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I decided to catch up on the RAWs that I missed since I was a die-hard WCW fan during the Monday Night Wars. I figured I'd start sometime after KotR '96 and before Wrestlemania XIV to see how the transition to the Attitude Era happened and I randomly picked October 6, 1997 which in hindsight is a great date for anyone looking to do the same: The cool: - Stone Cold coming back from his neck injury - Kane's RAW debut - Cornette ranting about Bischoff's johnson and how Nash is bad - "Rocky sucks" chants and British Bulldog getting big pops when he wins - Degeneration X just about to name themselves, and foreshadowing with Bret Hart calling them degenerates The bad: - All that pyro really leaves everything murky and washed out - Bret Hart calling HHH and HBK homos - A cringe-inducing interview with Pillman's wife literally the day after he died. "Have you had any opportunity to think about what you now as a single parent will do to support your five children?" gently caress you, Vince.
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Feb 5, 2016 04:41
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CAT rear end now!!! posted:It's the perfect show to just listen to, I'd say. Just a bunch of entertaining people trying to entertain each other on long car rides, so it's mostly just a lot of laid-back jokes and stories. Big E's flexibility towards the end is certainly a sight though. I watched it tonight and have to say I really enjoyed it. I then moved over to Table for Three and that was drat decent too. I really like these behind the scenes things they're doing. WWE network has been an awesome deal for me this month given how much viewing I've gotten out of it.
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Feb 5, 2016 06:41
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Helicity posted:I decided to catch up on the RAWs that I missed since I was a die-hard WCW fan during the Monday Night Wars. I figured I'd start sometime after KotR '96 and before Wrestlemania XIV to see how the transition to the Attitude Era happened and I randomly picked October 6, 1997 which in hindsight is a great date for anyone looking to do the same: I hope you plan on going backwards because that's actually a really bad place to start. You would miss Austin giving McMahon his first stunner, Shawn's heel turn, the debut of Cactus Jack, Paul Bearer revealing the truth about the Undertaker, and many more things. The day after Summerslam 97 is a much better start. 08/04/97 The transition to the Attitude Era happened more around March 97 when Bret Hart was giving promos like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxCDDlSw9-A By Fall 97, they were fully into it. some bust on that guy fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Feb 5, 2016 |
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Feb 5, 2016 22:55
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Oh god, those awful scrolls for Le Femme Nikita...
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Feb 5, 2016 23:25
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Super Ninja Fish posted:I hope you plan on going backwards because that's actually a really bad place to start. You would miss Austin giving McMahon his first stunner, Shawn's heel turn, the debut of Cactus Jack, Paul Bearer revealing the truth about the Undertaker, and many more things. The day after Summerslam 97 is a much better start. 08/04/97 Fair enough - I'll back up a little, even though some guy named Road Dogg just asked Rockabilly to team up with him and I'm really curious how that plays out.
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Feb 6, 2016 01:47
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Helicity posted:Fair enough - I'll back up a little, even though some guy named Road Dogg just asked Rockabilly to team up with him and I'm really curious how that plays out. ohyoudidntknow.gif
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Feb 6, 2016 01:56
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Looks like they added some more Hardcore TVs to the Network tonight
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Feb 6, 2016 04:19
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Super Ninja Fish posted:I hope you plan on going backwards because that's actually a really bad place to start. You would miss Austin giving McMahon his first stunner, Shawn's heel turn, the debut of Cactus Jack, Paul Bearer revealing the truth about the Undertaker, and many more things. The day after Summerslam 97 is a much better start. 08/04/97
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Feb 7, 2016 20:16
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'94 Update! King Of The Ring has happened and it was a hard show to get through. I mean there's the whole Art Donovan debacle, though I have to admit that the more he said "Hey Gorilla, how much does this guy weigh?" the more I laughed. Even with all that I still think it's a little lovely that they straight up ignore him by the end, but it's clear that without Vince there (Who is off having surgery done) the commentary team is a little haywire. However full credit to Macho Man who, and I can't believe I'm saying this, is often the most lucid one, and seems to be trying to get across the angles (When Neidhart gets Bret disqualified and then walks to the back, only Macho seems to get the implication and valiantly tries to raise some questions). It ends with a whimper thanks to a Lawler/Piper match. Actually both are pros and Piper looks in great shape, but the buildup has all been done remotely and neither man has been in the same building as the other until tonight, so it kind of just falls a little flat. I will say though that 1-2-3 Kid and Owen Hart put on a good quick little match, and I'm hoping there's more coming from those two because a sub 4 minute match isn't enough.
