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There are so many things to like about Chrono Cross, but it's still not good. It is very interesting, though.
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Feb 7, 2016 21:06
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FactsAreUseless posted:There are so many things to like about Chrono Cross, but it's still not good. It is very interesting, though. This is a pretty much perfect description of Chrono Cross, yeah.
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Feb 7, 2016 21:11
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoEMaWrQBQM Observation: the most emotionally charged moments in both CT and CC take place at Lucca's house. FactsAreUseless posted:There are so many things to like about Chrono Cross, but it's still not good. It is very interesting, though. I feel like a game being interesting is better than it being good. It's why I prefer MGS2 to 3. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Feb 7, 2016 |
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Feb 7, 2016 21:44
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Cross is probably like my third favorite JRPG on the PSX, I liked it a lot. A lot of it is nonsense but a lot of the set pieces are also pretty memorable IMO. It also looks and sounds gorgeous.
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Feb 7, 2016 21:51
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i knew i loved chrono cross despite any and all flaws when i walked into the big important end of act 1 dungeon and half of the music inside is a chill jazzy breakdown
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Feb 7, 2016 22:47
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Nate RFB posted:Cross is probably like my third favorite JRPG on the PSX, I liked it a lot. A lot of it is nonsense but a lot of the set pieces are also pretty memorable IMO. It also looks and sounds gorgeous. I appreciate that Chrono Cross NG+ lets you learn that the Dwarves who blame you for wiping them out would have, if given the chance, done the exact same thing to another species and still had the stones to blame you for it.
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Feb 7, 2016 22:52
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Chrono Cross is probably #1 on the list of games I'd like to have remade to be actually good. It's basically 2/3 of a game that never got finished, and it's blatantly obvious, to the point you can actually spot where the plot ran out and the infodumps begin. Legend of Mana is also aces and I wish its mechanics made even a lick of sense.
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Feb 7, 2016 23:16
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Legend of Mana's mechanics are so basic that there isn't a lot not to understand. Its crafting is another animal entirely, but everything else about it is pretty basic. A lot of it, like learning moves, just hides its math from the player, but isn't hard to deconstruct, at least on an approximate level. It also has a lot of "talky" missions with stupid conversation switches that you have to do in a very specific order, which makes me want to revisit it even less.
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Feb 7, 2016 23:20
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if you wanna talk mechanics, Unlimited Saga's mechanics are something else. I cant believe I actually finished it. It also had an absolutely amazing soundtrack. One of the best ive ever heard.
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Feb 7, 2016 23:53
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Rand Brittain posted:Chrono Cross is probably #1 on the list of games I'd like to have remade to be actually good. It's basically 2/3 of a game that never got finished, and it's blatantly obvious, to the point you can actually spot where the plot ran out and the infodumps begin.
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Feb 7, 2016 23:59
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Now now, Xenogears is a legit good game. The difference between it and Chrono Cross is that the final area of CC is three random ghost kids who stand around and explain everything. Why? What or who are they? Why is the fact Lynx was Serge's dad only revealed hours after he died and was no longer relevant? WHO KNOWS! Xenogears has problems but presentation is not one of them. Learning your dad was the villain is one of the coolest scenes in Xenogears. It wasn't just vomited at you by three random things that I think were the CT characters only not really. I like Cross but there is no defending that final stretch of the game. They weren't even trying. Although the music for freeing Schala and the good ending is really nice.
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Feb 8, 2016 00:17
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NikkolasKing posted:Xenogears has problems but presentation is not one of them. did you misplace disc 2? it's still an epic game though
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Feb 8, 2016 00:23
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NikkolasKing posted:I feel like a game being interesting is better than it being good. It's why I prefer MGS2 to 3.
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Feb 8, 2016 00:28
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NikkolasKing posted:Xenogears has problems but presentation is not one of them. Learning your dad was the villain is one of the coolest scenes in Xenogears. It wasn't just vomited at you by three random things that I think were the CT characters only not really. So what do you call the entire second disk?
