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Practical Demon posted:NC-17 ratings pretty much only go to foreign films in limited release and rarely to an independent film with a stubborn director who refuses to cut it for the MPAA. No studio is going to allow a film to get that rating, after the incident Scarf mentioned with Showgirls. Hell, majority of films in the last couple decades have been cut to avoid Rs, and it's only recently that producers have remembered that those movies can actually make money. Judd Appatow proved a while ago R comedies still work. Now, Deadpool is going to usher in a new wave of R action films, as well. Though they'll all probably have very unfortunate attempts at fourth wall breaking humor shoved in. I've heard the MPAA uses NC-17 as a kind of blackmail since many theaters refuse to show a film like that outright. Censor your film, or you'll barely make a dime off it because almost nobody will show it. This Film is Not Yet Rated (which, not ironically was gonna get an NC-17 rating from the MPAA) talked about all the double standards and inconsistencies they had about rating films. They're not objective in the least.
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I remember an anecdote about a director, Kubrik maybe, who sent in the film to be rated and it was rejected with a list of poo poo they wanted changed. He then sent in the exact same cut which passed with no problem.
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EL BROMANCE posted:Melissa McCarthy is cool and funny and her being in movies like Spy is a good thing, as it means she's not in painfully written TV shows.
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Nutsngum posted:I remember an anecdote about a director, Kubrik maybe, who sent in the film to be rated and it was rejected with a list of poo poo they wanted changed. He then sent in the exact same cut which passed with no problem. I remember in the commentary for Scarface they said that they sent the original cut and it got rated X, so they kept cutting it and kept getting X. Finally they argued their most recent cut is absolutely no worse than any other R movie at the time and so they conceded and gave it an R. Then they argued that if their most cut version can get an R but originally got an X than the original cut they submitted should also be R, and somehow that logic worked. It's lead to a misunderstanding that the version we got is heavily cut down but it was just the original cut resubmitted.
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Panfilo posted:I've heard the MPAA uses NC-17 as a kind of blackmail since many theaters refuse to show a film like that outright. Censor your film, or you'll barely make a dime off it because almost nobody will show it. This Film is Not Yet Rated (which, not ironically was gonna get an NC-17 rating from the MPAA) talked about all the double standards and inconsistencies they had about rating films. They're not objective in the least. Tina Fey has mentioned that the MPAA wanted to give Mean Girls an R rating based on the line, "Somebody wrote in that book that I'm lying about being a virgin, 'cause I use super-jumbo tampons, but I can't help it if I've got a heavy flow and a wide-set vagina!" She had to go in and argue that in Anchorman, which had just come out if I'm remembering correctly, featured Ron Burgundy with a full-on raging boner and was only PG-13...but a teenage girl talking about her vagina in a non-sexual manner was apparently too much? They relented and gave it PG-13 in the end. I can't think of the name of the movie, but there was a movie a couple years back (a romcom or something) that was your normal PG-13 fare except for the fact that it had two openly gay characters that were obviously together...so it was given an R rating. No sex or anything. Just gays. Also, I think they wanted to give Blue Valentine an NC-17 rating for the cunnilingus scene despite the fact that you see blow jobs in R movies all the time. Some of this stuff is actually kind of fascinating.
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What the gently caress is wrong with America? Theatres won't carry movies rated NC-17? When movies or games are given the highest (non-pornographic) rating here in the UK no one gives a poo poo. Maybe we have the right idea making ratings legally binding. If I sell a 15 rated movie to sone one under 15 I risk a £5000 fine and up to six months in prison, plus I'd probably be fired because my store would get punished too.
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Veotax posted:What the gently caress is wrong with America? Theatres won't carry movies rated NC-17? When movies or games are given the highest (non-pornographic) rating here in the UK no one gives a poo poo. You exile all your religious fanatics here then you complain when we act puritanical. See also: australia.
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Personally I'd rather live in America than on the bad teeth isle where everyone with power/money puts their dick in a kid or a pig.
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Veotax posted:What the gently caress is wrong with America? Theatres won't carry movies rated NC-17? When movies or games are given the highest (non-pornographic) rating here in the UK no one gives a poo poo. PG-13 are often the most profitable because a wide variety of audiences can go. Teens are probably less likely to go see a 'G' rated movie on their own, and grown rear end adults don't want to hear some whining toddler when watching Deadpool. But in a PG-13 movie you can get all those people together, which means more sales.