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Feb 8, 2016 00:10
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DrVenkman posted:'94 Update! You're a month or two away from a Bret/Kid match on Raw that gets a good amount of time, actually. Great match.
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Feb 8, 2016 04:37
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Xerzes posted:You're a month or two away from a Bret/Kid match on Raw that gets a good amount of time, actually. Great match. Just happened actually, only like 2 episodes after KotR. The booking during this time is so amazingly haphazard. I have no real idea why anyone is wrestling anyone else other than they just are. But I got a feeling a lot of this stuff was being pushed on Superstars more than it's being pushed on Raw. We currently got the 'Undertaker' who DiBiase is able to control with THE POWER OF MONEY, in a gimmick I decided was terrible until I actually saw it in motion. Still though, that Hart/123 Kid match was legit. It can't be underestimated how great Bret is when he's engaged, and he does this great thing where if someone kicks out of a pin he kind of admonishes himself for it. It's shocking to me though that that match opened the show and it closed with loving IRS.
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Feb 10, 2016 19:36
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So it opened and closed on greatness?
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Feb 10, 2016 19:45
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In an early January Raw in 1999, Shane O Mac introduces the Devil's favourite demon as "Corporate Kane". Mankind wins the championship and his first defense is against... Kane. Things never change.
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Feb 10, 2016 20:18
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I still think 401Kane was a better name.
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Feb 10, 2016 22:29
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DrVenkman posted:The booking during this time is so amazingly haphazard. I have no real idea why anyone is wrestling anyone else other than they just are.
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Feb 10, 2016 22:40
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My favorite part of '97 so far is that Shawn Michaels really wants the European title because no one has ever held all WWF titles at some point, and SCSA really wants to hold onto his IC belt. People actually want belts and feud for them. Goes along with the above comment about real competition. The Patriot sucks.
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Feb 11, 2016 00:56
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He does but he got beat clean and made to tap by the heel at a PPV so it's all good. It's interesting that anti-American Bret Hart went over him clean. It kind of goes to show Bret Hart's point that year. He beat Undertaker by himself for the title despite a biased referee trying to hit him in the head with a chair. His team cleanly won at Canadian Stampede. They routinely won at Raw. Bret beat SCSA every time they faced each other. It even fits in that Bret got screwed by Shawn and Vince at Survivor Series. 1997 is easily the best year for storytelling. Bret didn't change, he became heel because it was the fans that changed. Shawn became heel because the fans turned on him for a honest mistake. (You'll see this if you watch the Raw after Summerslam, Helicity. This is why you need to go back) Stone Cold became a face but didn't become any nicer. In Oct 97, he's giving a stunner to helpless ring announcers. Mankind became face by giving JR the mandible claw. People started to like him just because they felt sorry for him. He was still just as twisted. Then there's the Paul Bearer saying top babyface Undertaker is a murderer storyline. Why was 1997 so good?
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Feb 11, 2016 02:44
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Slamboree '96 is the weirdest booked tournament ever. Scott Norton and Ice Train just got a bye into the final round, and now we have a semifinal match featuring Hacksaw Jim Duggan, V.K. Wallstreet, Earl Robert Eaton, and Dirty Dick Slater. Like the gimmick is these are random teams but this is so weird. And Eaton and Slater will be in the final.
