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shrike82 posted:I can't wait for someone to write the tech culture-equivalent of American Psycho. This guy who seems to think the homeless are human scum would be a good candidate: https://justink.svbtle.com/open-letter-to-mayor-ed-lee-and-greg-suhr-police-chief
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i started off sympathetic to her plight but ended up being "drat lady you're 25 and you're still making mistakes of this caliber? nobody's responsible for feeding you but you, step it up" Don't forget that 25 is basically the age when today's generation first starts living in a situation without some parent/college attending to their every need.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Popular Thug Drink posted:we were posting about this in the other techbro thread, she's starving because she didnt want to/couldn't find a roommate and ended up paying more than her monthly income on rent, bills, and transportation alone. thats not really yelp's fault, low wages is one thing but your employer isn't to blame if you legally commit to paying 80% of your wages on rent 1. Yelp heavily implied that the low wage position was basically a "trial period" after which she would earn at least a living wage in another position 2. Yelp is absolutely responsible to maintain a living wage wherever they're hiring. The consequences of this should be obvious, the simplest one being that turnover is expensive and stories like this tend to cost the shareholders a lot more than another $2/hour for their low wage employees. 3. $1250 is still way, way, way under the market price for living anywhere in SF, and most people with roommates pay close to that if not more.
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Feb 21, 2016 21:01
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:1. Yelp heavily implied that the low wage position was basically a "trial period" after which she would earn at least a living wage in another position source? Dr. Fishopolis posted:2. Yelp is absolutely responsible to maintain a living wage wherever they're hiring. The consequences of this should be obvious, the simplest one being that turnover is expensive and stories like this tend to cost the shareholders a lot more than another $2/hour for their low wage employees. it's not clear that yelp isn't paying a living wage given that in this example the author admits to extremely unsustainable financial decsions which she alone is responsible for Dr. Fishopolis posted:3. $1250 is still way, way, way under the market price for living anywhere in SF, and most people with roommates pay close to that if not more. it's about market price in the area she's living in, and it's normal for people in her position to have roommates. when i was her age, earning about what she earned, and paying about what she paid in rent, i had roommates. you can't live on your own, there has been no point in american history where childless twentysomethings earning minimal wages have been able to rent in cities by themselves
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Feb 21, 2016 21:09
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:1. Yelp heavily implied that the low wage position was basically a "trial period" after which she would earn at least a living wage in another position Do you have a source for this? Dr. Fishopolis posted:3. $1250 is still way, way, way under the market price for living anywhere in SF, and most people with roommates pay close to that if not more. She didn't live in SF, she lived in the East Bay and commuted to work by rail. She is being really misleading by claiming that $1250 is like the bare minimum rent you have to pay to survive near where she lived. In actuality, she made a bad financial decision by renting an entire place to herself in the highest cost area of the country on a minimum wage salary. silence_kit fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Feb 21, 2016 |
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Feb 21, 2016 21:11
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Companies have no responsibility to provide a living wage. I'm sorry, it looks like you aren't living in a micro apartment with seven other roommates, oh, and it says here you have a fridge and a TV? Looks like the only factor in your situation was your poor financial decision making, friend!
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Feb 21, 2016 21:15
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DrNutt posted:Companies have no responsibility to provide a living wage. I'm sorry, it looks like you aren't living in a micro apartment with seven other roommates, oh, and it says here you have a fridge and a TV? Looks like the only factor in your situation was your poor financial decision making, friend! You don't have to live like that in the East Bay to pay less than $1250 in rent. You do have to at least get a roommate though.
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Feb 21, 2016 21:19
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Have you discussed Transferwise already? The company that is supposed to be worth a billion dollars but has yearly revenue numbers that simply doesn't match the supposed worth of the startup.
