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nm posted:You like cars that drive well IIRC. Buy a Mazda 2 (stick shift only). Its basically a 4 door, FWD miata with even less power. And those old miatas, not the fancy ones with the electronics. Thanks. I've always liked the 2, so I'll look for one.
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So I have fully settled on getting a Honda Civic, drove a number of cars and the 2012 seemed the perfect size for me and the steering was reasonably tight (compared to corolla and mazda3). My only concern is that I know that the 2012 is kind of a odd duck with the 2013 right after it. I didn't really mind the lower quality interior but I have heard that the 2013 is a better ride. I plan on giving the 2013 a ride to see if it is much of a improvement so I am sure that will influence things. My concern is that while I can find 2012 civics for $12k at 40k miles, all civics that are 2013 and earlier are $15-16k for about 30-40k miles. Have any of you had an experience with the two models that would give you a opinion on if the price jump is worth it? EDIT: The one feature of the 2013 I do pine for is the Backup Camera ShimmyGuy fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Mar 16, 2016 |
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Demostrs posted:Proposed Budget: Up to $10k The Fusion is a salvage title, so run the gently caress away. Between the other two choices, I'd go for the Prius, but have it checked out. It's probably around the end of the battery warranty. I'd still go for an $8200 gen 2 Prius and a $1500-2500 battery replacement over a $10900 Elantra in similar condition, though.
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Mar 16, 2016 17:18
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Space Gopher posted:The Fusion is a salvage title, so run the gently caress away. Cool, thanks for helping us dodge a bullet with the Fusion. I'll tell her what you had to say, but one more quick question. Is there any way of knowing how much lifespan the current battery in the Prius has, or is that something that we should do right away because it is out of warranty?
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Mar 16, 2016 17:50
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MechaFrogzilla posted:Was also curious about this one. A friend of mine recommended buying used cars coming off lease, with the justification that they'd already burned through the worst of their depreciation. Do they tend to have some of the same issues rentals do, albeit in a less intense fashion? I am far, far less concerned about a lease than a rental. Even if the driver doesn't "own" the car it is still "their" car for a few years. Especially for a higher end car where there's some image/prestige with keeping it nice, as well as penalties if you turn in an abused/damaged lease. I would even wager that the majority of 2-4 year old used cars are off-lease cars, whether they are advertised as such or not. It's a bit different when you've got a rental-spec rental Chevy Cruze for your Vegas weekend. That kind of car just gets beat on relentlessly its entire life. Sure there are always dickheads who abuse their leases, but that's true with traditionally owned cars, too.
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Mar 16, 2016 18:26
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Ingenium posted:EDIT: The one feature of the 2013 I do pine for is the Backup Camera The 2013 backup camera is really nice. Far superior to the Prius' for example. You're basically paying $3k for a backup camera if the miles are that close. It's up to you if that is worth it. I imagine you can add a janky backup camera to the 2012 for $500 at a totally won't burn your car down they double promise car audio shop. My wife really wanted a backup camera and we wanted to skip the first model year CVT in the 2014, which basically made the choice for us.
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Mar 16, 2016 19:02
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H110Hawk posted:we wanted to skip the first model year CVT in the 2014, which basically made the choice for us. Has this been shown to be a issue? I am also looking at a CVT.
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Mar 16, 2016 19:55
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Backup cameras are loving stupid on compact sedans. Turn your god drat head around.
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Mar 16, 2016 21:06
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Backup cameras are loving stupid on compact sedans. Turn your god drat head around. Outside of your visibility assumptions, backup cameras are great for tight parking situations. Having a line where your actual bumper and corners are is amazing. Yes you can do it all without it, but why not let technology help? Especially since we are not all driving gods. Ingenium posted:Has this been shown to be a issue? I am also looking at a CVT. Not to my knowledge, it was a year ago when we bought it and focused more on it being the first model year of it than anything else. It was also a little cheaper to get the 2013.
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Mar 16, 2016 21:33
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I'm good at parallel parking, but with the backup camera in my wife's 3 I am basically a parking god.
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Mar 16, 2016 21:42
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H110Hawk posted:Outside of your visibility assumptions, backup cameras are great for tight parking situations. Having a line where your actual bumper and corners are is amazing. Yes you can do it all without it, but why not let technology help? Especially since we are not all driving gods. Three thousand dollars is an absurd premium to pay for a not very useful feature.
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Mar 16, 2016 22:12
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Three thousand dollars is an absurd premium to pay for a not very useful feature. I believe I actually specifically mentioned that (without using the word absurd) along with an alternative way to get a backup camera. For us the integration was worth the cash over a 2012. Not everyone needs it to be the cheapest/best bang for the buck. Someone has to buy Audi's.