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Feb 12, 2016 19:06
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So they've added a greatest match collection. I really hope they keep the matches at the end of the month and add to them each month. It's fantastic to have the matches there instead of having to find out what time in the show they begin.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:44
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Watching HBK vs Razor Ramon from WM10, which is in that Best Matches collection. First of all, Shawn Michaels has the fiercest mullet of all time. More importantly there's a huge difference with how this match is reffed than with modern matches. The moment Diesel starts interfering with his shenanigans, Earl Hebner tosses him out and into the back. Any idea why this doesn't happen any more when people who aren't in the match interfere (especially in no-DQ matches)? Edit: Earl Hebner spends most of the match at ringside and not feeding the guys information. Were guys allowed a lot more leeway way back in the day? Amp fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Feb 14, 2016 |
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Feb 14, 2016 01:25
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ShallNoiseUpon posted:Edit: Earl Hebner spends most of the match at ringside and not feeding the guys information. Were guys allowed a lot more leeway way back in the day? Shawn and Razor had already done ladder matches against each other on house shows leading up to the event - they had a good idea of what they were doing They also went long and the 10-man tag had to be bumped from the show
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Feb 19, 2016 05:55
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I really tried to like it but after watching the Edge and Christian show I have to say I find it pretty dull and unfunny. Maybe I'm missing something but drat does that show suck
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Feb 28, 2016 17:05
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Old men being sophomoric. WWE Classic.
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Feb 28, 2016 17:10
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VoLaTiLe posted:I really tried to like it but after watching the Edge and Christian show I have to say I find it pretty dull and unfunny. I'm not liking it either. The show had its moment, but as a whole I don't like it. I'll probably just skip to the good segments next week.
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Feb 28, 2016 17:20
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The Edge&Christian Show looks like something that would air on MTV in the 90s.
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Feb 28, 2016 17:30
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It seems like the sort of thing that if it was given enough time could maybe become great, but like so much WWE stuff it's off to a bad, bad start. Here, why were the Flair and HBK/ Austin podcasts pre-recorded? Was WWE leaning towards making this a permanent change or was it just because they're not on WWE programming often enough for Austin to show up and record live after Raw?
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Feb 28, 2016 19:03
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That E&C show is way better than whatever horrible and scripted Steve Blackman Bounty Hunter TV show you all thought you wanted
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Feb 28, 2016 20:15
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magnum_valentino posted:It seems like the sort of thing that if it was given enough time could maybe become great, but like so much WWE stuff it's off to a bad, bad start. Because Brock said he had to feed the Jew so they went pretaped until everyone at corporate got their knickers unbunched
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Feb 28, 2016 20:16
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MrBling posted:The Edge&Christian Show looks like something that would air on MTV in the 90s. But before E&C were popular, like in an evening comedy block with Beavis & Butthead and The State.
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Feb 28, 2016 20:54
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MrBling posted:The Edge&Christian Show looks like something that would air on MTV in the 90s. Worse, Mid-00's VH1
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Feb 28, 2016 21:03
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oatgan posted:Worse, Mid-00's VH1 now that's what I call "Hey! Remember the *fart noise*?"
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Feb 28, 2016 23:23
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I'd watch the poo poo out of some pop up video wrestling matches
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Feb 29, 2016 11:05
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St Evan Echoes posted:I'd watch the poo poo out of some pop up video wrestling matches Holy poo poo, yes please.
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Feb 29, 2016 15:50
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Edge and Christian's show just makes me wish I was still watching the JBL and Cole Show on youtube.
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Feb 29, 2016 15:57
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It really does seem like something MTV would have had on late at night around 1993.
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Feb 29, 2016 18:02
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Maxwell Lord posted:Slamboree '96 is the weirdest booked tournament ever. Scott Norton and Ice Train just got a bye into the final round, and now we have a semifinal match featuring Hacksaw Jim Duggan, V.K. Wallstreet, Earl Robert Eaton, and Dirty Dick Slater. well let me tell you about the battlebowl
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Feb 29, 2016 18:13
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Been watching the Monday Night Wars series. loving hell, I've never herd the combinations of "superstar" and "sports entertainment" said so regularly before in my life.
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Mar 2, 2016 16:58
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team overhead smash posted:Been watching the Monday Night Wars series. Poor Keith David having to say it eighty times.
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I remember looking so forward to Monday Night Wars when Network was first announced, but holy hell was I bored by about episode 5.
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