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Birdstrike posted:backup scum probably haha ya lmbo
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Kashuno posted:I am glad that we skipped jokephase, the true hell of mafia. haha ya lmbo
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Mar 7, 2016 22:51
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Here's where we are:
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I just want to yell at people and call them idiots but now I'm too confused for that  It's me, now I'm the idiot
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Mar 7, 2016 22:52
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Lumpen posted:The mod said it was fine and I created the setup! I am not trying to insult myself by breaking my own setup, because it is not breakable, and so trying to break it is a compliment not an insult. It's not an insult to break the setup, it's an insult to break the setup and make the game moot. It's the making the game moot part which is the insult, but you're too focused on the glory of your setup to think of games that way.
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Mar 7, 2016 22:52
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lets not pretend that discussing a mass claim in an open setup game is somehow unprecedented and an insult to the mod mass claims are a thing in every open setup game, it feels fake to pretend this is somehow an injustice
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Mar 7, 2016 22:57
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Kash can you explain your KB vote?
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Mar 7, 2016 22:58
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that's my secret cap it's always jokephase
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Mar 7, 2016 22:58
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Lumpen posted:Here's where we are: I'm power I inherited
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Mar 7, 2016 22:59
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It's just myu opinion Jake. And it's not the claiming it's the intent. But w/e.
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Mar 7, 2016 22:59
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GulagDolls posted:no its because i want to see lumpen's face when he realizes his supposedly perfectly balanced game can be broken open its too late, even if we broke the setup he'll just hand wave it because I'm in the game
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Mar 7, 2016 22:59
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lumpen not paying attention to vital details that's a scumpen tell
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Amoeba102 posted:It's not an insult to break the setup, it's an insult to break the setup and make the game moot. It's the making the game moot part which is the insult, but you're too focused on the glory of your setup to think of games that way. It in no way makes the game moot AT ALL. There is a ton of strategy and permutations and intricate interactions and headfakes and WIFOMing embedded deep deep beyond where even a D1 massclaim can go. The Versatile Backup mechanic is key. The setup is highly resistant to being "made moot". Look at the end of the BSG Nailbiter game. The Scumdoc is probably the best way.
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Mar 7, 2016 23:03
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Lumpen posted:The Scumdoc is probably the best way. there you go, only scum have access to the scumdoc nice scumslop lumpen ##vote Lumpen
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Mar 7, 2016 23:04
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its definitely an insult to waste people's time when they wanted to play mafia instead of math
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Mar 7, 2016 23:05
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think about it, all the talk beforehand about "breaking the setup." What's the best way for Lumpen to fit in rolling scum in his own setup? Talk about whole bunch of metas and claim theories and whatnot that nobody can call him out on because it's his own setup well I'm callin u out m8
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Mar 7, 2016 23:07
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Khris Kruel posted:its definitely an insult to waste people's time when they wanted to play mafia instead of math massclaiming does not somehow remove 'playing mafia' from the game.
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Mar 7, 2016 23:08
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Birdstrike posted:there you go, only scum have access to the scumdoc hes talking about the scum doc from the previous nailbiter game
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Mar 7, 2016 23:08
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Khris Kruel posted:its definitely an insult to waste people's time when they wanted to play mafia instead of math Once the claiming is out of the way all that will be left is mafia. And there is a lot of actual content to look through rather than just joke phase stuff.
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Mar 7, 2016 23:08
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Lumpen posted:I'll respond to this as if you are Town and being sincere. That's because you think it's unbreakable because it's your glorious setup. Whether or not it is breakable, is not the point. You and others are experimenting on trying to break the setup, whether or not you believe it can be,. And my impression is that is that it's insulting to the mod and other players that didn't sign up for that. Personally, it doesn't affect me. And this discussion is not playing mafia either. I'm sorry I got into this.
