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Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes and Renault are the only ones spending enough to actually win titles anyway.
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Tsaedje posted:I'm questioning the assumption that Haas ever intends his team to be contending for anything beyond the midfield i'm fairly certain he has said something silly like wanting to win a race in five years
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Feb 20, 2016 19:31
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be nice wicka posted:i'm fairly certain he has said something silly like wanting to win a race in five years  Well maybe if everyone chants U-S-A U-S-A enough they can do it?
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Feb 20, 2016 19:35
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Tsaedje posted:
he really thinks that because he won a title in NASCAR while buying engines from hendricks that he can do the same thing in F1. but more likely i think he'll realize that's not the case and drastically change his plans.
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Feb 20, 2016 19:37
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I'm making the assumption he's not that naive, and he's satisfied with the prestige of owning an F1 team and the marketing/networking opportunities he'll get from it, while keeping the costs as low as he can. But I have a tendency to be very cynical, maybe he is just taking the opportunity to live out a dream.
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Feb 20, 2016 19:42
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he's also claimed he can turn a profit from F1
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be nice wicka posted:he's also claimed he can turn a profit from F1 OK he's a dangerous lunatic then, good to know
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Feb 20, 2016 19:57
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Tsaedje posted:OK he's a dangerous lunatic then, good to know yeah i try not to think about it too much
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Feb 20, 2016 20:01
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be nice wicka posted:he's also claimed he can turn a profit from F1
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If haas come middle of the table then they probably can turn a profit. Even if you don't take into account sales gained via being a rolling billboard, the reason other mid field teams like Sauber, Force India and Lotus are in the hole is because they are owned by investment companies who expect a chunk of the winnings from the prize pot, or are just simply owned by thieving wankers, which leaves them with nothing left to develop next years car, so they are forced to go to investment companies who...
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Nill posted:I suspect that calculation factors in increased machine tool sales from greater international brand exposure. Whoa Ron Dennis account spotted
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Feb 20, 2016 20:21
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learnincurve posted:If haas come middle of the table then they probably can turn a profit. Even if you don't take into account sales gained via being a rolling billboard, the reason other mid field teams like Sauber, Force India and Lotus are in the hole is because they are owned by investment companies who expect a chunk of the winnings from the prize pot, or are just simply owned by thieving wankers, which leaves them with nothing left to develop next years car, so they are forced to go to investment companies who... none of that applies to sauber, which is owned by sauber
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Feb 20, 2016 20:25
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El Hefe posted:Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes and Renault are the only ones spending enough to actually win titles anyway. Red Bull, not Renault. The latter will barely be spending enough to compete for the podium.
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Feb 20, 2016 20:40
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Riso posted:Red Bull, not Renault. The latter will barely be spending enough to compete for the podium. Ah yes RB too, Renault are spending quite a bit on the engines actually.
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Feb 20, 2016 20:46
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be nice wicka posted:none of that applies to sauber, which is owned by sauber Which is where the thieving wankers bit comes in, Sauber are so inept at finances they signed five drivers for 2015, took four lots of money (Jules was the fifth) and then thought they could keep it. I know he's a bit of a twat and all but they still have Adrian Sutil's money which has meant he could not get a drive in another series for 2015 or 2016.
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Feb 20, 2016 20:59
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learnincurve posted:Which is where the thieving wankers bit comes in, Sauber are so inept at finances they signed five drivers for 2015, took four lots of money (Jules was the fifth) and then thought they could keep it. I know he's a bit of a twat and all but they still have Adrian Sutil's money which has meant he could not get a drive in another series for 2015 or 2016. odd that sauber is the only team that gets raked over the coals for doing something that's 1% as evil as the poo poo F1 teams pull every drat day
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giedo van der garde is a poo poo pay driver, adrian sutil is a poo poo person and driver, why are people leaping to their defense. i really could not care less about anything in the whole world. meanwhile ferrari bends over backwards to refuse to abide by tobacco advertising bans and no one gives a gently caress. but god forbid sauber gently caress over van der garde.
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Feb 20, 2016 21:04
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It is a lovely thing to do to let a driver think they have a seat for next year without giving them time to find a new one? Every team that's done it has caught poo poo for it, Eddie Jordan is still hated in the paddock for pulling that poo poo all the time. Like all failed F1 drivers had they given him his money back right away, and it was a decent amount by all accounts, he could have gone to sports car or formula E in 2015, but to make him fight for his own money in the courts and deny him a chance at a 2016 drive as well has just out wankered even Eddie.
