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Yeah but they kind of shut it down with his reaction to the gay security guy in the episode with the pickup artist.
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The woman was in the middle of the bed and Lucifer made the Eiffel Tower reference earlier that episode, I think, giving everyone some plausible deniability. Of course Lucifer would go for both though, imo. They could have done a lot worse with Security guy since the brush off Lucifer gave him was something like, "My dance card is full right now." But yeah, tricky situation, I agree, since if you make him too interested then people might infer you're saying homosexuality is sinful. Though right now he seems to be ignoring it, which is probably worse. odiv fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Mar 16, 2016 |
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I still can't believe that I learned what an 'eiffel tower' was from Scream Queens, and Lucifer is the only other place I've seen it mentioned.
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I don't think ignoring it is really worse. It might be from a purely ethical standpoint, but it's not from a business/want to keep making the show standpoint. Look at the loving disaster that is going on with the 100 right now.
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Snak posted:Look at the loving disaster that is going on with the 100 right now. That show is fine, it's the batshit tumblr brigade acting out.
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WarLocke posted:That show is fine, it's the batshit tumblr brigade acting out. Of course, but if I was a writer, and I didn't want the batship tumblr brigade to plaster my show all over facebook for being "part of the problem", I would just avoid the issue by not putting it in my show for mainstream audiences. Again, I'm not saying it's ethically right to avoid talking about minority issues, but it's certainly socially and financially safe to do so.
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Snak posted:Of course, but if I was a writer, and I didn't want the batship tumblr brigade to plaster my show all over facebook for being "part of the problem", I would just avoid the issue by not putting it in my show for mainstream audiences. Again, I'm not saying it's ethically right to avoid talking about minority issues, but it's certainly socially and financially safe to do so. Or you could just ignore the crazy people. Avoiding the issue (if you wanted to address it to begin with) us, in a sense, caving to the expected response right up-front.
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stop reading my erotic fanfiction
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WarLocke posted:Avoiding the issue (if you wanted to address it to begin with) us, in a sense, caving to the expected response right up-front. The Iron Rose posted:stop reading my erotic fanfiction
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Snak posted:You say this as if "anticipating your audience" isn't an aspect of the for-profit entertainment industry. Yeah, the 'for-profit' bit is the real stickler there. But let's just let this tangent lie before I start getting all anti-capitalism in here.
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WarLocke posted:I still can't believe that I learned what an 'eiffel tower' was from Scream Queens, and Lucifer is the only other place I've seen it mentioned. I learned about the Houdini maneuver from a military briefing, turns out it's considered a form of rape.
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Mr.Pibbleton posted:I learned about the Houdini maneuver from a military briefing, turns out it's considered a form of rape. Yeah, it's pretty loving sad that people need that explained to them. But given that they do, it's good that people explain it.
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Mr.Pibbleton posted:Houdini maneuver Why did I google this 
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That's actually not what I thought it was...
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I really want them to lean heavier on the actual supernatural stuff, the regular police drama just bores me when Lucifer isn't around to make fun of it.
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evilmiera posted:I really want them to lean heavier on the actual supernatural stuff, the regular police drama just bores me when Lucifer isn't around to make fun of it. Yeah the procedural part is pretty loving bad. Like "I could write this part of the show in my sleep" bad. Obvious suspect -> alibi -> second suspect is suspicious -> first suspect's alibi falls apart -> it was the first suspect. CASE SOLVE PAT ON THE BACK.  However, the episode before this last one didn't even have a case of the week and was just revising the previous suspicious cop shooting. So there's a little bit of home that they could transition into doing more episodes like that.
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Snak posted:Yeah the procedural part is pretty loving bad. Like "I could write this part of the show in my sleep" bad. When I saw that, my thought was "finally, this show is getting into the formula." I thought this episode was the best so far, and the show might actually be OK. They've gotten over that bit at the start of every police procedural where they have to lean on the twist really hard and now they can settle in and just make the show the way it's supposed to be.
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Snak posted:...when you say "that", are you referring to the only part of my post that you didn't quote? I like procedurals. I think the bigger story gets in the way of the bits I like. I want the formulaic case of the week, not the rest of it. I hope they don't focus on the big mystery and just keep that as a background thing. Focusing on the bigger stories is what ruins these shows.
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Tiggum posted:I like procedurals. I think the bigger story gets in the way of the bits I like. I want the formulaic case of the week, not the rest of it. I hope they don't focus on the big mystery and just keep that as a background thing. Focusing on the bigger stories is what ruins these shows. But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm saying that so far, the procedural cases are super boring because there's no effort put into making them engaging. They are literally a cut and past formula that is the same every. single. episode. Down to the quips when they arrest people.
