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Oh, I meant Benedict Arnold. I have no idea why I said Ben Franklin.
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WickedHate posted:Oh, I meant Benedict Arnold. I have no idea why I said Ben Franklin. He has a bum rap since he was bitter and decided to turn traitor.
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Feb 26, 2016 07:06
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General LaFayette won that war and George Washington can suck an egg.
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Feb 26, 2016 07:11
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bobkatt013 posted:He has a bum rap since he was bitter and decided to turn traitor. Yeah, but the rebels treated him like total poo poo. And anyway, the rebellion was immoral and unjustified from top to bottom.
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Feb 26, 2016 07:12
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Some American rebels were up in French Canada for a while and even though they were welcomed with open arms at first due to being enemies of the hated British, the French Canadians soon realized the rebels were even bigger assholes and kicked them out.
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Feb 26, 2016 07:25
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WickedHate posted:Yeah, but the rebels treated him like total poo poo. And anyway, the rebellion was immoral and unjustified from top to bottom. Sounds like we got ourselves a redcoat in this thread 
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Feb 26, 2016 07:48
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Feb 26, 2016 07:54
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TwoPair posted:Sounds like we got ourselves a redcoat in this thread I think what she's referring to is the whole "taxation without representation" being a load of horseshit. The colonies had a representative to the crown (Ben Franklin,) who didn't bother telling the Brits that the colonists were unhappy about anything. And the only tax the crown ever seriously tried to collect was the tax on tea that was instated to help offset the cost of an expensive war with france that the colonies started by invading the French-owned parts of the not-yet-united states. (If I'm wrong about any of this it's because my only source on this subject is Cracked.)
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Feb 26, 2016 09:49
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Yeah, that. In addition, they were complaining about taxes being too high while literally owning slaves. Hard to claim the moral high ground at that point.
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Feb 26, 2016 09:52
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Don't talk to me like you know about America unless you read Captain America Bicentennial Battles that proves Cap inspired the American flag. Mister Buda had time travel powers in 1976.
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Feb 26, 2016 10:13
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Die Laughing posted:Don't talk to me like you know about America unless you read Captain America Bicentennial Battles that proves Cap inspired the American flag. Mister Buda had time travel powers in 1976. Mods??? There's only ONE true story of American independence.
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Feb 26, 2016 10:19
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The other fun part was how the Continental Congress was full of such shuddering horror of a standing army leading to the overthrow of republics, that they treated the officers of the Continental Army like garbage and nearly got the exact thing they were attempting to avoid.
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Feb 26, 2016 11:55
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If Benedict Arnold was so cool how come he's in Hell, being used by Satan to gently caress with teenagers in colorful costumes? Explain that, atheists!
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Feb 26, 2016 13:48
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Man I'm pretty sure Dick Grayson is totally going to Hell for how he treats his girlfriends, so Benedict Arnold can rest easy.
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Feb 26, 2016 14:11
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Die Laughing posted:Don't talk to me like you know about America unless you read Captain America Bicentennial Battles that proves Cap inspired the American flag. Mister Buda had time travel powers in 1976. 
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Feb 26, 2016 16:24
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Is "oddsblood" some guy's name or the exclamation find of 2016?
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Feb 26, 2016 16:27
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I don't know, I'm still trying to parse "Gad, Sir!".
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Feb 26, 2016 16:31
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It's 18th century English society. You can't take the Lord's name in vain, but saying "My God" or "God's blood" is something you do to express surprise, so you say gAd instead of gOd, or 'od's blood. Ye Olde H-E-double hockey sticks, if you will. You can see it before the period too--lots in Shakespeare and contemporaries. e: "Adsheartlikins!" is still my favorite renaissance-enlightenment exclamation
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Feb 26, 2016 17:00
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By od's bodikins!
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yeah a lot of the very silly sounding cusses that we associate with a very quaint, uptight type of charm are fairly intense and brutal. zounds = god's wounds ie the stigmata gadzooks = god's hooks ie the nails that jesus was hung from on the cross
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Feb 26, 2016 17:27
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Swearing used to be more profane than obscene, didn't it? That was an issue I believe the producers of Deadwood ran into, because they wanted it to be realistic but didn't think that profanity made as big of an impression as obscenity. So I've heard, anyway.
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Feb 26, 2016 17:38
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quote:words about words
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Mover posted:yeah a lot of the very silly sounding cusses that we associate with a very quaint, uptight type of charm are fairly intense and brutal. I always knew Godzooky was blasphemous.
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Feb 26, 2016 19:19
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WickedHate posted:Yeah, that. In addition, they were complaining about taxes being too high while literally owning slaves. Hard to claim the moral high ground at that point. Colonel Tye was a loving hero. Also, a lot of blacks joined the British cause because they were promised freedom. Some of them even got it, in glorious Canada. 
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Feb 26, 2016 19:22
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MonsieurChoc posted:Colonel Tye was a loving hero. Yeah, but doesn't Canada still have a queen?
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Feb 26, 2016 19:25
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WickedHate posted:Yeah, that. In addition, they were complaining about taxes being too high while literally owning slaves. Hard to claim the moral high ground at that point. Britian was not that much better as they had money in the slave trade and was in control of countries such as India. Britain also started wars over having their opium seized. It is hard to ever have the moral high ground on Britain.
