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Wulfolme posted:Do people respect the difference between poo poo-talking and frank criticism, or does everyone have to keep smiling and pretend to be friends at all times? there used to be this very "Go Team Animation!" mentality (which you still see in comics) where if you weren't in support of every animated movie, good or bad, you were anti-animation. that was back in the mid-to-late 00s and I'm glad that that's died down because not everyone needs to see Everyone's Hero The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 06:31 on Mar 29, 2016 |
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I love, love, love animation, which is why I can also hate animation.
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frank, honest criticism is when I and my friends do it, poo poo-talking is when some fucko does it to us
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Mar 29, 2016 07:48
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nah I don't think you should even do it at work with your peers, it's just not a good plan. if you're an animator and you wanna talk poo poo, i guess get into a skype call with your closest friends and be a dick and hope that they dont know anyone connected to what you're gonna poo poo on
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Mar 29, 2016 08:05
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Pick posted:I love, love, love animation, which is why I can also hate animation. "I don't like animation; I love it. If I don't love it, I don't watch it."
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Mar 29, 2016 11:52
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Sir Lemming posted:"I don't like animation; I love it. If I don't love it, I don't watch it."
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Not everyone can be an animator, but a great animator can come from anywhere
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Wulfolme posted:Do people respect the difference between poo poo-talking and frank criticism Do most people?
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Wulfolme posted:This keeps bothering you but it also keeps bothering me that you can't just tell yourself that animation constantly does things that aren't hardline realistic for the sake of looking better. They probably tried the scene with changing pupils, then tried it without, and decided that it looked better without. Bothering you was an acceptable sacrifice. I think there's actually quite a bit of it in the movie but since they scale the entire iris rather than just the pupil it's easier to miss (eg there's some pretty conspicuous contraction + dilation on Clawhauser and Hopps when she brings the weasel in and Idris Elba yells at her). But yeah it's always done for expressive reasons rather than night vision or whatever. It seems like a reasonable choice to make. Wulfolme posted:Is a career in animation a living hell? Ask the guy who spent two weeks modeling and texturing a lake so that a cartoon eagle could piss in it 
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Mar 29, 2016 17:55
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Haledjian posted:Ask the guy who spent two weeks modeling and texturing a lake so that a cartoon eagle could piss in it Or whoever had to model the hot dog bun with tits for sausage party
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BillmasterCozb posted:Or whoever had to model the hot dog bun with tits for sausage party Maybe they liked it? I mean, there's a fetish for pretty much everything. I try not to judge, though I also don't want to watch a movie with literal food porn in it.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Maybe they liked it? I mean, there's a fetish for pretty much everything. I try not to judge, though I also don't want to watch a movie with literal food porn in it. Relevant to this discussion: http://chainsawsuit.com/2016/03/18/saw-it-for-you-sausage-party-2016/
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Haledjian posted:I think there's actually quite a bit of it in the movie but since they scale the entire iris rather than just the pupil it's easier to miss (eg there's some pretty conspicuous contraction + dilation on Clawhauser and Hopps when she brings the weasel in and Idris Elba yells at her). I think it "bothering" me has been blown way out of proportion. I noticed something and thought it was odd they addressed it in subtle scenes but not the obvious ones. I'd have to see how terrible it looked with brief pupil contraction to dismiss its use in those scenes. That said, I'm not as crazy about this movie as everyone else. It was fine. I have some criticisms in regards to story and character, but I don't feel like this is the time or place to bring them up as people are still riding an emotional high from the film and I don't want to have to address the ire of 20 different people right now. I'll just bow out.
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Das Boo posted:I think it "bothering" me has been blown way out of proportion. I noticed something and thought it was odd they addressed it in subtle scenes but not the obvious ones. I'd have to see how terrible it looked with brief pupil contraction to dismiss its use in those scenes. No I'm with you. The movie was a visual feast but something about it that I can't place left me feeling unsatisfied. I still want to watch it again and drink in every detail, but it lacks a certain spark. I had a similar reaction to Bolt.
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Is it the question of what the hell are all the predators eating now, especially the cats that can't produce that eyeball protein on their own and have to get it from the flesh of other animals? Is it the question of why rabbits aren't a living carpet across the entire surface of the planet if Judy already had hundreds of siblings by age 9, and no check on their numbers in sight? The setting has a lot of inconsistencies that will leave any nerd brain nestled in niggling doubt. i love her LAST CHANCE, RADIO face so much oh jesus help me i dont wanna be a fanboy again i lost years of my life already oh god in heaven
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Wulfolme posted:Is it the question of what the hell are all the predators eating now, especially the cats that can't produce that eyeball protein on their own and have to get it from the flesh of other animals? Is it the question of why rabbits aren't a living carpet across the entire surface of the planet if Judy already had hundreds of siblings by age 9, and no check on their numbers in sight? The setting has a lot of inconsistencies that will leave any nerd brain nestled in niggling doubt. Have you ever heard of this webcomic called Kevin & Kell? I think you'll find it answers all your questions.