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Feb 21, 2016 21:23
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DrNutt posted:Companies have no responsibility to provide a living wage. I'm sorry, it looks like you aren't living in a micro apartment with seven other roommates, oh, and it says here you have a fridge and a TV? Looks like the only factor in your situation was your poor financial decision making, friend! even if she had one other roommate, which is extremely normal for a childless person fresh out of college in an entry level job, she'd have an extra $600 a month for food i know blaming employers is really in vogue but at a certain point we have to admit that people are also responsible for appropriate levels of spending and budgeting. like i said i was in this lady's same financial situation and i said "hey i can't afford to eat unless i find a roommate" so i found a roommate and was able to afford food. that's not victim blaming, that's just called making reasonable and rational decisions
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I'm not letting her off the hook for her decisions or her responsibility. Honestly, moving to the bay area is just a straight up terrible idea unless you have a guaranteed six figure income, no family and don't intend to buy a house. I'm also not letting Yelp off the hook for thinking they can run a minimum wage call center in the city of San Francisco without explicitly exploiting the poo poo out of those employees. There is no excuse for a tech sector company that is actually profitable and pays out millions in C level compensation to do this. This is not retail. Incidentally, if it was retail, I happen to know that Apple retail employees start at nearly twice what she was making.
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Feb 21, 2016 21:34
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Yelp / Eat24 worker fired for posting on the internet about literally starving to death while working for food company. You left out this part: quote:I left college, having majored in English literature, with a dream to work in media This is a person that makes bad life choices. That is not the Yelp CEO's fault.
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Feb 21, 2016 21:38
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She is partially responsible for her situation, but I feel like 46% of Americans probably shouldn't be making poverty wages and that is a larger problem worthy of more blame than individuals who have trouble budgeting. e: yeah it's totally her fault that we as a society have been telling people for at least thirty years that all you need to get ahead in this country is to get a bachelor's degree. Working in media, what a terrible poo poo dream, she probably should have decided to become an electrician or plumber instead. God drat millenials. Professor Beetus fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Feb 21, 2016 |
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Feb 21, 2016 21:39
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DrNutt posted:She is partially responsible for her situation, but I feel like 46% of Americans probably shouldn't be making poverty wages and that is a larger problem worthy of more blame than individuals who have trouble budgeting. Agree, but posting on medium certainly won't fix that for anyone (speaking of bad life choices, getting yourself fired from the job you clearly need by publicly complaining about it is pretty high up there). California is a pretty pro-union state, maybe she should have given organizing a shot instead. If nothing else, she'd still have a job.
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Feb 21, 2016 21:43
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redscare posted:You left out this part: Not just an English major who wants a job involving something something media, but an English major who wants a job in media specifically as a twitter spokesperson. Not a spokesperson for the social media company twitter, that is, but a spokesperson that runs another company's twitter account to make lame puns and  randoooooooommm 140 character shitposts.poorlifechoices.txt DrNutt posted:She is partially responsible for her situation, but I feel like 46% of Americans probably shouldn't be making poverty wages and that is a larger problem worthy of more blame than individuals who have trouble budgeting. As I said, "gently caress everyone involved" is a good position to take here 
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redscare posted:California is a pretty pro-union state, maybe she should have given organizing a shot instead. If nothing else, she'd still have a job. lol are you too poor to pull you're self up by you're bootstraps or what, you statist old person
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Feb 21, 2016 21:47
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honestly getting a $12/hr job at a major company fresh out of college with a liberal arts degree is pretty good so long as you don't screw up by doing something like trying to live in the most expensive metro area in the nation without a roommate unfortunately instead of sticking it out or getting a second weekend job or something she wrote a public complaint letter and got fired for her trouble. whoops!
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It's possible for someone's bad life situation to be caused by both generally bad economic conditions and their own dumb choices. We don't have to pick only one or the other.Dr. Fishopolis posted:I'm also not letting Yelp off the hook for thinking they can run a minimum wage call center in the city of San Francisco without explicitly exploiting the poo poo out of those employees. There is no excuse for a tech sector company that is actually profitable and pays out millions in C level compensation to do this. This is not retail.