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Mar 7, 2016 23:10
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JakeP posted:hes talking about the scum doc from the previous nailbiter game I know, crazy odds he rolled scum in two of these setups
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Mar 7, 2016 23:11
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srsly tho ##vote kash
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Mar 7, 2016 23:17
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GulagDolls posted:massclaiming does not somehow remove 'playing mafia' from the game. bullshit, you will lynch only on the validity of the claim. You guys will argue about which backup claim they trust the most
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Mar 7, 2016 23:23
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when I'm immune from lynch simply because I've claimed a power role, you're not playing mafia
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Mar 7, 2016 23:25
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Khris Kruel posted:when I'm immune from lynch simply because I've claimed a power role, you're not playing mafia you're a target for NK though
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Mar 7, 2016 23:27
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Birdstrike posted:you're a target for NK though and that creates one less backup for the scum to hide in. The cop and the tracker are the real threats to scum and the SK
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Mar 7, 2016 23:28
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King Burgundy posted:Once the claiming is out of the way all that will be left is mafia. Once you grt your stupid loving mass claim you guys can jerk each other off about your ability to "solve" the game instead of playing Mafia
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Mar 7, 2016 23:30
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Kashuno posted:Once you grt your stupid loving mass claim you guys can jerk each other off about your ability to "solve" the game instead of playing Mafia  
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Mar 7, 2016 23:33
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by the way, if you kill a holdout before all 5 power roles have softclaimed, you'll almost certainly kill the power role. Better to start with the backups
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Mar 7, 2016 23:34
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Khris Kruel posted:when I'm immune from lynch simply because I've claimed a power role, you're not playing mafia every open setup ever?
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Mar 7, 2016 23:34
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JakeP posted:every open setup ever? this is the first open setup I've ever played that mass claimed on day 1. Most mass claims are from "everyone has a role" closed setups...those are easily broken to a mass claim
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Mar 7, 2016 23:36
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Khris Kruel posted:by the way, if you kill a holdout before all 5 power roles have softclaimed, you'll almost certainly kill the power role. Yeah, so far everyone who has posted since this started has been willing to claim eventually. Will be interesting to see if there are any hold outs still once the others show up. Right now we know there is a liar among the claimed backups. For now we assume there is no one lying who has claimed a power, and there is one remaining power among the unclaimed.
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Mar 7, 2016 23:36
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Khris Kruel posted:this is the first open setup I've ever played that mass claimed on day 1. Most mass claims are from "everyone has a role" closed setups...those are easily broken to a mass claim In any open setup game you can claim your role, and if not CCed be confirmed town who won't be lynched. It has nothing to do with mass claims poo poo you are the only rear end in a top hat who actually full claimed lol
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Mar 7, 2016 23:37
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I'm claiming 42% of Antarctica penguin army gonna' getcha
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Mar 7, 2016 23:37
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King Burgundy posted:Yeah, so far everyone who has posted since this started has been willing to claim eventually. Will be interesting to see if there are any hold outs still once the others show up. I think you guys shouldn't kill Kashuno until all 5 power roles have claimed. If not you're risking too much and should kill back ups
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Mar 7, 2016 23:38
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kash has claimed backup
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Mar 7, 2016 23:38
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Khris Kruel posted:I think you guys shouldn't kill Kashuno until all 5 power roles have claimed. If not you're risking too much and should kill back ups He's a claimed backup now.
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Mar 7, 2016 23:39
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Khris Kruel posted:when I'm immune from lynch simply because I've claimed a power role, you're not playing mafia In any Mafia game wouldn't claiming a power role and not being counterclaimed pretty much make you "immune from the lynch"? The same incentives are at play here. Nobody asked you to fullclaim. It strikes me as an unwise move whether you are telling the truth or not. If you are truthful though, at least you have less power to gently caress up the game than you would in a game without Versatile Backups.
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Mar 7, 2016 23:39
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But I'm still in no hurry to rush this vote. If it looked like we were approaching hammer before the missing people showed up I'd hop off.
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JakeP posted:In any open setup game you can claim your role, and if not CCed be confirmed town who won't be lynched. It has nothing to do with mass claims in a normal game of mafia, you should never claim unless forced to. I never believe a role when they claim in normal situations and most of the time they're just a stupid WIFOM for the rest of the game anyways. Just stop being scummy and lynch scummy people and ignore roles. "Oh no he claimed cop, he must be SO USEFUL to the town" Just loving lynch em and move on and punish bad play
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