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nooneofconsequence posted:Something about the way he did that and the way he delivered that line was really funny to me. It felt really cartoony. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJIrwNwtzfw
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I'm confused about the ninjas. Are they zombies or what? No heartbeats, but they exhale. But Matt wasn't bothered by the Punisher getting headshots from the water tower.
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Mar 27, 2016 13:23
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What was he gonna do about it, interrupt his fight with the ninjas to go punch frank in the face?
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Mar 27, 2016 14:11
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So I finally watched this. It was kinda stale and didn't grab my interest. Also everything was so incredibly dark. Not just in the metaphorical sense. I could barely see what's going on in some of those fights. I don't think I will ever see a season 3 of this. I don't even know if that is planned anyway.
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Mar 27, 2016 14:26
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Zzulu posted:What was he gonna do about it, interrupt his fight with the ninjas to go punch frank in the face? Well, he did in earlier episodes. Air is lava! posted:So I finally watched this. It was kinda stale and didn't grab my interest. Also everything was so incredibly dark. Not just in the metaphorical sense. I could barely see what's going on in some of those fights. I don't think I will ever see a season 3 of this. I don't even know if that is planned anyway. Get a new TV.
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Mar 27, 2016 14:32
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How are they gonna up the ante for Hallway Fight Third Edition? Train roof? Mountainside? Skydive?
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Kraps posted:How are they gonna up the ante for Hallway Fight Third Edition? Train roof? Mountainside? Skydive? They're either going to add a bear or a gorilla into the mix.
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Mar 27, 2016 15:04
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RareAcumen posted:They're either going to add a bear or a gorilla into the mix. Murdock will hit the grizzly with a flying knee strike to prevent it from killing the Big Bad whose heart beat is linked to a trigger or a dirty bomb underneath Foggy's office building.
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Overall the Season was decent Everything to do with castle wasmy favorite. The stick\elecktra and The Hand stuff drags on for the season and kinda bores me. Foggy continues to be the worst part of the show for me I kinda just want him shut his fat face and not bother DD with his whiney bullshit.
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nickmeister posted:I'm confused about the ninjas. Are they zombies or what? No heartbeats, but they exhale. But Matt wasn't bothered by the Punisher getting headshots from the water tower. Someone mentioned a few pages back that season 2 was originally going to have only Elektra and that they got permission to use the Punisher part way through. Which makes sense, and would require some re-writing. Personally I think there was another change from having the Punisher as a villain to having him as an ally that required a third re-write when they realized how good Bernthal was or how much potential the Punisher had. Frank puts a gun to the door of the rooftop in episode 4 and shows every willingness to kill that old guy to keep himself and Daredevil isolated. Put that together with him waltzing through the hospital firing off shotgun rounds and I think originally Frank was supposed to cross the line and kill an innocent at some point (either accidentally or consciously) and thus put some distance between him and Matt, and they changed that during production and just had him go "I was always in control and could have hit you anytime" to Karen to cover it up. Its's lame as a viewer, but probably not avoidable from a production standpoint considering they fast-tracked the second season (and Punisher) and had less than a year (just) to do the whole thing. I would suspect that originally Matt couldn't hear the Hands hearts because they had none, and that Claire's scene at the hospital was going to illustrate this via the ninja who already had an autopsy to take his heart out. Which I think would have been rather interesting and made them more frightening, but that it was cut for time along with a lot else - hence why we ended up with that lame shot of Frank on the roof helping out after he kills the Blacksmith. And that the reason his subplot goes nowhere and is so limp is because it was inserted at the last minute. The Blacksmith has no build up or pay off when he dies - he's just there and dead a few minutes later. Which is why I suspect some people have so much trouble identifying Clancy Brown as him, because it's just not narratively satisfying. I also refuse to believe Madame Gao (or anyone really) had so much trouble tracking him of all people, but I suppose that's a separate matter. It's a shame, because rather than season 2 of Daredevil it really felt like, as some described it, season 1 of the Punisher also starring Karen Page with guest stars Daredevil and Foggy Nelson. And Punisher killing off a barely revealed enemy with no real tension like the Blacksmith doesn't even feel like a good origin story if it is going to be a Punisher season instead. I also think Foggy would get a lot less hate if he didn't constantly have a hurt puppy expression on his face. I loved him again though, and really hope next season gives him the same focus Karen has been getting all along.