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Feb 26, 2016 19:57
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bobkatt013 posted:Britian was not that much better as they had money in the slave trade and was in control of countries such as India. Britain also started wars over having their opium seized. It is hard to ever have the moral high ground on Britain. Yeah, Britain technically had banned slavery in Britain at that point, but it kinda rings hollow when you don't give a poo poo that your subjects are still have them.
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Feb 26, 2016 20:14
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Skwirl posted:Yeah, Britain technically had banned slavery in Britain at that point, but it kinda rings hollow when you don't give a poo poo that your subjects are still have them. They banned being part of the slave trade in 1807
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Feb 26, 2016 20:34
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This comic was in a big collection of Robin comics I've got. Benedict Arnold is given super-powers by the Devil and sent to gently caress around with Batgirl and Robin, which will allow Satan to take over America for no explained reason. It's really awful and stupid but somehow extremely compelling at the same time. It was also a hell of a way to find out that Babs used to be a member of congress.
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Feb 26, 2016 20:39
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bobkatt013 posted:Britian was not that much better as they had money in the slave trade and was in control of countries such as India. Britain also started wars over having their opium seized. It is hard to ever have the moral high ground on Britain. Absolutely, Britain was the proud homeland of Ultimate Colonial Bullshit. But in America, like everywhere else, it wasn't the colonists who were getting screwed.
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Feb 26, 2016 20:42
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bobkatt013 posted:They banned being part of the slave trade in 1807 So, thirty years after the American Revolution.
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Feb 26, 2016 20:43
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Skwirl posted:Yeah, Britain technically had banned slavery in Britain at that point, but it kinda rings hollow when you don't give a poo poo that your subjects are still have them. Was this one of those things where it was like "OK, no more BUYING slaves, but you can keep the ones you have already" and the slave owners started breeding their own future slaves and poo poo?
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Light Gun Man posted:Was this one of those things where it was like "OK, no more BUYING slaves, but you can keep the ones you have already" and the slave owners started breeding their own future slaves and poo poo? I had my timeline a little mixed up because i thought they'd banned slavery in England earlier, but in 1772 it was ruled slavery was illegal on English and Scottish soil, but not anywhere else in the British empire, then in 1807 the slave trade was banned (this didn't affect America because we weren't British subjects anymore, aside from likely increasing the cost of importing new slaves) but the owning of slaves was still allowed in territories that already had them, so I imagine, yeah, they just spent more time trying to breed more. There was also a huge black market for slaves. Slavery itself was banned altogether in 1833, but was gradually phased in. This didn't stop the British Empire from providing aid to Confederate forces during the American Civil War and avoiding Union blockades of Southern ports.
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dordreff posted:It was also a hell of a way to find out that Babs used to be a member of congress. Yeah, the thread's gonna need you to rewind that one a minute and share with the class.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Swearing used to be more profane than obscene, didn't it? That was an issue I believe the producers of Deadwood ran into, because they wanted it to be realistic but didn't think that profanity made as big of an impression as obscenity. So I've heard, anyway. John Ciardi, "A General Note on Dante's Treatment of the Grafters and Their Guards (Cantos XXI and XXII)," The Divine Comedy, p. 170 posted:Dante has been called "The Master of the Disgusting" with the stress at times on the mastery at at times on the disgust. The occasional coarseness of details in other Cantos (especially in Cantos XVIII and XXVIII) has offended certain delicate readers. It is worth pointing out that the mention of bodily function is likely to be more shocking in a Protestant than in a Catholic culture. It has often seemed to me that the offensive language of Protestantism is obscenity; the offensive language of Catholicism is profanity or blasphemy: one offends on a scale of unmentionable words for bodily function, the other on a scale of disrespect for the sacred. Dante places the Blasphemous in Hell as the worst of the Violent against God and His Works, but he has no category for punishing those who use four-letter words.
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Choco1980 posted:Yeah, the thread's gonna need you to rewind that one a minute and share with the class.   She used to be a bonafide US Representative! redbackground fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Feb 26, 2016 |
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Feb 26, 2016 21:31
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Choco1980 posted:Yeah, the thread's gonna need you to rewind that one a minute and share with the class. It's not that interesting. Barbara Gordon stopped being a librarian and decided to be a member of congress instead in the 70s. They never really did much with politics (for example, in the Invader from Hell story, before Benedict Arnold comes and fucks poo poo up Babs is recording some educational history special instead of doing congresswoman stuff) , mostly just had her fight crime in Washington DC instead of Gotham. Oh, and Dick Grayson was her sexy intern for a while. Then she lost her re-election campaign and it was pretty much never mentioned again.
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Feb 26, 2016 21:35
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Skwirl posted:(this didn't affect America because we weren't British subjects anymore, aside from likely increasing the cost of importing new slaves)
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It seems like the life and times of Charles Xavier would make for an excellent STAH post, from going bald due to telepathy, to his time as a roaming combat medic, faking his own death several times, hooking up with a space princess, and Onslaught. Anyone wanna take it on?
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Darthemed posted:It seems like the life and times of Charles Xavier would make for an excellent STAH post, from going bald due to telepathy, to his time as a roaming combat medic, faking his own death several times, hooking up with a space princess, and Onslaught. Anyone wanna take it on? Here, I can sum it up for you:  Whoops, wrong panel.
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