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I have to say with brute honesty the only people more desperate to talk to you than Nice Guys Who Don't Like Seeing You Date Jerks are car salesmen. I had ONE question about a used car because it read as automatic but clearly had a stick, and the fuckers call me like three times a day. I don't understand leasing. What's the point? It seems like a long term rental to me only the company will make you pay out the rear end if anything's broken. I remember there was some car giveaway on a radio station here....and every day a member of the station would tear around town in this new car and would brag about where they took it. So by the time the promotion was over, a car less than a year old had about 90k miles on it, had gotten bare maintenance, and it was a loving mess from people off-roading it in when it's a drat sedan. Who the gently caress wants a "free" car you have to pay taxes on right off, only to haul it to the shop and find it's barely fit for scrap metal?
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Mar 16, 2016 23:51
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Cowslips Warren posted:I have to say with brute honesty the only people more desperate to talk to you than Nice Guys Who Don't Like Seeing You Date Jerks are car salesmen. I had ONE question about a used car because it read as automatic but clearly had a stick, and the fuckers call me like three times a day. You gave them a real phone number? There is a narrow set of circumstances where leasing makes sense. Typically it has to do with face to face sales or similar where you need to always have a nice car which always runs. The lease payment is an easy tax write off because it is by definition the depreciation on the vehicle. If you are the kind of person with more money than sense who wants to always drive a <=3 year old car it is way easier to lease.
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Mar 17, 2016 00:08
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Cowslips Warren posted:I don't understand leasing. What's the point? It seems like a long term rental to me only the company will make you pay out the rear end if anything's broken. The car is under warranty. It's for people who want a new car every few years or are using a car for their business. You are financing depreciation rather than purchase price.
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Mar 17, 2016 02:00
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If you have car ADD and good credit leasing can make sense in a way. These people who enjoy flushing money down the toilet are basically all the 2-3 year old used cars you see.
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What sucks is that I want a 2nd generation prius. the 3rd generation is smaller on the inside, and bigger on the outside, for no good goddamn reason. But there are a million 2011 priuses on the lot because of people turning them over after 3-4 years, and the only 2009 priuses have been sitting on the lot for 287 days because they are in garbage condition on lovely corner lots on the rear end-end of west county. If people didn't sell/return them after 3-4 years, they are going to drive them into the dirt, like I was going to. Probably going to end up settling for a newer car that I don't like as well for more money, just so I can get this poo poo done.
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Mar 17, 2016 03:08
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H110Hawk posted:Outside of your visibility assumptions, backup cameras are great for tight parking situations. Having a line where your actual bumper and corners are is amazing. Yes you can do it all without it, but why not let technology help? Especially since we are not all driving gods. They are nice for backing out of parking spots between two humongous vehicles. They allow you to see around the corner of the big cars. It's not a killer feature, but is nice. The cameras suck in the rain when there are droplets on the lens though.
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The analysis paralysis is real for this purchase. I went out and got to test drive the 2013 Honda Civic. The interior was allot nicer and I did like the backup camera, but when I was test driving the steering seems to have way less resistance than I remembered with the 2012. I am coming from a FR-S so I have grow to love heavy steering, though I guess I would get use to it with time? It was actually the thing that made me also dislike my test drive with the Mazda3. One thing I noticed was that between the Honda Civic 2013 and the Prius Two 2013, I have about the same options for mileage/price. It looks like it would be either going with a $15k Prius with 40k miles, or going with 2012 for $13k for the same miles. Is there any practical reason to choose the Civic over the slightly more expensive Prius? I know that you guys seem all rock hard for the Prius.
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I have good lines on two cars (there's no mazda 2s anywhere near here). 2012 Scion xD with 43k on it and a 2015 Versa Note with 3k. Both are $12000 and both are manual. I know the Scion is a fantastic car that I will be happy with aside from its purple color, but the Note is newer and has no miles. But I know nothing about the note.
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Mar 17, 2016 05:39
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Purple is a great color and I wish more cars were it
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Mar 17, 2016 05:47
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Mr. Wiggles posted:I have good lines on two cars (there's no mazda 2s anywhere near here). 2012 Scion xD with 43k on it and a 2015 Versa Note with 3k. Both are $12000 and both are manual. I know the Scion is a fantastic car that I will be happy with aside from its purple color, but the Note is newer and has no miles. But I know nothing about the note. $12k sounds like a ludicrous price for a 5 year old subcompact hatchback. Weren't they only about $15k brand new?
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Yep. But that's Reno/NoCal
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New Nissans do not seem to age well, though I can't speak for the versa note in particular.
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Ingenium posted:The analysis paralysis is real for this purchase. I went out and got to test drive the 2013 Honda Civic. The interior was allot nicer and I did like the backup camera, but when I was test driving the steering seems to have way less resistance than I remembered with the 2012. I am coming from a FR-S so I have grow to love heavy steering, though I guess I would get use to it with time? It was actually the thing that made me also dislike my test drive with the Mazda3. One thing I noticed was that between the Honda Civic 2013 and the Prius Two 2013, I have about the same options for mileage/price. It looks like it would be either going with a $15k Prius with 40k miles, or going with 2012 for $13k for the same miles. Is there any practical reason to choose the Civic over the slightly more expensive Prius? I know that you guys seem all rock hard for the Prius. I would buy the civic.
