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Darth Walrus posted:Implies that they think they've got some strategy here. Even with whipping, you'd usually expect a few more rebellions than that over such a controversial bill. Most of the people who would normally rebel over this kind of authoritarianism are currently in the Shadow Cabinet. Umunna and Hunt are going to be all for it.
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Darth Walrus posted:Implies that they think they've got some strategy here. Even with whipping, you'd usually expect a few more rebellions than that over such a controversial bill. To be fair abstaining until the bill is in it's final form and then voting against it is a sound strategy. If nothing else it makes their opposition look considered rather than reactionary.
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Oh well RIP Bernie, I thought you had a chance and maybe everything might just be ok 
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ThomasPaine posted:Oh well RIP Bernie, I thought you had a chance and maybe everything might just be ok i see you are new to politics
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I am not but after corbyn I allowed myself to hope. Won't be doing that again.
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ThomasPaine posted:I am not but after corbyn I allowed myself to hope. Won't be doing that again. Y'know, hope is a mistake.
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Hope is very un-british. Resigned misery is the national character.
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ThomasPaine posted:I am not but after corbyn I allowed myself to hope. Won't be doing that again. 
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icantfindaname posted:So I hear the UK is about to Charterize all of its public schools? I'll do an effort post on this when I have a free period from teaching later on today. Suffice to say this is very bad... I'm talking Junior Doctors bad. I am going to be quitting teaching because of this.
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haakman posted:I'll do an effort post on this when I have a free period from teaching later on today. Suffice to say this is very bad... I'm talking Junior Doctors bad. I am going to be quitting teaching because of this.
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I have to say seeing sanders supporters melting down here and reddit, and going full racist is pretty gratifying.
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shrike82 posted:I have to say seeing sanders supporters melting down here and reddit, and going full racist is pretty gratifying. Shut the gently caress up retard
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ThomasPaine posted:Oh well RIP Bernie, I thought you had a chance and maybe everything might just be ok Is president meme definitely out of the running now?
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Puntification posted:Is president meme definitely out of the running now? Short of a miracle, yes. Which means the choice of president is between a dishonest, megalomaniacal politician who has been busy amassing a personal fortune and promises a blood-thirsty foreign policy, and Donald Trump.
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everything, full accelerationism is on the cards. Also lol at the 'burn it all down' policy of every school being turned into an academy.
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Pesmerga posted:Short of a miracle, yes. Which means the choice of president is between a dishonest, megalomaniacal politician who has been busy amassing a personal fortune and promises a blood-thirsty foreign policy, and Donald Trump. RIP bernie, too dank to live. #crashandberned
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Puntification posted:RIP bernie, too dank to live. #crashandberned The US will not get the President it needs but the one it deserves
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Academisinf everything wouldn't work though would it? I thought the appeal was you put schools with the well behaved, high performing students in private hands then marveled at the private sectors ability to do great things, while leaving struggling ķids in the state schools. A bit like how we privatise elective orthopaedics which is a money spinner while keeping ITU a state run endeavour
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winegums posted:Academisinf everything wouldn't work though would it? I thought the appeal was you put schools with the well behaved, high performing students in private hands then marveled at the private sectors ability to do great things, while leaving struggling ķids in the state schools. A bit like how we privatise elective orthopaedics which is a money spinner while keeping ITU a state run endeavour It's all based in a belief that lassez-faire actually ever existed and that it's the best way for the world to run. Privatise everything, and anything that fails deserves to fail (unless you're personally invested in it of course, in which case prop that thing up!)
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winegums posted:Academisinf everything wouldn't work though would it? I thought the appeal was you put schools with the well behaved, high performing students in private hands then marveled at the private sectors ability to do great things, while leaving struggling ķids in the state schools. A bit like how we privatise elective orthopaedics which is a money spinner while keeping ITU a state run endeavour They want to crush the teachers union.
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Gonzo McFee posted:They want to crush the teachers union.
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On the snoopers charter, wouldn't the Internets push to have https as the standard render a lot of the bills URL collection pointless? Only the domain would be loggable.
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Mega Comrade posted:On the snoopers charter, wouldn't the Internets push to have https as the standard render a lot of the bills URL collection pointless? Only the domain would be loggable. Well Cameron did say that we should ban encryption because it's exclusively used to do terrorisms
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Sylvia Anderson has passed away. Looks like we're down for a whole year of it.
