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Help Im Alive posted:There's a spot on the lightning plains where you can trigger a lightning bolt, so you can just keep dodging that same lightning strike over and over This is good enough for me, I'll have to look into it. Thanks!
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A Steampunk Gent posted:'Less than an hour' of doing something aggressively unfun to get half of one weapon is pretty awful imo. Fair enough if you've got the patience for it, but those minigames are why I didn't even bother trying to clear the postgame in FFX, you could probably beat a whole other game in the time it takes to get all the ultimate weapons and have alot more fun doing so It is not a fun mini game. There is no question about that. I found it more tolerable that getting Wakka's weapon though because that one takes so darn long and this is coming from someone who enjoys Blitzball well enough at least.
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Feb 9, 2016 19:54
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maybe... you don't need the ultimate weapons, in final fantasy 10
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Feb 9, 2016 19:55
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Endorph posted:maybe... you don't need the ultimate weapons, in final fantasy 10 But the trophies
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Feb 9, 2016 19:55
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Endorph posted:maybe... you don't need the ultimate weapons, in final fantasy 10 If you want to beat all the lovely secret bosses in FFX International you want them ...Well that is if you don't just want to Zanmato things which is honestly more fun and cathartic.
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Feb 9, 2016 20:26
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Baal posted:...Well that is if you don't just want to Zanmato things which is honestly more fun and cathartic. Other than grinding it up, Zanmato is hardly even playing the game. It is more like a tool used just to check something off of your FFX list. Call me crazy but I'd rather go for the ultimate weapons.
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Feb 9, 2016 20:57
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They're both boring. FFX has some of the worst side content in the series, I had a lot more fun not breaking everything and actually having a challenge with the main story instead of doing a bunch of dumb grindy bullshit.
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Feb 9, 2016 20:59
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I'd agree, I even did get a fair amount of te ultimate weapons. It's a really awful way to pad out content.
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Feb 9, 2016 21:02
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IZJS is really fun. I actually like FF12 this time around. Vaan is still a dumb lovely character.
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Feb 9, 2016 21:04
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You can actually do everything up to Omega Weapon in normal gear and it's a pretty decent little endgame experience in itself. The Dark Aeons and Monster Arena are a joke though, probably a lowpoint in the mainline series for hideously awful bullshit fights
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Feb 9, 2016 21:06
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I have mixed feelings about the Monster Arena fights. Some of them are insanely boring slogs while others leave more to the strategic imagination in a good way. Monster hunting can really suck though because they decided to make the requirement 10 of each monster despite the fact that some monsters are much more rare to encounter than others. It would have been better if the rare monsters only required 5 captures instead of 10.
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Feb 9, 2016 21:09
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I'm playing the FFX HD and I had forgotten how much I enjoyed playing it at release. I think the internet opinion just sort of ground down my memories of the game. I also forgot how much of a dick punch the bosses can be. That first fight with Seymour is rough, especially if you forget it's coming and don't heal up after the Al Bhed fight.
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Feb 9, 2016 21:09
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Does the FFX/X-2 HD have the dark aeons and whatever other secret stuff was left out of the normal game?
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Feb 9, 2016 21:18
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RCarr posted:Does the FFX/X-2 HD have the dark aeons and whatever other secret stuff was left out of the normal game? Yeah
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Feb 9, 2016 21:21
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Drythe posted:IZJS is really fun. I actually like FF12 this time around. Vaan is still a dumb lovely character. Just remember the true story happens in cutscenes Vaan is not in. Help Im Alive posted:There's a spot on the lightning plains where you can trigger a lightning bolt, so you can just keep dodging that same lightning strike over and over Doesn't hold a candle to what you have to do for Wakka's weapon.
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Feb 9, 2016 21:23
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TommyGun85 posted:yes. Listening to the audio and ignoring the visual makes it much much easier. I for one have done all the mini games except the chocobo one. I cant for the life of me do it I would have traded you lightning dodging for chocobo crap. I hated lightning dodging so much that the only thing that kept me at it was fantasizing about punching the dev team. On the other hand, I did all the chocobo stuff within 30 minutes, twice. I feel like every FFX minigame is a special brand of terrible meant to kill the completionist within.
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Feb 9, 2016 21:52
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Cool, I never got to experience any of that. Is it worth doing?
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bloodychill posted:I would have traded you lightning dodging for chocobo crap. I hated lightning dodging so much that the only thing that kept me at it was fantasizing about punching the dev team. On the other hand, I did all the chocobo stuff within 30 minutes, twice. Yeah, as BS as the chocobo race can be, it at least as some semblance of strategy and skill associated with it. Dodging lightning is nothing but a game of patience, split second single button press reaction timing, and a huge tolerance for allowing your eyeballs to dry out since blinking at the wrong moment can literally cause you to start over. RCarr posted:Cool, I never got to experience any of that. Is it worth doing? Dark Aeons and especially the expert sphere grid are well worth it.
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Feb 9, 2016 21:56
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I have yet to see someone fight the Dark Aeons without having maxed stats, auto-Phoenix, and just spamming quick hit the whole time. Not a very thrilling way to fight, I'd imagine.
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Feb 9, 2016 22:20
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They're really lovely boss fights and I'm happy their assets were folded into X-2 where they were actual boss fights
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Feb 9, 2016 22:44
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Most mega boss fights throughout the Final Fantasy series are pretty repetitive and easy once you know what to do and how to prepare for them ahead of time. The Dark Aeons are no different.
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Feb 9, 2016 23:14
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FFX's postgame content has some great and terrible stuff all jumbled together. I loved the Aeon duels with Belgamine and I dug the optional dungeons a lot. Capturing monsters was fun and I really liked the idea of the Original Creations. It's just that you will hit a point where you need to do some major grinding to fill out your sphere grid to be even capable of hitting half of these mega bosses and the time required to do that simply invalidates the fun in doing it. The fights themselves sometimes have interesting gimmicks, but never enough to warrant the sheer effort required to experience them.