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redscare posted:Agree, but posting on medium certainly won't fix that for anyone (speaking of bad life choices, getting yourself fired from the job you clearly need by publicly complaining about it is pretty high up there). California is a pretty pro-union state, maybe she should have given organizing a shot instead. If nothing else, she'd still have a job. It didn't even need to go that far. If she and a bunch of buddies had been posting back and forth at each other on Twitter ripping on yelp about the working conditions and ways to fix them that probably would be considered protected activity. Open letters... Not so much.
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The problem with her article is that is has led to this response article https://medium.com/@StefWilliams25/an-open-letter-to-millenials-like-talia-52e9597943aa#.eohlsskv5 I think the first girl hosed up to a certain extent, but Yelp is absolutely exploiting the gently caress out of the labor force by having a minimum wage call center based in San Francisco. Now this response is getting shared by people I otherwise respect under the guise of "work ethic". You shouldn't have to hustle to survive; you shouldn't need to have two jobs to eat. San Francisco is unlivable for 90% of Americans and instead of owning up to that, it's easier to look at this girl and just go "Ha. Get a roommate, you dumb, loving humanities major". Everything about this is gross. It's like the people posting anti-99% memes who missed the point and were exactly the people who were hosed over by the 1%.
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It is really depressing when you consider how many decisions you can make from 18-25 that can result in personal financial disaster and no one thinks this is bad at all because 
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Trevor Hale posted:The problem with her article is that is has led to this response article https://medium.com/@StefWilliams25/an-open-letter-to-millenials-like-talia-52e9597943aa#.eohlsskv5 Let's face it, anyone posting anti-99% memes on facebook and other social media are idiots who would only benefit from more socialism and better regulated capitalism, but they are so sure that they are on their way to being billionaires themselves that they don't want to concede any ground. I have a number of friends posting bullshit like this and it's God damned infuriating. The real 1% doesn't give enough of a gently caress to post about it on social media because they already have the system in their pocket.
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DrNutt posted:Let's face it, anyone posting anti-99% memes on facebook and other social media are idiots who would only benefit from more socialism and better regulated capitalism, but they are so sure that they are on their way to being billionaires themselves that they don't want to concede any ground. I have a number of friends posting bullshit like this and it's God damned infuriating. lol if you think the 1% doesn't post stupid stuff on social media quote:In defense of Facebook’s efforts, Mr. Andreessen, who posts prolifically on Twitter, argued that Indians were being shortsighted with the ban. When other Twitter users compared Facebook’s efforts to a colonialist approach, Mr. Andreessen wrote, “Anti-colonialism has been economically catastrophic for the Indian people for decades. Why stop now?”
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It will be interesting to see what happens when a moderate to severe tech "bubble" bursting leads to the outsourcing of some of those six figure engineering jobs that are occupied almost exclusively by middle/upper class white and Asian men.
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cheese posted:It will be interesting to see what happens when a moderate to severe tech "bubble" bursting leads to the outsourcing of some of those six figure engineering jobs that are occupied almost exclusively by middle/upper class white and Asian men.
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cheese posted:It will be interesting to see what happens when a moderate to severe tech "bubble" bursting leads to the outsourcing of some of those six figure engineering jobs that are occupied almost exclusively by middle/upper class white and Asian men. Those aren't engineering jobs.
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actually a lot of the major tech firms are opening engineering hubs in Asia (Singapore, India etc.) to cater to foreign-born devs that want to move home. i know pay in Singapore is actually pretty attractive given the cost of living and low taxes.
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Cicero posted:That makes zero sense. Why would a reduction in demand, which would lead to lower salaries, result in more outsourcing?
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cheese posted:Cost cutting measure. They didn't outsource customer service jobs because demand was low, they did it to save money. Cut your work force by 30%, rehire half of the jobs in India. Paying the "skilled" American tech workers six figures is a big financial drain. .... so why would they do that after the bubble burst and you can pick up a bunch of unemployed Americans for cheap? That's why what you said makes no sense.
