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There's an enormous difference in skill between platinum/diamond and masters/challenger. Lots of champions have great winrates all the way up until masters where they fall off because the players are so incredibly skilled. If a champion has a good winrate on champion.gg then it's a solid pick at any level of play most people in this thread will be experiencing. If you are challenger then yes, your experience will totally differ.
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pog boyfriend posted:he is kinda poo poo right now tbh. not feeling yi every time i play him and i used to play him despite the myriad of complaints goons would throw at me for doing so You're probably playing him wrong, tbh, and falling into the "build AS and crit" trap that most people assume you're supposed to build him like. His good playstyle now is Devourer - Titanic Hydra - tank items and anything else is begging to be food for the enemy team. Not that he's super good or anything but he isn't bad.
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The Shortest Path posted:You're probably playing him wrong, tbh, and falling into the "build AS and crit" trap that most people assume you're supposed to build him like. His good playstyle now is Devourer - Titanic Hydra - tank items and anything else is begging to be food for the enemy team. yah probably i did not bother to update my build from way back when
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Devourer's -> Rageblade -> tank seems to be the FOTM build. It allows him to lifesteal a ridiculous amount if he's not CCed during a teamfight.
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Lady Naga posted:Aw is Illaoi bad? I played against her and while I had no idea what her kit did and she got stomped all over she seemed kinda fun She's a bruiser who can't bully the real bullies, will gas out before she threatens their tanks, has to build damage to evaporate their squishies, doesn't have CC to protect or peel for your squishies, and needs to survive and get to press multiple buttons a while in a fight to do her thing. She's also amazingly fun to play, gives you lots of interesting things to think about (do you chase for a second W or grab an E ghost to push your advantage? How far do you extend to punish a vessel? Do you try to set up a perfect CS Q or go for the quick waveclear but lose CS by slapping it down (since she attacks slow enough that just Qing the 6 minions means yours will eat 2 or 3)?), and her success case when she gets ahead is really really satisfying (she can get to the point where you're excited to see the enemy jungler ganking your lane because it's an extra tentacle to murder everyone faster). I'm a little sad that Void Bringer ends up feeling less cool/impactful than her base skin because the voice modulation muddles up a bunch of her lines and the purple tentacles are less visually satisfying.
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I think you're right that in S5 that start was better, but (I think since you stopped playing much) Grail and Zhonyas both got nerfed pretty hard since then, along with a lot of core AP items, so at the moment RoA is just a much, much more efficient purchase than either. It still allows Morg to maintain her permashove + roam thing mid lane, and the tankiness helps make up for the fact that your Zhonyas will be 500 gold later. FQC is also still decent, but post the nerfs I think it can sometimes be too slow to go that first into RoA, but if you can manage it it's really nice to have. Personally I've switched to running scaling CDR along with a FQC or Morellos sometimes to supplement the RoA/Zhonyas/Dcap build to try and maintain some cooldown reduction, but in high elo in general I think she's switched to going pure AP and getting off one good combo rather than building early CDR. Which is all kind of a downer, since CDR morg was more fun, but hey, one shot q + w is fun too.
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Yeah I stopped playing for about a few months and then had to move to a place where I don't have internet available. I'm pretty much worse off than Methanar right now. I'll take a look-see when I get internet back. (I have to move first)
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Mar 1, 2016 21:04
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The active on Frost Queen's Claim is just so disgustingly good at giving you easy bindings and ults on Morgana, it makes your teleport ganks absurdly dangerous.
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Mar 1, 2016 21:06
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Bestbans got updated, but their site is getting hit pretty hard:     Play Lux, people.
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Mar 1, 2016 21:08
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I love how Volibear and Janna have an inverse relationship in terms of bans from Bronze - Platinum.
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Mar 1, 2016 21:11
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Sexpansion posted:Bestbans got updated, but their site is getting hit pretty hard: naut can't be nerfed soon enough imo
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Lovechop posted:naut can't be nerfed soon enough imo He's so much fun but yeah he probably deserves it.
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i played nautilus like one time and i felt really bad about doing it so i stopped
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Mar 1, 2016 21:40
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Illaoi is a fun and perfectly serviceable champion.
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Mar 1, 2016 21:45
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people that pick naut and build zzrot should be arrested
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Mar 1, 2016 21:51
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Radical posted:people that pick naut and build zzrot should be arrested Come and take me, pig
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Radical posted:people that pick naut and build zzrot should be arrested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxobNr6arzc
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Mar 1, 2016 21:57
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Radical posted:people that pick naut and build zzrot should be arrested mods??