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Quote-Unquote posted:Well Cameron did say that we should ban encryption because it's exclusively used to do terrorisms Is this going to end up as a thing where the big business worshipping tories and the authoritarian shitwad tories end up at odds? I don't see that kind of fracturing yet, but as was said above it could be used to split the vote. Until the New Labour secruocrats push it through anyway. 
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Ok, so academies and why they are dumb. 1) Academies do not have to stick to the national pay and conditions scale for teachers. Teachers pay, those wonderful holidays (hah) and 9 til 3 working hours (hah)? All determined by national pay & conditions scale. Local Authorities (LAs) stick to these. Academies have, conventionally, stuck to these (though I have heard horror stories from colleagues - management saying things like "Holidays are for students only"). The reason academies stick to these conditions currently? Well, why the gently caress would I go work in a place with demonstrably worse conditions if I have an option to stay/work in a LA school? LA schools act as a counterweight to academies. If you academise all schools there is no counterweight. In order to make 'efficiency' and increase profit/value for stakeholders/heads/corporate interests who have put money into the school some money the school makes/receives has to go to them. Where does this money come from? Why, teachers pay and conditions! It will be a race to the bottom, mark my words. Teachers will be paid less. They will work more hours. All in all bad news if you are a teacher. 2) In tandem with the above - real teachers are expensive. They have a degree and then a year's post grad training followed by another year of training on the job. These are requirements (not in FE/Post 16+ but that's another story). Academies do not require these qualifications. Much easier to hire someone with a degree in the subject, who will definitely be cheaper - graduate labour comes cheap nowadays if you want it. Once again, bad. Expect schools to be staffed with graduates with no teaching experience shortly. The old adage 'those who can't, teach'? Well, that's going to be true soon. Massive detriment to students. I was taught, for 2 years, at private school. My History teacher was the librarian. It was shocking. I loving hated history because of it. (A-Level had the best History teacher and inspired me to become one). 3) Curriculum. The National Curriculum is required by state schools. Whist not ideal it can sometimes act as a bulwark against certain types of crazy teaching ideas (to follow). Academies do not have to teach via the National Curriculum. They must provide a 'balanced' education. The only core subjects they need to focus on are English, Maths & Science and Religious Education... It is entirely conceivable that Academies will be able to teach creationism as fact. They will also not teach less 'popular' subjects - they do not get funding if a subject is under-subscribed. Once again, bad. 4) Private interests - do I need to say more? If you are beholden to a private interest, whether or not the red-tape says academies are charities - you can be drat sure they will want something in return for their investment. Either cheap labour ("come to our CarpetRight sponsored open day about writing a CV") or via actual, direct monetary reward. It is not uncommon for academy chains (CarpetRight ffs!) to sack all governers and replace them with corporate stooges. 5) Responsibility. Previously democratically elected Local Authorities. Academies are responsible to the Department of Education directly. Some of those batshit ideas Gove had about our imperial past? Yup, they could be taught in academies. Politicians will now get carte blanche to set curriculum and guidelines for academies. Once again, bad. 6) Funding - lots of crowing from people saying "well I went to an academy. It was a poo poo school but when we turned to an academy it went well". Cool. That's because your school was in special measures and was turned into an academy to save it. What happened was the GoVt threw a gently caress tonne of money at your school (10% increase in budget) and voila - improvement! It's almost as if education could be improved if you stopped systematically defunding it and instead chucked money at it... This funding (called Local Authority Central Spend Equivalent Grant) will no longer be available. New schools converting into academies will not get any funding. In the past converters did. Not anymore. It is not a flagship policy. One of the only benefits of academisation was the extra money you got for turning into an academy. The majority of schools did convert because they needed money, not because they thought it would improve results. 7) Results - 60 per cent of pupils in non-academy schools attained five A* to C-grade GCSEs in 2011, compared to just 47 per cent in the (then) 249 sponsored academies. This gets even worse when you factor in that academies are cooking the (lovely) books. Academies have been relying on GCSE/GCE 'equivalent' subjects. Rather than putting students into GCSEs & A-Levels they are being put onto vocational equivalents. BTECs for example. So rather than doing A-Level science or PE, they will be put on BTEC Sport or BTEC Applied Science. "Cool, I was always poo poo at exams anyway" might be your thinking. However, and here is the problem. There is no loving rigour in a BTEC. See, A-levels & GCSEs are externally moderated - you do the exam, you get it marked by an examiner and then your result is determined by the results of everyone else taking that exam in the