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tsob posted:Someone mentioned a few pages back that season 2 was originally going to have only Elektra and that they got permission to use the Punisher part way through. Which makes sense, and would require some re-writing. Personally I think there was another change from having the Punisher as a villain to having him as an ally that required a third re-write when they realized how good Bernthal was or how much potential the Punisher had. Frank puts a gun to the door of the rooftop in episode 4 and shows every willingness to kill that old guy to keep himself and Daredevil isolated. Put that together with him waltzing through the hospital firing off shotgun rounds and I think originally Frank was supposed to cross the line and kill an innocent at some point (either accidentally or consciously) and thus put some distance between him and Matt, and they changed that during production and just had him go "I was always in control and could have hit you anytime" to Karen to cover it up. Its's lame as a viewer, but probably not avoidable from a production standpoint considering they fast-tracked the second season (and Punisher) and had less than a year (just) to do the whole thing. This is pretty interesting. I definitely got the feeling that the Punisher's ending wasn't completely flushed out. He does so much to show the audience that he's just a broken psycho who will eventually end up hurting someone innocent. But after he mercilessly executes the final boss, he's on the rooftop at the end sniping ninjas and winking at the camera. I mean, DD risked both of their lives to prevent him from killing people when he could. I was like, "uh, did we learn nothing?!" Also, I didn't understand why the "Blacksmith" tried to get Castle killed in the park.
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Rocksicles posted:Elektra was a whole level above what i thought she'd be. Her stunt woman deserves an emmy or something. Elodie Yung is a karate black belt.
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Kraps posted:How are they gonna up the ante for Hallway Fight Third Edition? Train roof? Mountainside? Skydive? moving walkway like in airports.
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Air is lava! posted:So I finally watched this. It was kinda stale and didn't grab my interest. Also everything was so incredibly dark. Not just in the metaphorical sense. I could barely see what's going on in some of those fights. I don't think I will ever see a season 3 of this. I don't even know if that is planned anyway.
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nickmeister posted:This is pretty interesting. I definitely got the feeling that the Punisher's ending wasn't completely flushed out. He does so much to show the audience that he's just a broken psycho who will eventually end up hurting someone innocent. But after he mercilessly executes the final boss, he's on the rooftop at the end sniping ninjas and winking at the camera. I mean, DD risked both of their lives to prevent him from killing people when he could. I was like, "uh, did we learn nothing?!" Also, I didn't understand why the "Blacksmith" tried to get Castle killed in the park. Frank knew about some drug stuff in the middle east I guess.
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A note on the darkness - unless you have a newish shiny tv you've got to mess with your gamma settings to see well. I have a 2012 Macbook Pro and even I had to go deep into the options and screw with the gamma so I could probably see what the hell was happening.
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nickmeister posted:I'm confused about the ninjas. Are they zombies or what? No heartbeats, but they exhale. But Matt wasn't bothered by the Punisher getting headshots from the water tower. The ninjas are alive. Only Nobu is a zombie. It's less that Matt was a-ok with Frank shooting people and more that he couldn't stop it and it saved his life. He's not gonna go track him down and give him a talking to.
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Mar 27, 2016 22:44
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SonicRulez posted:The ninjas are alive. Only Nobu is a zombie. It's less that Matt was a-ok with Frank shooting people and more that he couldn't stop it and it saved his life. He's not gonna go track him down and give him a talking to. The ninja Temple kills died twice
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Mar 27, 2016 23:05
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Season was pretty good overall, I liked episodes 3 and 4 the most. The fight scenes were great especially how Daredevil, Punisher and Elektra all had a unique fighting style.
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Mar 27, 2016 23:17
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Four Score posted:The ninja Temple kills died twice
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Mar 28, 2016 00:05
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The ADA is Blake Tower. Temple is Claire, the nurse.
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Mar 28, 2016 00:09
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Do we know what the big giant hole thing is? Sneaking out dirt in a train sure is some nefarious activity (that went nowhere). Wilson Fisk, The Purple Man, The Punisher... all the absolute best things about Netflix Marvel by a long way.
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I'm guessing that with the mention of Electra being a living weapon and the Hand having stumbled across some real power in the past, they're digging the hole to try and find a route to connect with a city of Heaven or something. And they're trying to make themselves a new one of the Cities of Heaven using Elektra maybe? All of which would do more to connect it with Iron Fist and presumably wrap up in Defenders.
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Four Score posted:The ninja Temple kills died twice Plus the no heartbeats thing. Did they even know DD is blind to switch off their hearts? It felt like the Hand stuff was the product of three different drafts that got mashed together at the last minute.
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Mar 28, 2016 02:42
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Nobu conceals his heartbeat in season 1, they know.
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Mar 28, 2016 02:47
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SonicRulez posted:The ninjas are alive. Only Nobu is a zombie. It's less that Matt was a-ok with Frank shooting people and more that he couldn't stop it and it saved his life. He's not gonna go track him down and give him a talking to. How did you miss the whole bit about a double-autopsied ninja?