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Mar 1, 2016 21:58
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Lovechop posted:naut can't be nerfed soon enough imo Nautilus Riptide (E) damage lowered to 55/85/115/145/175 from 60/95/130/165/200 this is actually worse than it looks because a good riptide does double damage obv also, Jhin Captive Audience (E) [slow increased to 40% from 35% Curtain Call (R) [slow increased to 99% from 80%] that seems like a bad idea Firebert fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Mar 1, 2016 |
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Mar 1, 2016 22:10
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Jhin seems like he's in a good place, that sounds unnecessary
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He's gonna get bumped over the edge so he's a competitive power pick for a few patches and they sell a bunch of skins then they'll tone him down again. Just your friendly neighborhood cyclical cynic.
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Mar 1, 2016 22:15
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80% slow means it's easier for him to land follow up shots but not impossible to get away from. 99 means you're dead unless you have a relatively healthy ally nearby to bodyblock
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Mar 1, 2016 22:18
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henkman posted:80% slow means it's easier for him to land follow up shots but not impossible to get away from. 99 means you're dead unless you have a relatively healthy ally nearby to bodyblock Considering he's already at 51% anyway, he's going to be pretty dumb. I think pre the last set of buffs he still was in a spot where he could be dangerous in competitive once people figured him out, this feels like jumping the gun pretty hard.
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Mar 1, 2016 22:22
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foutre posted:Considering he's already at 51% anyway, he's going to be pretty dumb. I think pre the last set of buffs he still was in a spot where he could be dangerous in competitive once people figured him out, this feels like jumping the gun pretty hard. Agreed
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Radical posted:people that pick naut and build zzrot should be arrested i love people who pick naut and build zzrot, it means i can pick singed and build zzrot and push their poo poo in
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Mar 1, 2016 22:29
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foutre posted:this feels like jumping the gun pretty hard. You forget that the gun is meant to be ironic.
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Mar 1, 2016 22:31
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Cho'Gath has a hilarious relationship with an enemy zz'rot portal
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Mar 1, 2016 22:40
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Libertine posted:He's gonna get bumped over the edge so he's a competitive power pick for a few patches and they sell a bunch of skins then they'll tone him down again. Nah that's dead on. He doesn't need much, they need to sit back and let him get played or figured out more. I think that will be a bit too much, and it's pleasant everyone in here acknowledges it's probably too much
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rabidsquid posted:Cho'Gath has a hilarious relationship with an enemy zz'rot portal Can he eat it?
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Safety Scissors posted:Can he eat it? It's an endless supply of free hp/mana
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rabidsquid posted:It's an endless supply of free hp/mana Lame.
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New Plan: screw trying to pick "good champions" and just play Morde solo lane every game.
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Morde top is cool, I crushed my first couple games without even knowing how his new W works
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I really like Caitlyn but every time I see Jhin's ult I just feel depressed.
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foutre posted:FQC is also still decent, but post the nerfs I think it can sometimes be too slow to go that first into RoA, but if you can manage it it's really nice to have. I feel like FCQ really accelerates the rest of your build because it's a) cheap as poo poo and b) generates so much passive gold that you complete the RoA surprisingly early. In most games I can afford FCQ + CDR boots + RoA at 17-18 minutes, and Abyssal by 19-21 minutes. In the old standard build, you'd just be finishing Athene's/Sorc shoes/Zhonyas around the same time, which is approximately a full item behind, and not nearly as good for soloing an opposing midlaner. FCQ glues the whole build together -- I'm really not a fan of RoA first and think that CDR and mana regen are much better stats in a first item. If they removed FCQ from the game I'd probably go Athene's first item most of the time, but I don't think going RoA second would work well there.
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ImpAtom posted:I really like Caitlyn but every time I see Jhin's ult I just feel depressed. if you want to feel a little bit better about it watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFNFY6-gaDA&t=72s
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henkman posted:80% slow means it's easier for him to land follow up shots but not impossible to get away from. 99 means you're dead unless you have a relatively healthy ally nearby to bodyblock Genuine question - isn't there some bare minimum movespeed every champion has to have? Like that's why you don't just stop moving when hitting a thresh wall? Just curious what the spread is between the 80% slow and the bare minimum speed. If they're close the impact would be more for guys like udyr rather than, say, kalista
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Lovechop posted:if you want to feel a little bit better about it watch this have I really been playing this game for five loving years
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Slow can take you to 0 if it's over 100%, but anything less leaves you at an absolute minimum of 110ms.
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