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Snak posted:But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm saying that so far, the procedural cases are super boring because there's no effort put into making them engaging. They are literally a cut and past formula that is the same every. single. episode. Down to the quips when they arrest people. I mean, Lucifer almost talked a guy off a building in this one.
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But character bits like that will exist completely independent of the case of the week. There's always gonna be a gimmick for one of the suspects. Sometimes they will be suicidal, sometimes they will be a crazy shipper, sometimes they will hold the world high score in 3d Tetris. But the gimmick suspect will never be the guilty one.
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Tiggum posted:I like procedurals. I think the bigger story gets in the way of the bits I like. I want the formulaic case of the week, not the rest of it. I hope they don't focus on the big mystery and just keep that as a background thing. Focusing on the bigger stories is what ruins these shows. What you want would be like Supernatural still fighting haunted trucks and bug swarms in season 45 or whatever theyre on. There has to be a big story to carry through.
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Tiggum posted:I like procedurals. This answers so many questions
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I hate procedurals in general with a passion and still appreciate Lucifer. 
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I think procedural is kind of a dirty word even though a lot of people would actually like the format. For example, most of the issues I hear about The Flash are only really solved if you get rid of the overarching story and just have him be "wisecracking Barry saving the day every week".
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I don't mind procedural shows per se - the problem is when a show/episode is ONLY a procedural. A procedural A plot is fine if you don't want to make a show that's 100% serialized, but you should find a way to make the B plot tie into the overarcing metaplot in some way. A good example of this is Person of Interest (which is starting up again soon!): The first season is pretty number-of-the-week, but there's some hint or progression for the show's main plot hidden somewhere in virtually every episode.
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There isn't anything wrong with a 100% procedural show, but you can't have ever episode be the same really generic formula. You can't have Law&Order where every case unfolds the same way.
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computer parts posted:I mean, Lucifer almost talked a guy off a building in this one. He talked a guy off a building in a previous episode, just last time it was off the edge of the building
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hangedman1984 posted:He talked a guy off a building in a previous episode, just last time it was off the edge of the building See, now he's seen both sides, he knows which one he prefers.
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Snak posted:But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm saying that so far, the procedural cases are super boring because there's no effort put into making them engaging. They are literally a cut and past formula that is the same every. single. episode. Down to the quips when they arrest people. Snak posted:But character bits like that will exist completely independent of the case of the week. There's always gonna be a gimmick for one of the suspects. Sometimes they will be suicidal, sometimes they will be a crazy shipper, sometimes they will hold the world high score in 3d Tetris. FRINGE posted:What you want would be like Supernatural still fighting haunted trucks and bug swarms in season 45 or whatever theyre on. Snak posted:There isn't anything wrong with a 100% procedural show, but you can't have ever episode be the same really generic formula. You can't have Law&Order where every case unfolds the same way.
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The problem is there's a million procedurals you can watch already. If you enjoy that stuff great, but the rest of us would like a more supernatural themed show starring the loving devil being a smarmy rear end mother fucker. Give us what we want with Lucifer, and you can continue to enjoy CSI: Ann Arbor or whatever.
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counterfeitsaint posted:The problem is there's a million procedurals you can watch already. If you enjoy that stuff great, but the rest of us would like a more supernatural themed show starring the loving devil being a smarmy rear end mother fucker. Give us what we want with Lucifer, and you can continue to enjoy CSI: Ann Arbor or whatever. You know, I'm not actually in charge of the show. What I want doesn't automatically come to pass. We're just talking in this thread about what we'd like to see from this show and I shared my opinion.
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Tell me, Tiggum, what do you desire?
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Tiggum posted:Yep, that's how procedurals work. It's really not. Have you ever watched M*A*S*H?
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Snak posted:It's really not. Um, yeah. It was a sitcom, not a procedural. 
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Fair enough. What about CSI? Surely that is a procedural, and yet not all of their cases unfold the exact same way. It has much more variety than Lucifer does so far. Because it's a better show. And I mean real CSI for like the first 5 seasons, not all the garbage spin-offs.
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Snak posted:Fair enough. What about CSI? Surely that is a procedural, and yet not all of their cases unfold the exact same way. It has much more variety than Lucifer does so far. Because it's a better show. I remember CSI being fairly formulaic, but it's been ages since I watched any of them (except for about three episodes of CSI Cyber when it started) and mostly preferred CSI Miami anyway.
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counterfeitsaint posted:The problem is there's a million procedurals you can watch already. If you enjoy that stuff great, but the rest of us would like a more supernatural themed show starring the loving devil being a smarmy rear end mother fucker. Give us what we want with Lucifer, and you can continue to enjoy CSI: Ann Arbor or whatever. It's actually pretty rare to find a non-serialized genre show. Supernatural used to be one and it's kinda been going back that way the past few seasons, but that's about it.
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