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I'm getting this lovely bit of compilation errors trying to launch after Heart of Stone installed and rig was booted quote:Error game\gui\menus\gwintgamemenu.ws(104): I dont know any 'TE_HERO_GWENT_MATCH_STARTED' Apparently it's related to engine compiling from different folder than vanilla. Any sure fixes for those specific scripts?
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Mar 23, 2016 09:53
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:It probably is but I could not pick that ending when Geralt’s entire arc is about how he’s sick of politics and manipulation and just wants to look out for the people he cares for, and Ciri’s arc is about how she’s sick of people trying to shape her and tell her what she needs to do because of the circumstances of her birth. To unlock the Empress ending you need to not be a cool dad at least once and take her to her dad when she wants to go to Bald Mountain - the sort of choice that otherwise leads to the bad ending - and we know she’s in for an arranged marriage at least. It just doesn't feel right. I dont quite agree here taking Ciri to the Emperor is being a cool dad because a lot of what that entails is realising Ciri is not a child and letting her be here own woman. When you choose take her to the Emperor Geralt offers her a choice and she thinks that it is right to see what he has to say, obviously you have to turn down the money. She then chooses to be Empress because she knows she can do good and gives up the life she wants of running around with her old man in order to do that, it shows how mature she is and is completely what her character would do. Its incredibly bittersweet as her and Geralt wont probably see each other again but nothing in the world works out perfectly, its probably my favourite ending.
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Mar 23, 2016 10:35
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Except when you read the books and know that Emhyr tried kidnapping her twice before in order to force her to have a child with him because of some prophecy and Ciri was actively hiding from him protected by the witchers. He doesn't care about her as his daughter at all, he's only interested in her giving him a son who is supposed to rule the world (at least in the books). Letting her meet him is basically a step father bringing his daughter back to her insane abusive biological dad and is entirely hosed up. It's not presented like that in the game though and is a different story if you don't know about that past.
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Mar 23, 2016 10:53
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Palpek posted:Except when you read the books and know that Emhyr tried kidnapping her twice before in order to force her to have a child with him because of some prophecy and Ciri was actively hiding from him protected by the witchers. He doesn't care about her as his daughter at all, he's only interested in her giving him a son who is supposed to rule the world (at least in the books). Letting her meet him is basically a step father bringing his daughter back to her insane abusive biological dad and is entirely hosed up. It's not presented like that in the game though and is a different story if you don't know about that past. He's not insane or abusive, he's an ultrapatriot, and if prophesy says her son will conquer the entire world he wants to make it so it happens under Nilfgard empire banner, whatever it takes.
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Mar 23, 2016 11:31
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Pyromancer posted:He's not insane or abusive, he's an ultrapatriot, and if prophesy says her son will conquer the entire world he wants to make it so it happens under Nilfgard empire banner, whatever it takes. He was going to rape his daughter. That seems pretty obviously abusive. 
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Mar 23, 2016 11:35
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Pyromancer posted:He's not insane or abusive, he's an ultrapatriot, and if prophesy says her son will conquer the entire world he wants to make it so it happens under Nilfgard empire banner, whatever it takes.
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Mar 23, 2016 11:48
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:He was going to rape his daughter. That seems pretty obviously abusive. Not because it's the only way he ever gets a boner, because it's a political necessity - an unrecognized bastard daughter has much lower chances to inherit and be accepted, than emperor's legitimate son. #JustRoyalThings
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Mar 23, 2016 11:52
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you have a pretty narrow definition of abusive.
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Mar 23, 2016 12:01
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Pyromancer posted:Not because it's the only way he ever gets a boner, because it's a political necessity - an unrecognized bastard daughter has much lower chances to inherit and be accepted, than emperor's legitimate son. #JustRoyalThings Oh, well that makes it okay then. It's not abusive to rape your daughter if it's a political necessity, guys, sheesh.
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Mar 23, 2016 12:12
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The game stands on its own, and you are permitted to have your own relationship to the franchise based on the specific parts of it you chose to consume. "Canon" is loving stupid garbage. Someone says they didn't take Ciri to the Emperor because he's an abusive rear end in a top hat (becuase that player chooses to incorporate elements of his character from another source), that's fine. If another player choses to take her to the Emperor because none of those elements are part of this story, that's fine too, it's not an invalid choice just because you read a book where he's a jerk. edit: everyone is permitted to have their own relationship with a work, the artist is dead, long live art Comte de Saint-Germain fucked around with this message at 12:19 on Mar 23, 2016 |
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Mar 23, 2016 12:13
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Comte de Saint-Germain posted:The game stands on its own, and you are permitted to have your own relationship to the franchise based on the specific parts of it you chose to consume. "Canon" is loving stupid garbage. Someone says they didn't take Ciri to the Emperor because he's an abusive rear end in a top hat (becuase that player chooses to incorporate elements of his character from another source), that's fine. If another player choses to take her to the Emperor because none of those elements are part of this story, that's fine too, it's not an invalid choice just because you read a book where he's a jerk. It is worth noting though that the connection between the games and the books isn't as superficial as you make it sound. It's not about arguing which things are canon or not - it's more that CDPR itself references tons of main characters, their relations and past directly from the books. It's not that shocking that people are second-guessing what stuff CDPR sees as things that actually happened and which didn't as the book/game plots aren't cut clean off. In the end it's left to the consumer to decide but nontheless there's a lot of space left for discussion. Palpek fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Mar 23, 2016 |
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Mar 23, 2016 12:31
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Quote-Unquote posted:Oh, well that makes it okay then. It's not abusive to rape your daughter if it's a political necessity, guys, sheesh. Why don't my modern sensibilities apply to medieval monarchs? A blo blo bloo, he seemed like a decent guy when he only waged wars, arranged assassinations, executed dissidents and ordered genocide for empire, but loving his own daughter is crossing the line I tell you!