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If I buy a "certified pre-owned" car, does that mean I don't have to worry about anything being wrong with it?
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punk rebel ecks posted:If I buy a "certified pre-owned" car, does that mean I don't have to worry about anything being wrong with it? All it means is that you bought an extended warranty that may or may not cover anything important. It doesn't even necessarily mean the dealer looked over the car. This isn't to say they're never a good idea, but most people seem to think it means Toyota or Honda or whoever had their own mechanic do an in depth inspection or something and deem the car super awesome bulletproof.
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punk rebel ecks posted:If I buy a "certified pre-owned" car, does that mean I don't have to worry about anything being wrong with it? It doesn't guarantee anything positive. Now if you're buying a new (2-3 yo) luxury car from a dealership and it is NOT certified PO, then run cause something is wrong with the car.
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Mar 18, 2016 00:28
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drat you awful app
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tesilential posted:It doesn't guarantee anything positive. Well a luxury car's warranty is usually 4 years or more, so a 2 or 3 YO one would still be under factory warranty and most mfgs allow you to buy an extended warranty as long as the factory warranty is still in effect.
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Thanks for the replies. So assuming that I get it from a popular dealer is warranty is only good for that dealership only or nationwide? Is there a way to make sure the dealer takes a thorough look at the car? I wish thing were as simple as me saying "can you guys inspect the car to see if anything is wrong with it", but I assume they are going to lie. Like is there a way I could ask them to take the car to a third party mechanic?
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Third party mechanic is the best option, even if it's CPO.
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Throatwarbler posted:Well a luxury car's warranty is usually 4 years or more, so a 2 or 3 YO one would still be under factory warranty and most mfgs allow you to buy an extended warranty as long as the factory warranty is still in effect. I think his point is that because of the huge margins on CPOs that if a lixury car isn't CPOed on its own dealer lot, there is something wrong.
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antiga posted:Third party mechanic is the best option, even if it's CPO. And most dealers would be cool with me asking them to take the car into a local Firestone to get it checked out?
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If a dealer won't let you do a PPO, don't buy a car from them. Only shady as gently caress dealers do that.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Thanks for the replies. So assuming that I get it from a popular dealer is warranty is only good for that dealership only or nationwide? If it's a real certified pre owned by the manufacturer you get a warranty that is good at any of the dealers that service that vehicle. Here's a breakdown of programs if your offered program doesn't fit exactly what you see then the dealer is "dealer certifying it" and tagging on a warranty and charging 3k more for a car with a 1000 dollar poo poo warranty that covers bumper scuffs. http://www.cars.com/go/advice/shopping/cpo/programs/programGuide.jsp
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tater_salad posted:If it's a real certified pre owned by the manufacturer you get a warranty that is good at any of the dealers that service that vehicle. Interesting. Saw this in the Toyota section: tater_salad posted:Reconditioning and 160-point inspection (non-hybrids) or 174-point inspection (hybrids) I will assume this isn't done with great quality.
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I don't know how the dealer and manufacturer do it but my guess is if someone buys a cpo and the inspection part dies that toyota probably yanks their cpo ability if it happens often... Or it doesn't becsuse the manufacturer doesn't care and wants the dealers to cpo as much as possible. Edit for reference..my honda 2023 40k honda had new pads new brakes new tires new battery put in it as part of inspection.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Interesting. "Does it have wheels?" *check*
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How will you be using the car?: 16 round trip commute (can plug in at home (L1) and work(L2 $1/hr)) and 3-4 cross country trips a year. (Before you think it, I don't want a leaf+rental car) What aspects are most important to you? Getting a good deal. Domestic, NVH, and air conditioning also pluses. Slightly abbreviated the op but I'm looking at a CPO 2013 Chevy Volt lease return, 23k miles. 225mpg lifetime, so all but about 4K~ miles have been on the battery if I did my math right. All options except sunroof and navi, spotless inside and out except for a little rash on one wheel, a scuffed airdamn skirt, and a touched up minor scratch on the rear bumper. No paint overspray, weird tire wear patterns, panel alignment issues, or leaky/weapy fluids. Asking 15k sticker, and 16.8k OTD, North Texas, cash deal, in budget. Got them down to 16.2k OTD, but how much better can I reasonably do? I'm in no rush as I've got a working car, but want a nice commuter. Before you say Prius, I test drove one and the volt was in a different ballpark in regards to ride quality/noise/etc. Edit: forgot the b2b warranty will run through 6/17 with the 12/12 GM CPO extended warranty. blugu64 fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Mar 18, 2016 |
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