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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/16/france-state-of-emergency-many-forms-pupils-allowed-to-smoke-in-school-parisquote:But one of France’s lesser-known special safety precautions against terror attacks is that high-school children, aged around 15 and up, are now allowed to smoke in their own school playgrounds. Is this real? 
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Xoidanor posted:http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/16/france-state-of-emergency-many-forms-pupils-allowed-to-smoke-in-school-paris Which bit? It seems pretty sensible to me.
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Jippa posted:Which bit? It seems pretty sensible to me. Unless Paris is turning into Baghdad anytime soon the second-hand smoke will kill more people than any terror attack ever would. It's just such a weird policy decision.
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Xoidanor posted:Unless Paris is turning into Baghdad anytime soon the second-hand smoke will kill more people than any terror attack ever would. It's just such a weird policy decision. It was pretty much the same in the UK when I was at school, maybe not outside the gates but 10 metres away behind a building.
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Xoidanor posted:Unless Paris is turning into Baghdad anytime soon the second-hand smoke will kill more people than any terror attack ever would. It's just such a weird policy decision. It's security theater, same as extending the state of emergency every 3 months until Daesh is destroyed (as the Prime Minister said) and putting Muslims under house arrest because they shaved their beards. Edit: You want weird policy decisions? They're allowing cops to request to take their guns home now, in case a terrorist tries to shoot them on the way to/from the police station (happened to one cop during the Charlie Hebdo attack). What if the policemen have kids and no place to store their gun safely? gently caress knows. Kassad fucked around with this message at 10:30 on Mar 18, 2016 |
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As the refugee deal with Turkey seems to take shape, it will be very interesting to see how refugees react once they learn that their chances to get relocated to Germany are ~19% based on the quota already agreed on (source http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affair...on_annex_en.pdf)? I guess you could make a killer webshow, where a group of 100 refugees gets distributed between EU countries by competing in silly challenges, maybe even include online/telephone voting? Xoidanor posted:http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/16/france-state-of-emergency-many-forms-pupils-allowed-to-smoke-in-school-paris Maybe they could just send a police officer to enforce the actual laws in front of the school instead of actively helping their children to ruin their health? But France is strange anyway. GaussianCopula fucked around with this message at 10:27 on Mar 18, 2016 |
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GaussianCopula posted:Maybe they could just send a police officer to enforce the actual laws in front of the school instead of actively helping their children to ruin their health? But France is strange anyway. "Just sending a police officer" would mean having enough police officers to just send them in front of every collège and lycée, which means hiring more cops, which is absolutely out of question since, as you know, cops are public function workers, and therefore an abomination unto the LORD they God Austerityaveh.
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And here is what David Cameron was focused on during this summit, Tampon VAT. For some reason it's bad if you tax them, because women need them regularly. By that logic a lot of stuff should not be taxed, so I'm not sure why this is such a big deal.quote:Prime Minister David Cameron won backing at a European Union summit on Thursday to end the so-called "tampon tax" that has become a political soccer for Britons campaigning to leave the EU in a June referendum. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-tampontax-idUSKCN0WJ2YV
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It's allowed to have different types of products at different levels of VAT.quote:Eurosceptics accusing Brussels of sexism have seized on complaints that tampons and other female hygiene products carry a sales tax of 5 percent in Britain while other goods such as razors, mainly used by men, are exempt from VAT. However, it's not Brussels which decides what is taxed and what isn't (or what is taxed, but at a 0% rate). It's the nation. The EU merely makes it hard to switch stuff from one category to another, and would rather see less exceptions than more. So the UK can claim all they want that Brussels is sexist because tampons are taxed while razors aren't, but if that's the case, it's only because it was already the case before 1973, and Europe would be more in favor of taxing razors than of exempting tampons.
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I'm pretty sure razors are taxed here anyway.
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GaussianCopula posted:And here is what David Cameron was focused on during this summit, Tampon VAT. For some reason it's bad if you tax them, because women need them regularly. By that logic a lot of stuff should not be taxed, so I'm not sure why this is such a big deal. It's specifically that tampons are more expensive because they're legally classed as a 'luxury' item, which anyone who's ever spoken to someone on their period would know is patronising bullshit. Cameron got a lot of grief over this considering our economy's in the shitter and the price of something needed regularly matters.
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Tampons might have been a luxury item before '73, and EU not allowing it to be re-classified is bullshit. Still, British women can be glad it's just 5% and not 20% like elsewhere.
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Tesseraction posted:It's specifically that tampons are more expensive because they're legally classed as a 'luxury' item, which anyone who's ever spoken to someone on their period would know is patronising bullshit. Cameron got a lot of grief over this considering our economy's in the shitter and the price of something needed regularly matters. Jesus Christ, that's the kind of argument that anti-EU advocates managed to come up with? Seriously, what's is wrong with people on this planet? Tax the freaking razors and let's get on with this shitshow. It's not like we don't have any real problems.
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waitwhatno posted:Jesus Christ, that's the kind of argument that anti-EU advocates managed to come up with? Seriously, what's is wrong with people on this planet? Well, it's the only line of attack he could do anything about. The more realistic concerns such as parliamentary sovereignty and immigration are poo poo Cameron can't do anything about, so he's taken the only thing he can potentially score a win over. In the overarching debate, this is small poo poo no-one cares about, but for the people affected it's a nice outcome. Nothing more.
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https://twitter.com/dannyctkemp/status/710837427573809153 Better get on a boat today.
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GaussianCopula posted:https://twitter.com/dannyctkemp/status/710837427573809153 "We're going to send refugees back under the care of a up and coming dictator! Woohoo!"
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Congratulations on escaping from Assad's brutal regime, now enjoy Erdogan's moderately lovely one!
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Are these sort of relocations even legal?