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Mar 23, 2016 12:42
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Pyromancer posted:An unrecognized bastard daughter has much lower chances to inherit and be accepted, than emperor's legitimate son. #JustRoyalThings Wait, she was conceived out of wedlock but they were married when she was born, Emyr just had a different name at the time. Does that still make her a bastard?
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Mar 23, 2016 12:45
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Arbite posted:Wait, she was conceived out of wedlock but they were married when she was born, Emyr just had a different name at the time. Does that still make her a bastard? Maybe, while books never detailed succession laws of the empire it wouldn't be unprecedented in real life for her not to have rights to imperial throne or less rights than children he'd get after taking the throne. To more complicate things there is a fake Cirilla around, so it certainly won't help Emhyr's case to make a 180 on that and declare he lied about it for years and this other Cirilla is the real one. Probably it's a shaky throne as is, seeing how usurper could overthrow Emhyr's dad and then Emhyr could overthrow him and return a decade later. Pyromancer fucked around with this message at 13:15 on Mar 23, 2016 |
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Mar 23, 2016 13:10
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Pyromancer posted:Why don't my modern sensibilities apply to medieval monarchs? A blo blo bloo, he seemed like a decent guy when he only waged wars, arranged assassinations, executed dissidents and ordered genocide for empire, but loving his own daughter is crossing the line I tell you! 
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Mar 23, 2016 13:13
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Pyromancer posted:Why don't my modern sensibilities apply to medieval monarchs? A blo blo bloo, he seemed like a decent guy when he only waged wars, arranged assassinations, executed dissidents and ordered genocide for empire, but loving his own daughter is crossing the line I tell you! I mean all that stuff makes him sound like a pretty bad guy too idk
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Mar 23, 2016 14:54
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Pyromancer posted:Why don't my modern sensibilities apply to medieval monarchs? A blo blo bloo, he seemed like a decent guy when he only waged wars, arranged assassinations, executed dissidents and ordered genocide for empire, but loving his own daughter is crossing the line I tell you! Radovid Was Right
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Mar 23, 2016 15:04
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I mean judging Radovid on burning innocents at the stake isn't really fair, because he's a medieval monarch in a world where magic users are literally trying to usurp power for themselves. He's not insane, you're all self-righteous moralists! Disregard the chess thing.
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Mar 23, 2016 15:09
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nilfgaard did nothing wrong
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Mar 23, 2016 15:19
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Radovid's chess set was pretty sweet though.
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Mar 23, 2016 15:21
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGwYj4AqB6Q
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Mar 23, 2016 15:23
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Palpek posted:I wrote as much at the end of my post - that it's a different situation when you haven't read the books. Yeah, I don't mean to sound so flippant about it, it's legit either way.
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Mar 23, 2016 15:23
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It is important to note that the majority of people who've played the games have not read the books, so presented as is, most people wouldn't know about Emhyr's full past with Geralt and Ciri. Presented in the game, Emhyr is Ciri's estranged father, not her would-be rapist. Obviously knowing that from the books, it changes your perspective somewhat, but it doesn't necessarily mean that his "I want a mega emperor son!" goal is still on the table. Besides that, from reading the books and their contextual chapter introductions, we know that Morvran Voorhis is Emhyr's successor, so its more likely that Empress Ciri would marry him politically than go through with the destiny godchild emperor. Edit: I actually quite like Morvran. He's not a jerk to anybody, and despite looking like a greasy toad, he's rather pleasant to be around. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Mar 23, 2016 |
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Mar 23, 2016 16:21
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Arcsquad12 posted:It is important to note that the majority of people who've played the games have not read the books, so presented as is, most people wouldn't know about Emhyr's full past with Geralt and Ciri. Presented in the game, Emhyr is Ciri's estranged father, not her would-be rapist. Obviously knowing that from the books, it changes your perspective somewhat, but it doesn't necessarily mean that his "I want a mega emperor son!" goal is still on the table. Besides that, from reading the books and their contextual chapter introductions, we know that Morvran Voorhis is Emhyr's successor, so its more likely that Empress Ciri would marry him politically than go through with the destiny godchild emperor. Morvran is cool though yeah.