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Feb 8, 2016 00:40
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Xenogears had an epic scale. Cross was about some islands you never saw during CT. Chrono Cross was miserably awful, y'all have some rose-colored glasses on right now. It doesn't even make top ten PSX JRPGs. Anyone defending it needs some Star Ocean 2, Grandia, or Threads of Fate in their life, STAT.
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Feb 8, 2016 00:48
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I can't stand Star Ocean 2, I'd take a thousand Chrono Crosses before playing that again.
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Feb 8, 2016 00:53
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Wasn't Chrono Cross the game about a giant space bug pulling a Paradise super computer back in time in a petty attempt to not die and then the planet responded by pulling out a living Draconic super computer god and the whole plot is about their multi dimensional time war and how this is all to stop time from breaking completely? Cross had issues but lacking a grand scale is not one of them.
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Feb 8, 2016 00:54
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I'm playing Star Ocean 2 and Chrono Cross right now. While they're both very bad games, Chrono Cross is easily much better. I feel like CC is at least trying. At least CC has the music and great atmospheric places like the Dead Sea and Chronopolis.
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Feb 8, 2016 00:55
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I like Chrono Cross, clusterfuck and all. Meanwhile I got suckered into playing Star Ocean 2 years and years ago after being told it was awesome and it was completely godawful, derivative poo poo which is only made bearable by how much you can break the game over your knee. It kind of reminds me of FF VIII in that regard.
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Feb 8, 2016 01:17
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Man, FFVIII is a lot of things but I don't know if I'd call it derivative of anything other than FFVII.
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Fun fact. Legend of Mana, Threads of Fate, and Chrono Cross all came out in a three month window, and if you prepurchased all three you got a free backpack. Summer of 2000 was a weird time to be a Square fan. Was Threads of Fate weird or memorable? I mean, with that kind of company I'd expect it to be a really charming and bizarre title, but I've never heard anything about it. Also now I really want Square to make a Summer of Adventure 2020 promo.
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Feb 8, 2016 01:26
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FactsAreUseless posted:Man, FFVIII is a lot of things but I don't know if I'd call it derivative of anything other than FFVII. I was meaning more that most of the fun I got from FF VIII was breaking it over my knee with the Junction mechanics and the only fun I had in SO 2 was breaking it over my knee with the item creation system. Though to be honest I'm a bit biased against FF VIII since I first played it as a dumb kid who didn't fully understand the Junctioning system so I probably give it a harsher rep than it deserves. But everything about SO 2 sucked and that it's considered the best in the series says something about the series to begin with.
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I loving love PS1-era gaming. It was the time where gaming had arrived but before it had become a Hollywood-style industry so no one had any clue what they were doing and you get all this crazy weird stuff done by people who have no idea how to handle their ever-increasing budgets. I love Chrono Cross and Xenogears and all those games, even if they're not necessarily good.
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Feb 8, 2016 01:30
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Artix posted:So what do you call the entire second disk? Disk 2 uses The Chair as a segue between playable parts. Basically they say "stuff happened" and then you play the game some more. You still get actual cutscenes and stuff for anything of importance. Some of the best moments in the game are on Disk 2. If Xenogears was like Chrono Cross, Grahf wouldn't have confronted us with a big awesome scene/battle showcasing how amazing the Xenogears is. He would have been defeated and then at the end of the final dungeon two hours later some random character would appear and say "oh and Grahf was your father Khan." That's what I meant about superior presentation. FactsAreUseless posted:MGS2 is my favorite too, but it's genuinely a good game. I think it's a good game too but in many ways I can't deny MGS3 was more competently put together. It's just that what was competently put together wasn't as interesting as what happened in MGS2, cut content and all. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Feb 8, 2016 |
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Feb 8, 2016 01:32
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xedo posted:Was Threads of Fate weird or memorable? I mean, with that kind of company I'd expect it to be a really charming and bizarre title, but I've never heard anything about it.