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Feb 20, 2016 21:13
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and yet i just don't give a gently caress about giedo loving van der garde
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Feb 20, 2016 21:20
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Employers shouldn't gently caress over employees imo.
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Feb 20, 2016 21:27
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Alain Post posted:Employers shouldn't gently caress over employees imo. - known communist sympathizer, Alain Post
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Alain Post posted:Employers shouldn't gently caress over employees imo. yeah well when said employee is terrible at his job and only has it because $$$ i don't shed a lot of tears
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Feb 20, 2016 21:39
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A deal is a deal. I can not believe that you can't figure out how people can not care about VdG in particular, but would still care about this kind of thing in the abstract sense. You aren't that dumb.
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Feb 20, 2016 21:43
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgg5WWfMWzM would love to see a foot cam like that in a F1 car
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Feb 20, 2016 21:47
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Alain Post posted:Employers shouldn't gently caress over employees imo. I was happy when Walkinshaw hosed over Verstappen.
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Feb 20, 2016 21:48
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what i can't figure out is why people would openly hope for the disintegration of one of the longest-tenured and most stable teams in the sport because they wronged a laughably garbage driver who will be completely forgotten in 10 years. if you care about breaking contracts "in an abstract sense" then watch a different sport. people were less pissed when mclaren straight up jacked ferrari's design schematics. ffs dude you're not this obtuse.
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Feb 20, 2016 21:50
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El Hefe posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgg5WWfMWzM If we made F1 drivers shift their own gears we would have men driving again.
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Feb 20, 2016 21:54
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Human Grand Prix posted:I was happy when Walkinshaw hosed over Verstappen. In this case Jos got what was coming to him by attempting to work with Walkinshaw.
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Feb 20, 2016 21:57
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It was two drivers at the same time, it's Sutil who hasn't got his money back and is now suing them up the yang because they have kept the money he needs to get another drive. If Bianchi hadn't got himself tractored then it would be three drivers who had paid for a seat with someone else in it. I don't think anyone thinks it's Peter Sauber at fault, Monisha did the deals but as she owns 44% of the team there is nothing they can do and you can't really argue that this isn't anything other then an embarrassing clusterfuck.
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Feb 20, 2016 21:58
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Xenoid posted:If we made F1 drivers shift their own gears we would have men driving again. Lella Lombardi shifted her own gears and she wasn't a man.
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be nice wicka posted:what i can't figure out is why people would openly hope for the disintegration of one of the longest-tenured and most stable teams in the sport because they wronged a laughably garbage driver who will be completely forgotten in 10 years. if you care about breaking contracts "in an abstract sense" then watch a different sport. people were less pissed when mclaren straight up jacked ferrari's design schematics. ffs dude you're not this obtuse. Saying that Sauber should honor their contracts is not hoping that they will go out of business. Even saying that they deserve to go out of business is not the same as hoping they will go out of business.
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Feb 20, 2016 22:00
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I kind of hope we find out that red bull has in fact contained bulls piss all along and they go out of business though.
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Quite frankly I am surprised people are still willing to work with Sauber the way Kaltenborn runs the team. She's completely ruined any good will and credibility.
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Riso posted:Quite frankly I am surprised people are still willing to work with Sauber the way Kaltenborn runs the team. She's completely ruined any good will and credibility. it suggests that your second sentence is not true
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and again you're generalizing "the way she runs the team" based on one situation which is barely relevant to how she actually Runs The Team on a daily basis
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Feb 20, 2016 22:21
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loving over drivers, ignoring court orders and dodging suppliers is sure a sign of integrity and qualification!
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Feb 20, 2016 22:26
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El Hefe posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgg5WWfMWzM Great video, thanks. drat I'll have to fire up Dirt Rally again.
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Feb 20, 2016 22:28
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Here have a pro's rally footwork. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyVHj3sHVHQ
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I'm pretty sure everyone who attended a motorsport event before 1990 had a deathwish.
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Stories like this are why Ferrari are the best team http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/20/11059532/ferrari-enzo-stefan-eriksson-gizmondo-auction imagine Red Bull restoring one of their "classic" cans
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