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Mar 23, 2016 16:34
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Wasn't it implied that Emhyr has offed Pavetta?
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Mar 23, 2016 17:20
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I beat this game months ago and I still check for news about the Blood & Wine expansion every day.
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Mar 23, 2016 17:27
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alex314 posted:Wasn't it implied that Emhyr has offed Pavetta? I thought that Pavetta and Tuirseach had died in a shipwreck? Or am I confusing this with Tarzan? Emhyr was Duny the urcheon but I thought Eist stuck around as well
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Mar 23, 2016 17:32
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Emhyr is implied to have pushed Pavetta off of the ship when he was known under his previous alias. They had an argument where it was revealed that he was actually going to seek the throne of Nilfgaard as its rightful heir and take Ciri and Pavetta with him. I'm not sure if I remember reading any part where he let Pavetta know that he wanted to have a baby with Cirilla because he wanted to fulfill the prophecy with his own son. I'm curious about the implied metaphors or inspirations for the different kingdoms in the Witcher books and games. As far as I can tell, Nilfgaard is the former Soviet Union and each of the different northern kingdoms are various Eastern European countries, loosely speaking.
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Mar 23, 2016 18:30
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Nilfgard is a mix of Imperial Russia and the Holy Roman Empire.
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Mar 23, 2016 18:32
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Last book spoiler Emhyr is a cool character. He personally brings an army to He also as a weird one sided fatherly relationship with a girl he has impersonate Ciri in order to fabricate a claim to the Cintran throne. The books never make it clear whether he ever brings himself to kill her once she becomes a liability. Dude's a lonely Machiavellian shitlord 
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Mar 23, 2016 19:43
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Well his constant expansionism is pushing Nilfgaard to the brink of destruction. Despite steamrolling the Northern Kingdoms, his biggest threat comes from the merchant houses he is bankrupting for his campaigns.
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Mar 23, 2016 21:05
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Accordion Man posted:Nilfgard is a mix of Imperial Russia and the Holy Roman Empire.
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Mar 23, 2016 21:11
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Palpek posted:Being from the cultural context I can safely say it's not Imerial Russia but it really fits the usual Polish view of the Holy Roman Empire during late medieval times.
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Mar 23, 2016 21:20
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Strategic Tea posted:Last book spoiler Emhyr is a cool character. He personally brings an army to This is it, pretty much. No matter his intentions, he can't bring himself to do that to his own daughter in the end, despite nothing stopping him.
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Mar 23, 2016 21:50
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Do they have any hints on how Blood and Wine will be integrated into the game and at what level you should access the content? I haven't done any of the paid DLC stuff yet and I am starting a slow replay. I am trying to time it to the end of April I'll be at the right level to do Heart of Stone and then hopefully have Blood and Wine as well.
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Mar 24, 2016 02:01
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MikeC posted:Do they have any hints on how Blood and Wine will be integrated into the game and at what level you should access the content? I haven't done any of the paid DLC stuff yet and I am starting a slow replay. I am trying to time it to the end of April I'll be at the right level to do Heart of Stone and then hopefully have Blood and Wine as well. I imagine it'll be the same as HoS, just adding a quest to your log which you can choose to take on at any time. Narratively HoS just neatly starts with Geralt picking up a contract he finds on a notice board and expands out from there, so it doesn't really rely on any of the main plot developments to make sense (though there is some unique dialogue depending on where you are in the main story).
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Mar 24, 2016 02:36
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I just started new game+, and goddamn does it feel good. Blood and broken bones, of course. Now that I feel like Geralt is a character with a satisfying arsenal at his disposal, the game feels more natural, rather than a series of instructions guiding you to how to play. I'm not worried about finding new loot or a piece of armor that doesn't look like rear end, so I can just sit back and enjoy the story and presentation of everything without worrying if I'm doing things optimally, which to be fair, was how I spent a lot of time on my first playthrough. And yeah, it's really loving awesome to see O'Dimm in White Forest.
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Mar 24, 2016 14:04
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Strategic Tea posted:He also as a weird one sided fatherly relationship with a girl he has impersonate Ciri in order to fabricate a claim to the Cintran throne. The books never make it clear whether he ever brings himself to kill her once she becomes a liability. Dude's a lonely Machiavellian shitlord actually in between chapters of the last book it's strongly implied that he marries the fake Ciri and she becomes the Empress Cirilla cooshee fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Mar 24, 2016 |
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Mar 24, 2016 15:05
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Not sure if anyone has noted how awesome this game is Very
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fickle poofterist posted:Not sure if anyone has noted how awesome this game is This- and I'm in the middle of Hearts of Stone. I hope my own wedding is half as amusing as the one I just crashed.
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