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Feb 8, 2016 01:36
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Xenogears was one of the worst big-budget games of its generation and its curse routinely plagues the series to this day.
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:Xenogears had an epic scale. Cross was about some islands you never saw during CT. But the soundtrack is amazing. Oxxidation posted:Xenogears was one of the worst big-budget games of its generation and its curse routinely plagues the series to this day. But the giant robots were amazing.
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Augus posted:But the soundtrack is amazing. Seconded.
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MonsieurChoc posted:I loving love PS1-era gaming. It was the time where gaming had arrived but before it had become a Hollywood-style industry so no one had any clue what they were doing and you get all this crazy weird stuff done by people who have no idea how to handle their ever-increasing budgets. We also got this in the PS2 era and it owned. A lot of silly vanity projects that were fun to see happen like the Bouncer or Kingdom Hearts, a lot of anime based games that still trying to figure out how games worked, just a ton of cool poo poo from those two eras.
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xedo posted:Summer of 2000 was a weird time to be a Square fan. Was Threads of Fate weird or memorable? I mean, with that kind of company I'd expect it to be a really charming and bizarre title, but I've never heard anything about it. Charming, definitely. It has the sort of character you expect out of a game that was released in that part of the era: a small handful of static NPCs with lots of things to say, but not quite enough time to say it in. You had two characters with two distinct storylines, multiple regions specific to each of them, completely different endings, and a post-credits epilogue scene that you unlock by finishing the game with both characters. Unfortunately, I guess because they had to split development between the two characters because the game feels really short. Gameplay-wise, it's easy to cheese. It can be frustrating if you can't figure out how to do it, though.
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Baal posted:We also got this in the PS2 era and it owned. A lot of silly vanity projects that were fun to see happen like the Bouncer or Kingdom Hearts, a lot of anime based games that still trying to figure out how games worked, just a ton of cool poo poo from those two eras. PS2 did give us Drakengard.
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Maybe because I never loving use my PS4 and have recently been going back to PS3 games I missed, but it still feels weird to me to have the PS2 being officially "old" with games being put up on PSN and stuff. 
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Chrono Cross is a great game except for the very end. It's just really avant-garde.
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Feb 8, 2016 02:09
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I also really love the setting of Chrono Cross: instead of a big JRPG world, you get to really explore one tiny corner of it, making it more detailed overall. A pacific archipelago is a pretty rare sight too.
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MonsieurChoc posted:PS2 did give us Drakengard. What a magical time for gamers
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Augus posted:But the soundtrack is amazing. The first line is about Cross but you can also say that about Xenogears. Mitsuda is amazing. I'm not really picky about my RPGs, to be frank. I'm hardly some master of the genre but I've played a decent aount of JRPGs and the only ones I consider terrible are Star Ocean: Till the End of Time and....that's pretty much it, actually. I can defend every other JRPG I've played, even if they are hosed up and terribly flawed like FFVIII, but SO3 is just beyond defense. I guess I can just find the good in most things. Yay me. Baal posted:We also got this in the PS2 era and it owned. A lot of silly vanity projects that were fun to see happen like the Bouncer or Kingdom Hearts, a lot of anime based games that still trying to figure out how games worked, just a ton of cool poo poo from those two eras. Not PS2 but since we are talking about Masato Kato games, he wrote Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean and I absolutely love that game. Also we were talking about games with great music so it's relevant for that, too.Oh and we were discussing FFXII's audio issues and BK has some of that, too. Everyone sounds like they are wearing fish bowls. But goddam I love that game.
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NikkolasKing posted:The first line is about Cross but you can also say that about Xenogears. Mitsuda is amazing. Star Ocean 4 was much much worse.
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Augus posted:But the soundtrack is amazing. Thirded!
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:Xenogears had an epic scale. Cross was about some islands you never saw during CT. i didn't play Chrono Cross until roughly 4 years ago, get bent
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