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Basebf555 posted:Those are horror franchises with niche audiences when compared to something like Ghostbusters. You're making the mistake of assuming that the movie has to be really good to successfully launch a new Ghostbusters franchise, when really it just has to not be aggressively terrible. Enough people will see this on opening weekend alone to justify a sequel, the budget is around $150 million, so you know its going to at least double that. And that would probably be a worst case scenario. I hear ya... I picked those franchises based on their beloved 80s movie status, but I guess even though both had more original run sequels, Ghostbusters is a much bigger franchise.
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The_Doctor posted:Watch Murray's cameo be Mayor Venkman, just to gently caress with people. While I'd love this, Andy Garcia is playing the mayor.
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Mar 4, 2016 17:40
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JoshVanValkenburg posted:It's going to be better than two, not as good as one. Everything will be okay, and we probably won't get a sequel.
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Mar 4, 2016 17:48
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The_Doctor posted:Watch Murray's cameo be Mayor Venkman, just to gently caress with people. He should be a gameshow host.
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JoshVanValkenburg posted:He should be a gameshow host. He should be a groundskeeper.
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Mar 4, 2016 17:53
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He should be a Ghostbuster.
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Mar 4, 2016 17:54
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homullus posted:He should be a groundskeeper. JoshVanValkenburg posted:He should be a gameshow host. The Fuzzy Hulk posted:He should be a Ghostbuster. Why not all three?
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Mar 4, 2016 17:56
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The_Doctor posted:Watch Murray's cameo be Mayor Venkman, just to gently caress with people. This movie takes place in an alternate universe where all the Ghostbusters characters exist, but never formed the franchise. Not only a reboot but also a retcon that means the original movie never happened, just as a bonus little "gently caress you" to the fans of the original. Picklepuss posted:In all fairness though, being better than Ghostbusters 2 wouldn't be difficult. Alright so I'm gonna say I was the guy who liked Ghostbusters 2. No it wasn't as good as the original but it was still p. good, IMO. I dunno why people hate it so much.
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Applewhite posted:Alright so I'm gonna say I was the guy who liked Ghostbusters 2. No it wasn't as good as the original but it was still p. good, IMO. I dunno why people hate it so much. Every time Ghostbusters 2 comes up there's a handful of people that come to its defense and I'm one of them. Is it as unique and original as the first film? Of course not. That's the only negative thing I really can say about it though, I find it to be a hell of a lot of fun to watch.
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Mar 4, 2016 18:01
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Ash1138 posted:College graduate with a degree in history working as a subway attendant to pay off school loan debt would be a legit background for a character in America. I'd be cool with this, but man that trailer did not convey anything to make me think she had anything to offer besides "street smarts."
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Mar 4, 2016 18:01
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KidDynamite posted:I'd be cool with this, but man that trailer did not convey anything to make me think she had anything to offer besides "street smarts." You know street smarts are important too. There is nothing shameful in being street smart.
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Mar 4, 2016 18:05
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I love Ghostbusters 2. I just think this new one will be better than it. Also I'm the kid brother that wanted a Proton pack.
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Mar 4, 2016 18:06
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Applewhite posted:Alright so I'm gonna say I was the guy who liked Ghostbusters 2. No it wasn't as good as the original but it was still p. good, IMO. I dunno why people hate it so much. I like Ghostbusters 2 a ton, but if you want to understand why people hate it, its the exact reasons people say this new one is going to suck (it's different, it relies too much on special effects and cheap gags without the dark edge of the original, it's more colorful in a bad way, it's a rehash that doesn't bring anything interesting nor capture the spark of the original, etc).
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Mar 4, 2016 18:10
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LOL Dark Edge of the Original
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Applewhite posted:I dunno why people hate it so much. Because it is a soulless, shameless beat-for-beat remake of the original that no one but Aykroyd and Columbia wanted to make, and it shows in everyone's performances.
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Mar 4, 2016 18:18
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Applewhite posted:You know street smarts are important too. There is nothing shameful in being street smart. Especially in New York City.
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Timby posted:Because it is a soulless, shameless beat-for-beat remake of the original that no one but Aykroyd and Columbia wanted to make, and it shows in everyone's performances. I like 2 okay, but, yeah, you can see how much Bill Murray hates himself for agreeing to do it in every minute of his performance.
