this mess. Substantial part of the game, my rear end.

January '16. Discovered SA by accident. Started following this mess. Am now here. gently caress this poo poo.

So, long story short, didn't believe in the project at the start, got weak at some point, stopped being weak and started being pissed. End of story. :argh:

StarCitizen - the backers won't know

From pages ago but thanks for sharing. Having Shitizens preaching the good word to you in real life sounds like a true nightmare. The idea these people are paid shills (Lethality) or sophisticated bots (Octopode) is how I cling to sanity

Dusty Lens
Jul 1, 2015

All Glory unto the Stimpire. Give up your arms and legs and embrace the beautiful agony of electricity that doubles in pain every second.

The 5th stimpire is being built using our revised pipeline.

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Scruffpuff posted:

All the "reasons" he lists all do one thing very well - they passive-aggressively paint himself as a "visionary" and his friends as somehow blind. The gods of irony have been taking a well-deserved vacation during Star Citizen's development, apparently.

Don't forget the casual disses to big publishers and consoles. That dude has been properly indoctrinated by ADVENT

neonbregna
Aug 20, 2007

Booblord Zagats posted:

Honestly I do agree with this guy a bit. Elite is an amazingly engineered game and a wonderful proof of concept, but it suffers from the issues EVE did the first few years

Not enough ships, you always feel alone and there's not much to do if you can't make your own fun

Also, Star Marine LARPers are already a thing



Sperglord actual this is obeselord actual

Kilmers Elbow
Jun 15, 2012

Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

You do get it though right? I'm so confused haha.

anyway this guy is really easily pleased.



Star Citizen: Oh poo poo How Am I Going To Get Out Of Here?

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

Booblord Zagats posted:

Honestly I do agree with this guy a bit. Elite is an amazingly engineered game and a wonderful proof of concept, but it suffers from the issues EVE did the first few years

Not enough ships, you always feel alone and there's not much to do if you can't make your own fun

Also, Star Marine LARPers are already a thing



Is this for real

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

You do get it though right? I'm so confused haha.

anyway this guy is really easily pleased.



I believe the correct answer is shoot at them ineffectually then clip through the ship

Scruffpuff
Dec 23, 2015

Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

trucutru posted:

Don't forget the casual disses to big publishers and consoles. That dude has been properly indoctrinated by ADVENT

All these anti-establishment types always forget one thing: the establishment came into existence for a reason. I agree that greed and ineptitude can decay the original intent of what publishers should ideally be, but Star Citizen is a hell of a wakeup call for what happens when you lose that accountability.

Brazilianpeanutwar
Aug 27, 2015

Spent my walletfull, on a jpeg, desolate, will croberts make a whale of me yet?

Booblord Zagats posted:


Also, Star Marine LARPers are already a thing



That armour's not going to do much is it? -sigh-

Booblord Zagats
Oct 30, 2011


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Kimsemus posted:

Is this for real

It's a real picture, aside fromt hat, probably airsofters or bundy wannabes

Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

That armour's not going to do much is it? -sigh-
It's not armor, just a Tac-Vest. And it's doing plenty, and it's doing it heroically

Dusty Lens
Jul 1, 2015

All Glory unto the Stimpire. Give up your arms and legs and embrace the beautiful agony of electricity that doubles in pain every second.

Scruffpuff posted:

All these anti-establishment types always forget one thing: the establishment came into existence for a reason. I agree that greed and ineptitude can decay the original intent of what publishers should ideally be, but Star Citizen is a hell of a wakeup call for what happens when you lose that accountability.

Some of my favorite examples of this were found in some ancient SC reddit threads concerning Microsoft's compromise of CR's vision of Freelancer once they took the project over.

Another big publisher ruining a game that had collapsed into financial ruin and spiraling mismanaged failure in the name of releasing a game for money. Who will save us.

Scruffpuff
Dec 23, 2015

Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

That armour's not going to do much is it? -sigh-

The armor is the smallest target on his body.

"Aim for center mass!"
"But sir - it's ALL center mass!"

beep_boop
Feb 2, 2016

Beexoffel posted:

Thanks for this analysis. I can't add anything. It confirms my suspicion that this $75,000 per day is more than can be explained by just backers buying new ships for their collection.
I think everyone who wants certain ships has already bought them and I haven't seen any new concepts for a while. So who is buying ships they already own one or more of? There must be another source of money in that counter besides normal backers.

There's no way to know for sure without any sort of oversight. They fudged the numbers already during the last anniversary sale - and they're probably just making poo poo up now. Put your tin foil hat on, I kinda feel like they probably admitted to loving up their calculations so that it created a false sense of openness about it. The way I see it, if it's publicly visible that funding dried up, it'l cause any new potential tithers to be more cautious. After all, why would you tithe to the church of croberts if nobody else is doing it anymore?

Also, :yarg: PAAAARRRRRP

P.S. First post, am I doing it right?

Booblord Zagats
Oct 30, 2011


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beep_boop posted:

There's no way to know for sure without any sort of oversight. They fudged the numbers already during the last anniversary sale - and they're probably just making poo poo up now. Put your tin foil hat on, I kinda feel like they probably admitted to loving up their calculations so that it created a false sense of openness about it. The way I see it, if it's publicly visible that funding dried up, it'l cause any new potential tithers to be more cautious. After all, why would you tithe to the church of croberts if nobody else is doing it anymore?

Also, :yarg: PAAAARRRRRP

P.S. First post, am I doing it right?

Yeah, welcome to thew thread

:gary: :wom: :yarg:

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

trucutru posted:

Don't forget the casual disses to big publishers and consoles. That dude has been properly indoctrinated by ADVENT

I had been wondering where a lot of specific terms like that came from and then one day I read a Letter from the Chairman and it all clicked into place.

Chris Roberts posted:

  • Big publishers
  • PC wasn’t a viable platform
  • No corporate suits deciding what franchise to milk or license.
  • Big, bold game that doesn’t compromise
  • Build a game of the ambition and fidelity
  • All of this happens seamlessly without loading screens at a fidelity and scale that has not been seen before in any game.
  • Fidelity that we are aiming for
  • 2.0 shows the naysayers it can be done!
  • Feeling of immersion

Crazy_BlackParrot
Feb 1, 2016

Christ Roberts is way better than toilet lord...
:gary: :lesnick: :yarg:
:pgabz: :fuzzknot: :eonwe:
:wtchris:

beep_boop posted:

There's no way to know for sure without any sort of oversight. They fudged the numbers already during the last anniversary sale - and they're probably just making poo poo up now. Put your tin foil hat on, I kinda feel like they probably admitted to loving up their calculations so that it created a false sense of openness about it. The way I see it, if it's publicly visible that funding dried up, it'l cause any new potential tithers to be more cautious. After all, why would you tithe to the church of croberts if nobody else is doing it anymore?

Also, :yarg: PAAAARRRRRP

P.S. First post, am I doing it right?

From one new guy to another, welcome!
:gary:

darkarchon
Feb 2, 2016

My name is a trolling word

beep_boop posted:

P.S. First post, am I doing it right?

Did you buy platinum because of the platinum spoilers? They did contain some serious poo poo, yo.

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Kakarot
Jul 20, 2013

by zen death robot
Buglord
They're turning on her

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