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I don't know if many theaters specifically don't carry NC-17 movies on moral grounds. It's just that they have a limited number of screens, and want to give them to things that will make money. As a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy, NC-17 movies never make money, so they're not given screens unless it's an arthouse theater. The MPAA is a group of old, conservative, moralizing fucks that no one wants to deal with, but theaters will likewise just not run films without a rating, so everyone goes to them because it's just easier.
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Feb 16, 2016 21:06
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Meanwhile, the British government has signed an agreement to tell mine every time Veotax touches his weiner (mornings and afternoons when the elementary school kids line up for the bus stop across the street from him), while my weiner touchings go gloriously unmonitored as an American citizen.
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Veotax posted:What the gently caress is wrong with America? Theatres won't carry movies rated NC-17? When movies or games are given the highest (non-pornographic) rating here in the UK no one gives a poo poo. But the pornographic rating is a big deal?
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Happy Landfill posted:Tina Fey has mentioned that the MPAA wanted to give Mean Girls an R rating based on the line, "Somebody wrote in that book that I'm lying about being a virgin, 'cause I use super-jumbo tampons, but I can't help it if I've got a heavy flow and a wide-set vagina!" She had to go in and argue that in Anchorman, which had just come out if I'm remembering correctly, featured Ron Burgundy with a full-on raging boner and was only PG-13...but a teenage girl talking about her vagina in a non-sexual manner was apparently too much? They relented and gave it PG-13 in the end. This Film Is Not Yet Rated had a couple of good examples of this. -A documentary about the Iraq War, which (I may be misremembering) was critical of why we were there/effects on soldiers, etc. The filmmaker had wanted to make it available for students to see but because you hear some potty language from soldiers they made it NC-17. -An interracial sex scene gets a stricter rating than if both people were white. -Implied oral sex on a woman gets a stricter rating than implied oral sex on a man. (Oh, duh, you just mentioned this :smack: ) Surprise surprise, the MPAA panel consisted of stuffy baby boomers. While it varied between the people that did/did not have kids, there weren't any people of color or gay people. It is pretty clear the MPAA is looking through the lens of the whitest, conservative America. Blockbuster Video was also notorious for not showing anything harder than a 'R' rating, so a lot of films got edited down to R (the R version of Showgirls, for example). Back when the VHS rental market was big, this could be a big problem if you couldn't/didn't want to bust your film down to an R rating- not only were you nudged out of most theaters, but you were also nudged out of some of the larger video rental chains as well. I think with streaming videos, the chokehold the MPAA has probably lessened though. The popularity of 'unrated' versions of films is a good testament to this. And if you watch many of the unrated versions, you can share in the disappointment of how petty and strict the MPAA can be; much of the extra content is rarely any more racy/gory than the final edited movie.
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Please note that while the NSA does collect metadata about my weiner touchings, that means nothing because I have pornography on constantly. Never have to repeat any pornographic videos though, because America is the #1 producer of pornography in the world, we just understand that you should keep that poo poo out of the reach of children, unlike in England where you put it in theaters to make the kids better lays.
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Feb 16, 2016 21:23
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Hell, in America most Walmarts (maybe still all?) refuse to carry unedited CDs. Like, you can get your violent video games and movies but god forbid someone buy music that says "gently caress" a few times.
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Fried Watermelon posted:we are just babies when women cover their faces Hey, that's because Canadian's hate brown people, not because Canadian's hate women.
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CherryCola posted:
Congratulations CherryCola, this just popped up on my facebook feed. You've gone viral. Panfilo posted:Blockbuster Video was also notorious for not showing anything harder than a 'R' rating, so a lot of films got edited down to R (the R version of Showgirls, for example). Back when the VHS rental market was big, this could be a big problem if you couldn't/didn't want to bust your film down to an R rating- not only were you nudged out of most theaters, but you were also nudged out of some of the larger video rental chains as well. Blockbuster and Hollywood Video would edit their more extreme films and then call them the "unrated" version when there was explicit sex on screen. Like I've heard the butter scene in Last Tango In Paris has a lamp superimposed over stuff, and I had rented Cronenberg's Crash and wondered what all the hubbub over the sex scenes were until years later when I saw the actual film on IFC...