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If you make the boat ride and are returned to Turkey, does it kill your chances of being selected for asylum in the future?
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Freezer posted:If you make the boat ride and are returned to Turkey, does it kill your chances of being selected for asylum in the future? You get a "lower priority" than those people that did not enter the EU illegally, which basically means yes, no chance for you to get relocated directly from Turkey. YF-23 posted:Are these sort of relocations even legal? It's legal until there is a legally binding judgement that it's not.
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https://twitter.com/elenacmontanez/status/710853295657652225 Having done that, they will be required to cut down the mightiest tree in the forest.... with a herring!
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arretez les bateauxLemonDrizzle posted:https://twitter.com/elenacmontanez/status/710853295657652225 Hercules: can I have another go at the Hydra instead
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GaussianCopula posted:You get a "lower priority" than those people that did not enter the EU illegally, which basically means yes, no chance for you to get relocated directly from Turkey. I don't think you understand how 'refugees' work. Sure hope the despotic dictator they are fleeing gives them time to fill out the proper forms!
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GaussianCopula posted:You get a "lower priority" than those people that did not enter the EU illegally, which basically means yes, no chance for you to get relocated directly from Turkey. So, basically if you're a genuine refugee from places like Syria, and desperate enough to risk entering the EU illegaly, welcome to up-and-coming hellhole Turkey, but if you're one of the calculating migrants from places like Algeria or Morocco and know to just squat in Turkey for awhile, thanks to social media, you'll get express relocation? Wonderful logic there.  But I guess it's just numbers and who cares, they're all brown people anyway amirite? *sigh*Welp...gonna be interesting to watch how well Greece does in rounding up all of the ones already on their side. My guess is 'not at all'.
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CommieGIR posted:I don't think you understand how 'refugees' work. Sure hope the despotic dictator they are fleeing gives them time to fill out the proper forms! That's how the US are doing it. But the refugees in question here can flee to Turkey and apply there for resettlement (relocation is what might happen to the refugees currently in Greece) in the EU. If you don't fill out the correct forms, you will have to stay in Turkey. Should you try to get to Europe anyway via smugglers, you will get send back to Turkey. CrazyLoon posted:So, basically if you're a genuine refugee from places like Syria, and desperate enough to risk entering the EU illegaly, welcome to up-and-coming hellhole Turkey, but if you're one of the calculating migrants from places like Algeria or Morocco and know to just squat in Turkey for awhile, thanks to social media, you'll get express relocation? Wonderful logic there. No, only Syrians are allowed to apply for resettlement and given that the supply of spots will be much smaller than the demand, expect fairly tight checks on whether people are really from Syria.
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GaussianCopula posted:No, only Syrians are allowed to apply for resettlement and given that the supply of spots will be much smaller than the demand, expect fairly tight checks on whether people are really from Syria. At least there's that...still, the most desperate ones in need of asylum will get hosed it seems.
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CrazyLoon posted:At least there's that...still, the most desperate ones in need of asylum will get hosed it seems. I don't think you can simplify it like that. You could also argue the comparatively richer, stronger, more resilient get hosed while others that are much worse of now actually have a shot at getting into the EU and there is no longer an incentive to risk your life crossing the Aegean.
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CrazyLoon posted:At least there's that...still, the most desperate ones in need of asylum will get hosed it seems. Yes, but they will no longer be Europe's problem, so MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
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Freezer posted:Yes, but they will no longer be Europe's problem, so MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! Well it looks like they might use that banner in another context today https://twitter.com/jimbrunsden/status/710863905644539905
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GaussianCopula posted:That's how the US are* doing it. *is. I'm sure Turkey is a-okay with taking the brunt of these refugees, its not like Turkey has any beef with any specific religious sects at the moment..... ....wait a minute.
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V. Illych L. posted:the focus with closing the balkan route is also stupid in a big way. if there's one thing refugee crises have taught us, it's that people can and will find new, less safe routes when the safer ones are closed down I don't know if we are watching the same game unfold here but team Europe clearly is not part of that "us". They haven't learned anything except how to dig their heads into the sand and ignore reality.
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V. Illych L. posted:the focus with closing the balkan route is also stupid in a big way. if there's one thing refugee crises have taught us, it's that people can and will find new, less safe routes when the safer ones are closed down I think this agreement is basically the EU saying: We're okay with you drowning. We've done our part 
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V. Illych L. posted:the focus with closing the balkan route is also stupid in a big way. if there's one thing refugee crises have taught us, it's that people can and will find new, less safe routes when the safer ones are closed down I don't think you can argue that the number of refugees arriving is not dependent on the question of how expansive and how dangerous it is to get to Europe. You won't be able to reduce the number of arrivals to zero, but you can reduce it substantially.
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GaussianCopula posted:I don't think you can argue that the number of refugees arriving is not dependent on the question of how expansive and how dangerous it is to get to Europe. You won't be able to reduce the number of arrivals to zero, but you can reduce it substantially. 2,600 dead and climbing. Yeah, this isn't looking good for you. Its not going to stop them. Just increase risk. You'll just have more deaths on your hands, but I guess deaths don't cost anything now, do they?
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V. Illych L. posted:the focus with closing the balkan route is also stupid in a big way. if there's one thing refugee crises have taught us, it's that people can and will find new, less safe routes when the safer ones are closed down Less people will come though, and it's pretty obvious that new routes will be closed as they appear considering that Fortress Europe is apparently the chosen path... There's a finite amount of easily accesible routes to Europe, while the will to stop them is a lot less finite. If the flow isn't stemmed there will likely be other solutions that considers human rights even less if what we've seen so far is any guide. It's not like Europe's going to be more welcoming in the near future either, looking at the political climate. Who's going to enforce human rights in Europe if Europe collectively decides not to honour them?
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