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Mar 4, 2016 18:23
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egon_beeblebrox posted:I like 2 okay, but, yeah, you can see how much Bill Murray hates himself for agreeing to do it in every minute of his performance. That's why Murray -- and Reitman and Ramis, and eventually Aykroyd -- had it written into their GB2 deals that there could never be a GB3 unless all four of them signed off on the script, and why when Columbia started making noise about doing a GB3 back in 1991-92, Murray said he wouldn't even think of it unless he got something like 15 percent of the receipts from GB2, because he knew Columbia would immediately balk at that.
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Mar 4, 2016 18:24
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Didn't Murray also bash the hell out of 2 while it was playing in theaters? I remember hearing that he went on talk shows and basically said "Yeah, I guess see it or whatever, I think it sucks rear end"
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Mar 4, 2016 18:26
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OldTennisCourt posted:Didn't Murray also bash the hell out of 2 while it was playing in theaters? I remember hearing that he went on talk shows and basically said "Yeah, I guess see it or whatever, I think it sucks rear end" Not while in theaters, but a year or two after the release he started ripping it pretty hard, saying it was a miserable shooting experience, and he's never spoken fondly of it since. Ramis was also always extremely disappointed and generally acted in interviews as though he wished he had never participated, and Reitman was largely the same way. Aykroyd's the only person who seemed to have any enthusiasm for the idea, but he's batshit crazy anyway, so that's no surprise.
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Almost certain this is going the bioshock infinite alternate universe route where "all of this is happening because the original ghostbusters did this in their universe!" and bill murray and crew will appear and pass the torch to the new ghostbusters and start a new franchise. I would put money on it. I've never really seen or understood the iconic popculture appeal of ghostbusters.. I think it's awesome they took a creative "risk" by recasting them as woman and seeing all the ugly backlash it's receiving really shows what a problem people have with accepting woman. Other than that this looks like a cheap, lazy, hackneyed nostalgia cash-in. People are either going to exaggerate the flaws and blame the recast or ignore all the movies flaws and praise it undeservingly to spite the backlash to the recast.
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Ausmund posted:People are either going to exaggerate the flaws and blame the recast or ignore all the movies flaws and praise it undeservingly to spite the backlash to the recast. Or people will watch it, get a couple of laughs, have some fun, and then go on with their lives without feeling the need to justify their decision to watch a new Ghostbusters movie to anyone.
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Ausmund posted:I've never really seen or understood the iconic popculture appeal of ghostbusters.. It was sharp and funny enough to appeal to adults, and then when it hit home video those adults showed it to their kids. I first saw the movie because my parents took me to a dinner at another couple's house, and when dinner was over everyone sat down together to watch Ghostbusters. That kind of scenario probably played out in millions of households because of how the movie works on so many levels.
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xezton posted:Or people will watch it, get a couple of laughs, have some fun, and then go on with their lives without feeling the need to justify their decision to watch a new Ghostbusters movie to anyone.
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Basebf555 posted:It was sharp and funny enough to appeal to adults, and then when it hit home video those adults showed it to their kids. I first saw the movie because my parents took me to a dinner at another couple's house, and when dinner was over everyone sat down together to watch Ghostbusters. That kind of scenario probably played out in millions of households because of how the movie works on so many levels. I've seen bits and pieces of it on cable, it just seemed okay. But that's just me I guess, people regard it like the original star wars.
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Ausmund posted:I've seen bits and pieces of it on cable, it just seemed okay. But that's just me I guess, people regard it like the original star wars. Yea if you don't see the movie at an early age, lets say 10 years old or younger, its just not going to hit you the same way. I still think if you watched it from start to finish you'd think it was hilarious, which it is, but the real hardcore fans were young enough to be scared by it, and then grew up and gradually discovered that its also one of the funniest movies ever. So in my nostalgic brain Ghostbusters is like the best horror movie and the best comedy all rolled into one.
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I wonder how much of the decison to make Ghostbusters 2 was due to the cartoon being a huge hit. Was it a case of them going "Well poo poo, I guess we HAVE to make another on". I don't HATE Ghostbusters 2, I watched it mainly because Comedy Central played it every 5 minutes back in the mid 00's. It's just a pretty bleh movie. The start of the film is incredibly loving stupid though. So the Ghostbusters literally save the entire world, or even at least New York....and a few years later they're mocked and forced to work at birthday parties? What? Ausmund posted:Whoops, forgot enabling uncreative, uninspired movies and giving them a market. Oh come the gently caress on with this  crap.