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Happy Landfill posted:Tina Fey has mentioned that the MPAA wanted to give Mean Girls an R rating based on the line, "Somebody wrote in that book that I'm lying about being a virgin, 'cause I use super-jumbo tampons, but I can't help it if I've got a heavy flow and a wide-set vagina!" She had to go in and argue that in Anchorman, which had just come out if I'm remembering correctly, featured Ron Burgundy with a full-on raging boner and was only PG-13...but a teenage girl talking about her vagina in a non-sexual manner was apparently too much? They relented and gave it PG-13 in the end. They cut the line completely when I saw it aired on Comedy Central. Tim Meadows asks if any girls have a problem they want to talk about, and then immediately says "Yeah I can't do this." I can't make heads or tails of what Comedy Central bleeps when. Dr Christmas has a new favorite as of 21:51 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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Choco1980 posted:Congratulations CherryCola, this just popped up on my facebook feed. You've gone viral. Wasn't there some controversy over the legality of editing films like this?
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Dr Christmas posted:They cut the line completely when I saw it aired on Comedy Central. Tim Meadows asks if any girls have a problem they want to talk about, and then immediately says "Yeah I can't do this." I can't make heads or tails of what Comedy Central bleeps when. The first few times I saw that movie was on Comedy Central so that line took me by surprise when I first saw on DVD...which doesn't make any sense given the stuff that CC shows . I mean seriously, Drawn Together features a character with tentacles coming out of her vagina but, again, a girl merely mentioning her period and having a wide vagina is just too much for the edgiest channel on basic cable. I don't get it. Other than sexism but it's apparently very frowned upon to pull that card. As an aside, as a lady I find that line to be super funny 
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Happy Landfill posted:The first few times I saw that movie was on Comedy Central so that line took me by surprise when I first saw on DVD...which doesn't make any sense given the stuff that CC shows . I mean seriously, Drawn Together features a character with tentacles coming out of her vagina but, again, a girl merely mentioning her period and having a wide vagina is just too much for the edgiest channel on basic cable. I don't get it. Other than sexism but it's apparently very frowned upon to pull that card. Men are made extremely uncomfortable by women's sexuality and sex organs. You can make a thousand dick jokes and nobody cares, but the second a period joke is made all the men squirm.
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Fashionable Jorts posted:Men are made extremely uncomfortable by women's sexuality and sex organs. You can make a thousand dick jokes and nobody cares, but the second a period joke is made all the men squirm. I'm male and that's why I think that vagina jokes are the best.
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I've noticed that and use it to my advantage frequently.  Edit: whoops meant to be a reply to Fashionable Jorts Happy Landfill has a new favorite as of 22:21 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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Chelsea Peretti has a great bit in her Netflix special about how if guy's bled out of their dicks we would hear about it non-stop.
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Practical Demon posted:The MPAA is a group of old, conservative, moralizing fucks And for those not from the states, this isn't just some insult, it's the literal truth. The MPAA is not a state agency, there are no laws related to the objectivity of ratings, the members of the MPAA aren't just not voted/publicly vetted bet they try to stay completely secret, the actual rating requirements are completely arbitrary and not publicly disclosed, a film's rating is a black box that requires trial/error if you are trying to get a specific rating, and as the sexism/gay/agenda examples show the ratings aren't even consistent
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Doesn't work on me, I'm comfortable with female sexuality, try again feminazis 
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Sooooo that picture I posted is now on the front page of imgur and not posted by me. I sure hope my cousin doesn't visit imgur!!
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Congrats! Now you're internet famous! I mean, at least you blocked out her name?
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Happy Landfill posted:Congrats! Now you're internet famous! Now I'm wishing I would have blocked out my face. Already had two friends point it out to me.
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flosofl posted:gently caress you. I just find it bizarre anyone would think such a thing wasn't a big PTSD-inducing deal. Even stress charts from the 1950s put "death of spouse" as the absolute worst thing on the scale, and the next few entries at the top were family deaths.
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Boywhiz88 posted:Chelsea Peretti has a great bit in her Netflix special about how if guy's bled out of their dicks we would hear about it non-stop. Pretty sure female stand up has had that joke in its repertoire for at least 30 years, probably 40 and maybe 50. In fact, I think that joke was originally in the vagina monologues.