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ohgodwhat posted:.... so why would they do that after the bubble burst and you can pick up a bunch of unemployed Americans for cheap? That's why what you said makes no sense. Because the outsourced workers are still cheaper, and (in the short term) quality isn't a meaningful metric.
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ohgodwhat posted:.... so why would they do that after the bubble burst and you can pick up a bunch of unemployed Americans for cheap? That's why what you said makes no sense. The tech downturn will be the 2008 economic crash in miniature: slash work forces, move some of those jobs overseas, make the rest of the employees work harder, save the stock prices and bottom lines. cheese fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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Still doesn't make any sense. Engaging in an offshoring exercise during a crash to cut costs would be more of a negative signal to investors.
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Trevor Hale posted:The problem with her article is that is has led to this response article https://medium.com/@StefWilliams25/an-open-letter-to-millenials-like-talia-52e9597943aa#.eohlsskv5 Yeah it's a huge problem. You don't have to hold up the tweet-writer as the poster child for the cause though. Probably it would be better to make a story about a native family pushed out of SF and not about a clueless transplant who didn't realize that it is normal to get a roommate or two to make ends meet while living in an expensive area on minimum wage.
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shrike82 posted:Still doesn't make any sense. Engaging in an offshoring exercise during a crash to cut costs would be more of a negative signal to investors.
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cheese posted:Many major companies did it after the 2008 crash. I mean, if everyone is doing it because everyone is suffering from the same massive downturn, then I would imagine its not as big a deal. Especially since the jobs slash-and-move that these companies did is part of what helped them ride a rocketing stock price back up after the downturn.
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Liquid Communism posted:No IP holder gives a drat about fanart produced on a small scale. Suing fanartists creates a huge PR disaster out of what was essentially free advertising for their product, so it is instead reserved for people making knockoffs of actual company product. No one gives a drat about fanart sold on a small scale that makes the company look good. I"m sure someone job at WB or Disney is to watch Etsy and the other sites to make sure nothing anyone on the website makes there IP's look bad. If it did it's gone, if not it's free advertising.
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cheese posted:It will be interesting to see what happens when a moderate to severe tech "bubble" bursting leads to the outsourcing of some of those six figure engineering jobs that are occupied almost exclusively by middle/upper class white and Asian men. A lot of those engineering jobs already are done overseas. Many teams at Adobe are full of white and asian engineers overseeing much larger teams of engineers in India. And the whit engineers have to be in the office for much longer hours because they need to be around to correspond with team-mates on a different time-zone. Similar to international finance, where all the hours are wonky because clients live all over the world.
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OhYeah posted:Have you discussed Transferwise already? The company that is supposed to be worth a billion dollars but has yearly revenue numbers that simply doesn't match the supposed worth of the startup. Tell us more, please!
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Tell us more, please! I'm going to hazard a guess that a company dedicated to making international money transfers as seamless and cheap as possible by using what looks like a more automated version of hawala is going to be financed by organized crime. The money laundering potential is too big to be ignored. See also Bitcoin.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I'm going to hazard a guess that a company dedicated to making international money transfers as seamless and cheap as possible by using what looks like a more automated version of hawala is going to be financed by organized crime. The money laundering potential is too big to be ignored. See also Bitcoin.
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Offshoring hasn't been a thing for 10 years, turns out it doesn't work well for many projects. Where it does work, it's already happening. All the reviews of reported FB posts happen in the Philippines. The really good engineers in India cost as much as anywhere else because they can work wherever they want. Beyond the very top schools in India, whose grads go straight to the West or upper management, the engineering and CS programs are so terrible that the outsourcing firms basically have to run their own universities. Meanwhile wage costs in Singapore are basically the same as in the US, firms used to import underpaid Indians but the government is cracking down on that.
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