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Basebf555 posted:Yea if you don't see the movie at an early age, lets say 10 years old or younger, its just not going to hit you the same way. I would have pegged it as a teen movie, since there's a little more swearing and scaring and innuendo. I definitely don't see it as a movie for the 10 and under crowd.
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homullus posted:I would have pegged it as a teen movie, since there's a little more swearing and scaring and innuendo. I definitely don't see it as a movie for the 10 and under crowd. poo poo was different in the late 80's.
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OldTennisCourt posted:Oh come the gently caress on with this hurr hurr that's going to leave a mark! That's from Chris Farley they're not possessed anymore but they think they are and they're still hitting them hahaha That's a gag from Evil Dead 2 this shouldn't at all be okay and is always worth bringing up.
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Ausmund posted:What's the problem with demanding higher quality writing in movies? Oh no! A comedy movie we've only seen one trailer for has a couple of lame jokes! Mother of god.... I think the film industry's gonna be okay man but...only time will tell. Also let's not pretend that the orignal film didn't have a couple of clunkers as well, It's a great movie, but judging a comedy on it's first trailer alone and tut-tutting over the state of film writing in the industry is pretty 
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OldTennisCourt posted:Oh no! A comedy movie we've only seen one trailer for has a couple of lame jokes! Mother of god....
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Basebf555 posted:It was sharp and funny enough to appeal to adults It was made for adults, Dan Aykroyd gets a blowjob from a Ghost.
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Ausmund posted:Not lame, unoriginal. What happened to creative integrity? And more importantly... WHY DOESN'T ANYBODY CARE? I think it's a really important issue. Creative integrity in a project like this is just a naïve fantasy. Complaining about a few unoriginal jokes in a big-budget remake in 2016 is like complaining about airplane peanuts.
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Avril Lavigne posted:It was made for adults, Dan Aykroyd gets a blowjob from a Ghost. I'm aware of that, which I think would be made clear if you had quoted a complete sentence, not just half of one.
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Basebf555 posted:poo poo was different in the late 80's. No kidding! I saw it in the theater.
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Ausmund posted:Not lame, unoriginal. What happened to creative integrity? And more importantly... WHY DOESN'T ANYBODY CARE? I think it's a really important issue. People do care dude. It's one loving remake of a comedy, the independent film industry and hell, Hollywood in general is putting our original and creative films all the time. Acting like this remake in particular is the coming of a nightmarish hellscape of unoriginality is absurd. No one's saying this isn't important but your idea that if this film makes money we're in for the death of creative integrity in film is loving stupid. I'm willing to bet good money this same drat argument has happened every single year since film started to be considered an artform. "Oh boy a remake of The Thing From Another World? Where the gently caress is creativity Hollywood?" "Jesus Christ another James Bond sequel? What is this, number 5?" V-----There's a pretty MASSIVE difference between a comedian stealing another comedians entire set and a film trailer using two jokes that are pretty loving tenuous at best to be ripping off another film's jokes. This is such a strange thing to be stuck on, the jokes are lame but stolen? OldTennisCourt fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Mar 4, 2016 |
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OldTennisCourt posted:Also let's not pretend that the orignal film didn't have a couple of clunkers as well, It's a great movie, but judging a comedy on it's first trailer alone and tut-tutting over the state of film writing in the industry is pretty But why is it when a comedian uses unoriginal materiel it's a controversy, but when a movie uses unoriginal material it's dismissed as only something an obsessed movie snob cares about? It pisses me off the cast probably worked their asses off crafting these characters and their personalities, because they realize the huge expectations and gender issues they're up against, and then the writers can't even be bothered to write an original thoughtful joke(well going by the trailer anyway). But gently caress me, right?
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Basebf555 posted:Creative integrity in a project like this is just a naïve fantasy. People said the same thing about Anita Sarkesian criticizing how woman are portrayed in media, yet look at the loving huge impact she's had.
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Applewhite posted:You know street smarts are important too. There is nothing shameful in being street smart. There's not but you can have street smarts and still be in STEM.
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