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Nutsngum posted:I remember an anecdote about a director, Kubrik maybe, who sent in the film to be rated and it was rejected with a list of poo poo they wanted changed. He then sent in the exact same cut which passed with no problem. I remember hearing that when Parker and Stone were doing the South Park movie, their policy was to replace any rejection with something worse, which almost always went through. They couldn't call the film 'South Park: All Hell Breaks Loose' because they couldn't use the word 'Hell', but 'Bigger, Longer and Uncut' was totally fine. The puppet sex scene from Team America was also a decoy, as I recall. They knew the ratings board would be so up in arms about that they'd overlook the rest of the movie.
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Is there an already existing thread about the MPAA? This is all pretty interesting.
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Cleretic posted:I remember hearing that when Parker and Stone were doing the South Park movie, their policy was to replace any rejection with something worse, which almost always went through. They couldn't call the film 'South Park: All Hell Breaks Loose' because they couldn't use the word 'Hell', but 'Bigger, Longer and Uncut' was totally fine. The "Bigger, Longer and Uncut" joke didn't get caught until the promotional stuff was already being distributed and it was far too late iirc. Puppet sex scene is alarmingly funny to watch.
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Cleretic posted:I remember hearing that when Parker and Stone were doing the South Park movie, their policy was to replace any rejection with something worse, which almost always went through. They couldn't call the film 'South Park: All Hell Breaks Loose' because they couldn't use the word 'Hell', but 'Bigger, Longer and Uncut' was totally fine. I can't remember the exact example but there's been a few times something really gross was thrown in as a decoy only to be completely ignored and left in. There's a great scene in the making of the human centipad episode where someone is on the phone determining what they can get away with. "What if we don't show any feces but imply it's going directly into the boy's mouth?"
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Sentient Data posted:And for those not from the states, this isn't just some insult, it's the literal truth. The MPAA is not a state agency, there are no laws related to the objectivity of ratings, the members of the MPAA aren't just not voted/publicly vetted bet they try to stay completely secret, the actual rating requirements are completely arbitrary and not publicly disclosed, a film's rating is a black box that requires trial/error if you are trying to get a specific rating, and as the sexism/gay/agenda examples show the ratings aren't even consistent Having it be official is actually worse. The Australian Classification Board is a government organisation, and they can refuse to rate media, which means you just can't sell it in Australia. And they're just as dumb and arbitrary as the MPAA. It was worse for video games than movies because video games had no R18+ rating, but even after they added one (in 2013) there are still games that get refused classification.
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The ACB and (by the sounds of it) the MPAA are both fuckers. Gee, it's almost as if people should be able to decide what's appropriate for themselves!  All having it government run does is make the biased bullshit legally binding.RareAcumen posted:Is there an already existing thread about the MPAA? This is all pretty interesting. Gotta second this request. AlphaKretin has a new favorite as of 04:17 on Feb 17, 2016 |
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Tiggum posted:Having it be official is actually worse. The Australian Classification Board is a government organisation, and they can refuse to rate media, which means you just can't sell it in Australia. And they're just as dumb and arbitrary as the MPAA. It was worse for video games than movies because video games had no R18+ rating, but even after they added one (in 2013) there are still games that get refused classification. quote:Fallout 3 Thanks, guys. I ended up getting a mod that added tons of new drugs and changed all the names to their real equivalents.
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A White Guy posted:My school has a fairly large Native American population. People get pissy when you refer to them as Indian, and I mean, they really should. It's retarded that we still call Native Americans 'Indians'. The fact that a genocidal explorer (ie Columbus) couldn't get over the fact that he was not in India is not a good reason to continue to refer to people who are not from India as Indian. In northern Minnesota, Anishinabe or Anishinabeg is the preferred (if you're Ojibwe).
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radiatinglines posted:Thanks, guys. I ended up getting a mod that added tons of new drugs and changed all the names to their real equivalents. You gotta admit it was a smart change, with how readily available morphine is you don't want kids abusing it after getting the idea from the game. That mod was really neat though, I love how it played with saturation and subtle effects (Note to non-US again, paracetamol + codeine is strictly perscription here, let alone heavier-hitting stuff)
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