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Just finished going through the entire series, taking my sweet time on it to make sure that I didn't miss anything and fully immerse in all it had to offer. And it had a lot to offer. The show is so much more richer this season than last, with wonderful scenes entirely consisting of two people with a bunch of history just going at each other. And that's putting aside how much more intense the action is, how much more ambitious (I counted at least three versions of last season's ep 2 end fight), and how it reflected the characters even better. Daredevil's description as a boxer that also is an acrobat has never been more fleshed out than in this season, the ninja action was gloriously over the top, and characters like Fisk, Punisher, and Elektra all retained separate fighting styles that spoke to what they were all about. The interplay between the different narratives in each episode was also a step up, when sometimes you would find things slowing down by taking the focus of Daredevil/Fisk, I found the court case, Page's investigation, the Punisher, and Elektra narratives building on each other, conveying a whole lot of plot and action without anything being lost in the shuffle. I also loved the love stories. I thought the Karen/Murdock kiss at the end of ep 4 to be profoundly affecting, and a great burst of positivity and sweetness in a show that could have easily been mired in one note. Karen Page's actor was especially great in conveying being lovestruck, and Murdock's actor had charisma with every lady strolling through the show basically, which is pretty true to the character. The ending was great too, and I found Elektra's exit to be affecting. Looking forward to seeing what they cook up next year, and if they can manage to put even more into this brew. Maybe translating Bendis' run, making the world a little bit more realistic? Bulleseye? Murdock being revealed to be Daredevil? We'll see!
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Isn't Bullseye's big moment killing Elektra with her own sai? Is there even a point putting him in if Nobu has already done that?
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tsob posted:Isn't Bullseye's big moment killing Elektra with her own sai? Is there even a point putting him in if Nobu has already done that? If a villain's single defining moment is fridging the hero's ex then you probably need to flesh the character out a bit more. Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Mar 28, 2016 |
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tsob posted:Isn't Bullseye's big moment killing Elektra with her own sai? Is there even a point putting him in if Nobu has already done that? I thought he kills Karen Page using Daredevil's billy club.
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Mar 28, 2016 03:51
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Bullseye: his character is killing Matt's girlfriends.
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HIJK posted:Bullseye: his character is killing Matt's girlfriends. Oh yeah, he killed Karen too, didn't he?
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HIJK posted:Bullseye: his character is killing Matt's girlfriends. That's also Matt's character.
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Aphrodite posted:That's also Matt's character. Matt has tragedy and suicidal ideation masquerading as heroism as well, to be fair. Bullseye consists solely of "hitman kills people with plastic playing cards, chuckles uproariously the entire time." Skippy McPants posted:Oh yeah, he killed Karen too, didn't he? Karen, Elektra, and then I think some rando Matt hooked up with at some point.
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HIJK posted:Karen, Elektra, and then I think some rando Matt hooked up with at some point. Maybe Matt should just start dating his nemeses. Invite Fisk out to a nice dinner and then *BAM* fatman is dead before the desert cart rolls around.
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Skippy McPants posted:Maybe Matt should just start dating his nemeses. Invite Fisk out to a nice dinner and then *BAM* fatman is dead before the desert cart rolls around. Matt should go gay for great justice!
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HIJK posted:Matt has tragedy and suicidal ideation masquerading as heroism as well, to be fair. Bullseye consists solely of "hitman kills people with plastic playing cards, chuckles uproariously the entire time." Eventually Murdock got fed up with all this and broke Bullseye's back 24 times.
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The two halves of the plot were often connected a bit awkwardly at the end, but I really enjoyed the dual plots during episodes 4-8. Matt being pulled into two directions by Elektra and the Punisher case made for some great drama - and infiltrating the Roxxon headquarters for the ledger was a fun episode. After the yakuza started to get replaced by ninjas it started to go downhill a little bit - the ninjas themselves aren't particularly exciting fights (though I did like the one in his apartment), but the whole weird creepy blood ritual thing going on was interesting at least. I'm not really sure what they could have done to make the ninjas more interesting - I suppose one thing that a lot of the better villains in this series have had done for them, even the side villains (see : all of Fisk's lieutenants in season 1, the Punisher, the DA, Elektra), is letting the audience getting to know them a bit and show their personality. The current batch of ninjas outside of Elektra and Stick are all pretty much faceless and emotionless (Nobu isn't much of an exception here), but that's kinda a defining trait of ninjas so I can't really imagine them pulling interesting villains out of the Hand. Maybe if they showed the inner workings of the hand a little more - got more of a feel for their strange cult and motivations, instead of 'ninjas show up to kill people inexplicably'. Wolpertinger fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Mar 28, 2016 |
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So Daredevil is a mutant or something, his powers came from getting toxic waste on him. What about Stick though, does he have some kind of magic that lets him do the stuff he does or is he just naturally that good?
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