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Feb 9, 2016 23:28
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Yeah, it's a mixed bag. The aeon gauntlet is pretty cool and some of the monster arena bosses are interesting. They would have been better if they lowered their HP but added more enemies to each battle so that you had to deal with interesting configurations, not just one boss after another. The cactuar minigame is sorta fun and silly if pretty tough. Some of the dark aeons are ok, some of them can go to hell. And so can the the 99 sphere item/99 sphere level limit and the sheer amount of time it takes to fill out even a single party member sphere grid. I think even if you didn't have to constantly stock up spheres and sphere levels, it would take around an hour to fill them all in mindless fashion.
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Feb 10, 2016 00:13
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Tenzarin posted:Just remember the true story happens in cutscenes Vaan is not in. You clearly weren't paying any attention to the game.
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Feb 10, 2016 00:17
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idk why people hate vaan so much
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Feb 10, 2016 00:19
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Endorph posted:idk why people hate vaan so much He wants to be a sky pirate!
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it's like 10% of the way into the game before he admits that that was just him fantasizing about escaping his lovely situation and that he doesn't really want to do that. the sequel ignores this, but
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He was tolerable at the end of the game after a character arc. Mostly you spend the first ten hours wishing you knew more about Basch, Balthier, and Ashe. Honestly, any of them would have made a fine protagonist.
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Endorph posted:it's like 10% of the way into the game before he admits that that was just him fantasizing about escaping his lovely situation and that he doesn't really want to do that. I never got the impression he didn't really want to be a sky pirate, but that the dream was more about freedom than anything else. And he's not really a "pirate" sort, since he's so nice and poo poo. I liked Vaan in the sequel. In fact, I liked the sequel quite a lot, it was a great expansion of the world of Ivalice.
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The FF12-3 game that almost was. quote:During development, Square Enix did not pay Grin over several months, and disapproved of the game's Nordic art style. Grin worked to bring the game's art style closer to the Final Fantasy series, but after six months of development was told that no funding would ever come from Square Enix, and the developer filed for bankruptcy several days later. R.I.P. Oh poo poo this company was doomed! quote:In 2009, Grin released Terminator Salvation, Wanted: Weapons of Fate, and Bionic Commando Haha! quote:In response, Grin sent Square Enix an image of one of the latter's own games, Final Fantasy XII, and were told that it does not look like a game in Final Fantasy's style. Square-enix destroying a company on the other side of the world. Tenzarin fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Feb 10, 2016 |
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Tenzarin posted:The FF12-3 game that almost was. Fortress sounded fun as hell.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:I never got the impression he didn't really want to be a sky pirate, but that the dream was more about freedom than anything else. And he's not really a "pirate" sort, since he's so nice and poo poo. He flat out says that he doesn't have any desire to be a Sky Pirate "I would say "I wanna be a sky pirate" or something stupid like that, just to get my mind off it. I felt hollow, and alone, and then I missed my brother." The funniest thing for me is whenever anyone says "Why is he even with the group" and he flat out has a scene where he explains his reasoning for being with the group, that he hopes that by following Ashe he'll find purpose. Not to mention this was directly built towards, since the other characters did keep asking him why he remained. It seems people remembered them asking him why he remained and took it as more a shot from the writers, rather than a build up to the rather arrogant and childish protagonist revealing that he really doesn't have anything else, and he's looking for something else in life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8miNDMnaLA&t=756s Basically people forget Jahara exists.
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Probably wouldn't mind Vaan more if his outfit wasn't so horrible to look at. Why couldn't he been the one who died in the intro and his brother was the main character instead. At least he wore knight armor.
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Rirse posted:Probably wouldn't mind Vaan more if his outfit wasn't so horrible to look at. Why couldn't he been the one who died in the intro and his brother was the main character instead. At least he wore knight armor. Armor with his belly completely exposed.  Also booty shorts. He's basically Kuja.
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Feb 10, 2016 00:44
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Vaan isn't an all time great character but he's not the reason 12 is boring
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I completely forgot that Chaos Wars dub existed. That's great. Shizuku's great.
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Onmi posted:Armor with his belly completely exposed. I thought he wore a full plate armor. Then again, it been years since I played XII so I forgot that detail.
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Rirse posted:I thought he wore a full plate armor. Then again, it been years since I played XII so I forgot that detail. No no you're thinking of Basch. Also holy gently caress I just looked up the plot details for "Fortress" quote:Basch was to be the main protagonist for the cancelled Final Fantasy XII spin-off sequel game where he would have defended Ivalice and Ashe from a marine army seeking to take over the land. He would have had a small romance with her, but it would not have worked out, and the two would have drifted apart by the game's end. Basch would have been one of the only people in Ivalice to believe the legends of an old sea king who tries to invade Ivalice every 10,000 years, and would have traveled to the uncharted territories to defend a magickal fortress, the structure standing between Ivalice and the sea the marine forces would try to overtake. He would have been joined by his old allies from Final Fantasy XII, as well as Larsa and other Archadian Judges. Only his closest friends would have been aware of his true identity, most others calling him "Judge Gabranth". Bolding the only part that doesn't sound cool.
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Onmi posted:No no you're thinking of Basch. Haha, I must have skimmed that initially. By the end of XII, you'd write that as Vaan I assume. Or did I read the game wrong? It's been years.
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:Haha, I must have skimmed that initially. By the end of XII, you'd write that as Vaan I assume. Or did I read the game wrong? It's been years. I'm... slightly confused about what you're asking here.
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