country. BTECs don't do this - they are internally assessed. The teachers teaching you mark it and give you grades. Conflict of interest much? Pressure for results = grade inflation. It's virtually impossible to fail a BTEC. As an anecdote - a colleague of mine teaches BTEC Public Services. Last year they increased an externally examined module. One module, out of about 10. Every single student failed. Academies are not suitably academic. Which is a delicious irony because the Tories are trying to close sixth forms and FE because they do not represent academic institutions and replace them with academies. There is no evidence which links academies to increased success which cannot be explained by looking at other factors i.e having a loving HUGE TONNE OF MONEY THROWN AT YOU. 8) Final and most important point - the learners. All of the above directly affect students. The most important thing in education are the learners. That's why most teachers do it and haven't quit yet. All of the above is going to cripple a generation of students with a poor education. I cannot bear it, it absolutely breaks my heart to know that I will be getting students (I teach A-Level exclusively) who I will need to spend the majority of my time loving de-programming from all the bad habits they pick up being taught badly at GCSE. I already have evidence, from my own teaching, that students coming from academies are significantly worse at critical thinking, literacy and historical knowledge than students who went to a state school. So in conclusion: gently caress academies. It's a clumsy stealth privatisation of our education system. Goodbye critical thinking and hello a bunch of mindless drones who do not question anything, value money above everything else and think that CarpetRight invented the idea of democracy whilst killing the dinosaurs 3,000 years ago. I've missed some things, but hope the above helps. haakman fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Mar 16, 2016 |
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haakman posted:I've missed some things, but hope the above helps. • Parents of kids in attendance. They have an incentive to actually make sure that the school does well, for as long as they have a kid there. Then they leave suddenly or just drift off. • Volunteers who genuinely care about their community. These people really want to help, but might not really know how, and might be trying to do it all in their spare time between working hours. • Corporate stooges. As you mentioned. Bad. • The independently wealthy. Landed gentry, bored peers, and random new money bourg who have decided that they have noblesse oblige to steward the education of the proles, no matter how competent they are at that. I'm not convinced that any of the above have less bureaucracy, red tape, or petty infighting than the LAs, which really was the main stated reason for the push to academies. I object to this though haakman posted:Goodbye critical thinking and hello a bunch of mindless STEM drones who do not question anything, value money above everything else
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haakman posted:So in conclusion: gently caress academies. It's a clumsy stealth privatisation of our education system. Goodbye critical thinking and hello a bunch of mindless STEM drones who do not question anything, value money above everything else and think that CarpetRight invented the idea of democracy whilst killing the dinosaurs 3,000 years ago. So basically by the time we're the crusty old folks gerontocracy really will be the best system of government, because all the younguns will be awful. Yay. (great effortpost, thanks)
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My wife is a governor in a small village primary school and age is massively angry about this and will probably resign. For her the concern is the huge level of support managerialy that such schools get in terms of policy support and implementation, training and mentor ship for Heads etc. Without the LA they will have to buy this in from the private sector which is I guess what the government want.
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Academisation sounds like the dead cat they want to use to distract Labour and the media from the budget. There is no real reason to announce it at the same time because its not a budget dependent measure.
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I'll edit this out because I don't want another Great Humanities vs STEM war. That was not the intention of saying it, rather that the curriculum will be unbalanced. In actuality what you are finding is the take up of the 'hard' subjects like sciences is falling in academies. haakman fucked around with this message at 13:12 on Mar 16, 2016 |
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haakman posted:I'll edit this out because I don't want another Great Humanities vs STEM war. That was not the intention of saying it, rather that the curriculum will be unbalanced. Maybe the curriculum being more tilted towards marketable skills is not the worst thing?
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I get what you were going for. The T and E parts often have a 'this will get me the megabucks' attitude behind them, but the S and M ( ) parts have as much critical thinking behind them as philosophy and the humanities, just of a different sort. Horses for courses and all that.Unfortunately the critical thinking of any of them seems to be second fiddle to what someone with a PPE degree believes reality to be at the moment. Pesky Splinter posted:(See also; Drug policy, education, welfare policies, NHS, etc, etc)
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