Awesome Welles posted:

Had no idea, that's cool though. Was Southpaw used for anything else?

Dewgy posted:

Xenomrph posted:

distant planet called Olduvai

Awesome Welles posted:

Had no idea, that's cool though. Was Southpaw used for anything else?

Overbite posted:

There's something about the marketing for this, with its focus on violence, and all the glory kills and slamming a corpses face into an eye scanner that makes Doom 4 come across as trying too hard to be cool and edgy but actually being kind of embarrassing, like its the Guy Fieri of first person shooters.

Zaphod42 posted:

Yeah, I agree. Thing is video game publisher marketing teams are hilariously out of touch, and Bethesda's team is no exception.

Overbite posted:

I don't think it's entirely on marketing, unless marketing made them put all that stuff in the game and made the kill streak call outs really lame (genocide?)

GUI posted:

The executions are there because id likes Brutal Doom and because they want to pander to that crowd since it's a very popular mod that brought a new audience to Doom, and attracting that audience to Doom 2016 means more money. And of course there's the people who don't know about Brutal Doom and will just buy it because of the over the top violence.
Unless, of course, you're deluded and believe Brutal Doom didn't impact the reboot's development in any way.

TheWhiteNightmare posted:

Holy poo poo Brutal Doom really did break peoples' brains

ZenVulgarity posted:

Hexen was fun

Zaphod42 posted:

The earlier footage of in-development doom 4 looked like so much call of duty.

Xenomrph posted:

I just got done re-reading the 7th Doom novel.

"7th?" I hear you say, "but Xeno, there's only 6."

I'm talking about the one that no one thinks about, the one that's a spin-off of a spin-off.

That's right, the Doom movie novelization.

The book is interesting because parts of it are clearly based on the earlier version of the movie's script when it was set on a distant planet called Olduvai rather than Mars (until the lack of Mars leaked to the public and there was pretty huge fan backlash, so the filmmakers changed it on the fly), and while the vast majority of the plot plays out exactly the way we see it in the final movie, there's whole scenes in the book that are added in. I haven't read the script for the movie (I don't even know if it's available online, I haven't looked), so I don't know if the author was writing scenes that were in the script but cut out, or if he was creating material from whole cloth.

I'm skimming over [url=http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/Doom.pdf[/url]an early draft[/url] and yeah, it looks like the author fabricated a bunch of new scenes. I can say that the new scenes would have made the movie more coherent and better overall, but it'd have likely ballooned the budget quite a bit.

Overbite posted:

There's something about the marketing for this, with its focus on violence, and all the glory kills and slamming a corpses face into an eye scanner that makes Doom 4 come across as trying too hard to be cool and edgy but actually being kind of embarrassing, like its the Guy Fieri of first person shooters.

Mung Dynasty posted:

Vanilla Doom is God's own creation and modding or playing it in any other fashion is a terrible sin.

Groovelord Neato posted:

only the first four are canon

Heavy Metal posted:

Who would find this edgy in 2016, especially in a game with cartoony demons? From my perspective you're misreading this, and the jedi are evil also. I think fun is the tone they're looking for, at least to fans of stuff like cheesy horror movies and heavy metal style etc.

Xenomrph posted:

This is the gospel truth. I was baffled by how hard it was to find a source port that was just "vanilla Doom".

Overbite posted:

i dunno, I'm not into ultra violence and gore like I was when I was a wee boy. I thought the new MK took it too far and I don't really like the glory kills.

I play Doom with smooth doom and that adds more blood and splats and stuff but that's old pixel violence. Folding an imp in half every few seconds isn't appealing to me and it feels like it was designed to appeal to kids who aren't old enough to buy the game on their own, or streamers who will see a demon ripped in half and instantly pull a stupid face like they were in a react video thumbnail.

Zaphod42 posted:

That's because if its a source port its not vanilla doom by definition

That said how hard is it to turn some features off in GZDoom or download ChocolateDoom or WinDoom? (Answer: its really easy)

And if you really want vanilla doom, its not hard to find the game files, although they won't play nice with modern Windows.

Admiral Bosch posted:

i liked brutal doom

nightwisher posted:

The only good doom engine game was Strife. Can we remake that instead of brutal doom?

Xenomrph posted:

This is the gospel truth. I was baffled by how hard it was to find a source port that was just "vanilla Doom".

Prenton posted:

I remember playing that Knee Deep in ZDoom mod that came out years back that spectacularly missed the point of Phobos Anomaly, and have been suspicious of any "It makes Doom play like how you remember it being is as a kid!!!!" mods since then.

Xenomrph posted:

The executions kinda rub me the wrong way, they don't really feel like Doom. Like, the first 3 games were about being a desperate soldier tackling insane odds and fighting your way into and out of Hell, but it was still a harrowing, dangerous experience. Seeing the player character willingly "rip and tear" demons with his bare hands as if he's doing Mortal Kombat fatalities on everyone in sight makes him seem like a sociopath.

Dewgy posted:

nightwisher posted:

The only good doom engine game was Strife. Can we remake that instead of brutal doom?