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Wulfolme posted:Is it the question of what the hell are all the predators eating now, especially the cats that can't produce that eyeball protein on their own and have to get it from the flesh of other animals? Is it the question of why rabbits aren't a living carpet across the entire surface of the planet if Judy already had hundreds of siblings by age 9, and no check on their numbers in sight? The setting has a lot of inconsistencies that will leave any nerd brain nestled in niggling doubt. Zootopia is mammal only. There are fish markets. There are obligate carnivores, but there's no such thing as an obligate eater of mammals. But who cares? It actually doesn't really matter.
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Pick posted:Zootopia is mammal only. There are fish markets. There are obligate carnivores, but there's no such thing as an obligate eater of mammals. Yeah Zootopia's setting is consistent in all the ways that actually matter for a narrative, which is nice.
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Das Boo posted:I think it "bothering" me has been blown way out of proportion. I noticed something and thought it was odd they addressed it in subtle scenes but not the obvious ones. I'd have to see how terrible it looked with brief pupil contraction to dismiss its use in those scenes. I thought it was a good observation that lead to good conversation, even if I think you are right that the "bothering" angle was blown out of proportion. Wulfolme posted:The setting has a lot of inconsistencies that will leave any nerd brain nestled in niggling doubt. I think I love the Nudists/Naturalists bit for this. Just a giant flashing sign that says "Don't think about this setting too much". Because yeah, billions of rabbits. Though that does remind me of this bit of concept art 
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Not to excessively harp on Bee Movie, the worst film of all time, but in that case the film repeatedly tried to make jokes about the inter-relatedness of bees, but this degree of relatedness would change within literally the span of a minute. Bees were forbidden to speak to humans, but explicitly spoke English, except with irregular vocabulary, but only at the beginning. Bees are born into their lifetime roles, but there was a "Bee Ghandi", despite the earlier claim that bee society had been perfect for millions of years (i.e. preceding human Ghandi, so why is human Ghandi not Human Ghandi and bee Ghandi just Ghandi? etc.) Bees can use their antennae like walkie-talkies, except when they can't (the rest of the film). This is a level of inconsistency that damages a film. "Why don't they eat each other??" doesn't. They don't, they say that at the beginning, it's a rule of the narrative and you have to accept that to the same degree you accept rabbits would ever develop iPhones.
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Applewhite posted:Have you ever heard of this webcomic called Kevin & Kell? I think you'll find it answers all your questions. We can just put the brakes on right there. If you ever manage to articulate what you think is missing with Zootopia, I'd be interested to hear it. And it doesn't actually matter, I know. I'd really be more concerned with what Judy is going to do about being a family friend of a mafioso now that she's a serious cop. That would probably just never be mentioned again.
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I actually thought it was pretty clever to make the mayor a lion, as cats are one of relatively few terrestrial mammalian hypercarnivores. (That is, mammals that feed in huge majority on meat.)
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Applewhite posted:Have you ever heard of this webcomic called Kevin & Kell? I think you'll find it answers all your questions. brutal
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Wulfolme posted:If you ever manage to articulate what you think is missing with Zootopia, I'd be interested to hear it. Personally I would have liked more musical numbers tbh, but I don't think that's what leaves me feeling hollow.
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Mar 29, 2016 19:43
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Similarly, Toy Story works despite having what I do consider the narrative flaw--not of having the "toys can move when you're not watching" rule--but of bringing up that rule, and then having Woody violate it later, with no real indication of what that means or why it's a rule to begin with or if there will ever be consequences.
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Toy Story kinda goes in the opposite direction of handling its premise. It works because it follows things to their logical conclusion most of the time. "What happens to toys when they get thrown out?" "Then they're alone! Forever!" 
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Wulfolme posted:Is it the question of what the hell are all the predators eating now, especially the cats that can't produce that eyeball protein on their own and have to get it from the flesh of other animals? Is it the question of why rabbits aren't a living carpet across the entire surface of the planet if Judy already had hundreds of siblings by age 9, and no check on their numbers in sight? The setting has a lot of inconsistencies that will leave any nerd brain nestled in niggling doubt. From the art book, there were earlier drafts that dealt with how rabbits could actually live in those circumstances (sprawling suburbs outside the city proper, massive kitchens, Judy's dad didn't know her name, etc) but I assume it was cut because, as noted, it doesn't really matter. Also there's a fast food restaurant called "Bugburga."
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Pick posted:Similarly, Toy Story works despite having what I do consider the narrative flaw--not of having the "toys can move when you're not watching" rule--but of bringing up that rule, and then having Woody violate it later, with no real indication of what that means or why it's a rule to begin with or if there will ever be consequences. There aren't formal consequences but Sid was sure freaked out. The big thing that bugs me about Toy Story is what the threshold for being a "Toy" is. Does anything someone plays with become a "Toy"? Do toys have to be anthropomorphized to be alive? Why is an RC car a "toy" and thus alive but an actual car is not?
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Applewhite posted:There aren't formal consequences but Sid was sure freaked out. R-rated version of "Toy" Story coming in.
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Applewhite posted:Personally I would have liked more musical numbers tbh, but I don't think that's what leaves me feeling hollow. I'm gonna be a stick in the mud and say that Let It Go was the only musical number in Frozen that wasn't incredibly hackneyed (Olaf's summer song knew it was hackneyed so it was still good anyway). Also it doesn't count as a musical number if it's a straight-up live music performance with a microphone and everything, so Zootopia has 0. I don't think it would have been a good idea to include more than 0. It was not the kind of movie where characters start singing to each other any more than Wreck-It Ralph or The Lego Movie or Bambi were.
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Wulfolme posted:I'm gonna be a stick in the mud and say that Let It Go was the only musical number in Frozen that wasn't incredibly hackneyed (Olaf's summer song knew it was hackneyed so it was still good anyway). Also it doesn't count as a musical number if it's a straight-up live music performance with a microphone and everything, so Zootopia has 0. I don't think it would have been a good idea to include more than 0. It was not the kind of movie where characters start singing to each other any more than Wreck-It Ralph or The Lego Movie or Bambi were. Lego Movie had a musical number. It was "everything is awesome" and it rocked.  but I get what you're saying. And yeah I meant *real* musical numbers where the characters break into song and dance, as opposed to just parts where there's music and no dialogue. It didn't fit this version of Zootopia, but a musical starring that cast would have been p. baller.
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Applewhite posted:Lego Movie had a musical number. It was "everything is awesome" and it rocked. "Judy Hopps and Benjamin Clawhauser Go To The Store and Buy Groceries for the ZPD Summer Barbecue" could be pretty baller. Well-executed characters have limitless possibility.
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Applewhite posted:Lego Movie had a musical number. It was "everything is awesome" and it rocked. Everything is Awesome was a great song and I loved the way they used it as a running motif through out the movie (like how there was a piano version of it being played at the old west saloon they go to).
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Zootopia: Nick sold Mr. Big a skunk butt rug, but think that though -- that's like selling someone a human skin rug. hosed up.  Nick is a cold rear end motherfucker.
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Was it skunk skin or skunk hair? Because buying a human hair rug, while still kind of creepy, is nowhere near as bad as a human skin rug.
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Martytoof posted:Zootopia: Nick sold Mr. Big a skunk butt rug, but think that though -- that's like selling someone a human skin rug. hosed up.  The fur of a skunk's butt. They didn't give Judy a leather belt or shoes, and they didn't have Nick giving anything the hose again.
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Valid points. None of which address the fact that I wanted my theory to be true I guess I just assumed that he meant a skunk skin rug This movie needs to hit BluRay already, I'm tired of giving Disney my money 
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Mar 29, 2016 21:01
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Applewhite posted:The big thing that bugs me about Toy Story is what the threshold for being a "Toy" is. Does anything someone plays with become a "Toy"? Do toys have to be anthropomorphized to be alive? Why is an RC car a "toy" and thus alive but an actual car is not? This... seems like a weird thing to be confused about? It's a toy because it was created to be a toy for a kid to play with, there's not some philosophical question about what a toy actually is because adults can have races in cars. Cars are not something kids play with, they are something adults use for adult things. An RC car is built for a child to play with (despite adults buying them). They obviously don't' have to be anthropomorphized because Mr Speak and Spell and Etch-a-Sketch is alive. Video Games aren't really toys in the traditional sense that the rest of the toys are so that's probably why they aren't alive. Basically if it's specifically made to be a toy for kids to play with it can be alive.
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Haledjian posted:Also there's a fast food restaurant called "Bugburga." Slimy, yet satisfying.
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Macaluso posted:This... seems like a weird thing to be confused about? It's a toy because it was created to be a toy for a kid to play with, there's not some philosophical question about what a toy actually is because adults can have races in cars. Cars are not something kids play with, they are something adults use for adult things. An RC car is built for a child to play with (despite adults buying them). They obviously don't' have to be anthropomorphized because Mr Speak and Spell and Etch-a-Sketch is alive. Video Games aren't really toys in the traditional sense that the rest of the toys are so that's probably why they aren't alive. Basically if it's specifically made to be a toy for kids to play with it can be alive. So if you painted a face on a rock so a child could play with it would it become imbued with life?
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