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voltcatfish posted:He's not even the best Yuri-named jrpg protagonist, with Yuri from Shadow Hearts around I've only played about two hours of the first Shadow Hearts but Yuri did seem pretty cool, I should remedy that after I'm done with Fates.
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oh I forgot about graces
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Kild posted:which one has the best combat system graces, still
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voltcatfish posted:He's not even the best Yuri-named jrpg protagonist, with Yuri from Shadow Hearts around Excuse me, I think you'll find his true name, unsullied by LOCALIZATION, is Urmnaf Bort Hyuga
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Apr 2, 2016 19:33
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Kild posted:which one has the best combat system
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Just curious, what content from Xillia 1 that was cut ended up in Xillia 2?
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ImpAtom posted:Excuse me, I think you'll find his true name, unsullied by LOCALIZATION, is Urmnaf Bort Hyuga his name is bort?
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Sylphid posted:Just curious, what content from Xillia 1 that was cut ended up in Xillia 2? I think it's partially the expanded areas of Elympios and I think they basically wanted to do something more with Xillia 1's ending.
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Apr 2, 2016 19:38
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Sylphid posted:Just curious, what content from Xillia 1 that was cut ended up in Xillia 2? having gaius and muzet as the final bosses of 1 wasn't the original plan. the original plan for the final boss probably had to do with the stuff about maxwell you learn in milla's character quests in 2. more than likely gaius and muzet would have joined for the last couple of dungeons where you defeat maxwell or something.
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Endorph posted:graces, rebirth, xillia 2 in that order imo Haven't played rebirth, but I agree with the other two
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Linnaeus posted:Haven't played rebirth, but I agree with the other two  you can bounce on enemies in rebirth
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Apr 2, 2016 19:41
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Endorph posted:gaius and muzet as party members, elympios in its entirety, some of the backstory stuff for the xillia 1 cast that you see in the alt. dimensions. Huh. Muzet was really the only character I felt should have been in the party but wasn't, and Gaius always gave me "Final boss" vibes right from the OP. And the first game was long enough that maybe that extra stuff added on would have made the game feel bloated, but I can certainly understand wanting to make a second game with a new plot if they had to cut so much out of their vision for the first game
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i quit eliked the hearts r combat once i got over the dodgy controls on the pstv
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voltcatfish posted:his name is bort? My son's name is also Bort, yes.
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still pales before the cuts made to zest
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Apr 2, 2016 19:46
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corn in the bible posted:still pales before the cuts made to zest Clearly I should start following Tales games earlier in production because I have no idea at all what was cut from Zesty.
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Sylphid posted:Clearly I should start following Tales games earlier in production because I have no idea at all what was cut from Zesty. Once Rose joins, the game's plot suddenly feels a lot more cohesive and the cutscenes actually function like they should, and they even have little side gags and details that suggest actual time was put into them.
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Apr 2, 2016 19:52
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Endorph posted:Who knows, but a lot of things. If you ever replay Zestiria, look at the cutscenes for the first ten hours or so. Everything is super janky and the cuts are all over the place in a way that suggests they were slapped together to try and piece some sort of first act together out of the scattered pieces of what was either a full alisha route or a very different plot that got left on the cutting room floor. My personal favorite is the fact that the war scenes flip between day, afternoon, and night about 6 times with no transition to imply time passing. On the other hand, all those Hard Choices the game kept presenting as a feature dry up instantly when you get to the first war segment. The only one left is the sidequest in Ladylake, I think.
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Davincie posted:did literally any of the choices matter Giving the Pipe iirc is the only way you get one of the hats. Which is important for the Dezel Hat Stacking Minigame.
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Apr 2, 2016 20:21
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Davincie posted:did literally any of the choices matter
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It is also super weird that the Dagger is the only time using Key items for whatever comes up ever again
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i got a package in the mail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgqo6jCRTog
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corn in the bible posted:i got a package in the mail this song is far worse than pursuing my true self
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Endorph posted:the dagger/pipe thing with rose kind of balloons out into a couple of mini sidequests. that's about it. I'm pretty sure the "original" plot was about the struggle to maintain hope ("zest") amid cynics and push on to "light the world". You can see it coming together in a lot of the early briefs. There's an entire segment in Ladylake that invites Sorey to sell out; this also comes back when he's forced to go to war. Alisha's is "only one with faith with a corrupt establishment working against her" and her nemesis is the Council or whatever represented by Bartlowe, also an early reveal who vanishes from the game after the first war. Lucas also probably fits into this in some way but I'm not 100% sure how it would have gone. The choices were part of that - I don't know if they were going to affect the broader plot (probably not?) but I think they represented Sorey being forced to make sacrifices between doing his job, following his heart, and making people happy. I think, if there was an "original" Zesty, he still sacrificed himself at the end of it.
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voltcatfish posted:this song is far worse than pursuing my true self i agree. the opening itself is also worse and looks a lot cheaper too
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Apr 2, 2016 20:48
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im more chuffed about being able to record things over hdmi now
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Davincie posted:did literally any of the choices matter Choices don't need to have an actual in game effect to be an important tool in video game storytelling. (Please note that this post is not intended to imply any kind of judgement with regards to the quality of the specific execution found in Tales of Zestiria.)
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wateyad posted:Choices don't need to have an actual in game effect to be an important tool in video game storytelling. Agree on both counts. Speaking of bogus choices, the not-quite-freedom in SO5 is getting to me. It's the same cutscenes only they start without warning, you can't fast-show any lines, and they put arbitrary borders up so they can let you walk slowly around in it. Either you can't leave until the lines are over, or you can but you shouldn't because changing areas or starting combat will interrupt the scene! I went into a building and took a side path to snag some chests, and the scene area stopped like a foot in front of the chests and I hadn't actually triggered the scene yet. It's not the first time in the game something was just outside a radius that something was about to happen in, either. It's like Zestiria, a really nice idea with a hundred tiny, infuriating shortcomings in execution, and Zestiria, if nothing else, at least had its cutscenes on straight when it bothered to do them.
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2.5 stars with 188 reviews. the distribution is actually pretty even though, lots of 2s and 3s
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Cake Attack posted:2.5 stars with 188 reviews. the distribution is actually pretty even though, lots of 2s and 3s Dunno if I'd go that far. So far it feels more ambitious beyond its means than like anything is particularly hosed about it. Though the combat is... there are, again, a lot of little annoying things about it, but one big one is this is the second action RPG I've played in as many years where they set you up with a move rock-paper-scissors system and then put you up against enemy groups and it never seems to go well.
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Caphi posted:Dunno if I'd go that far. So far it feels more ambitious beyond its means than like anything is particularly hosed about it. Though the combat is... there are, again, a lot of little annoying things about it, but one big one is this is the second RPG I've played in as many years where they set you up with a move rock-paper-scissors system and then put you up against enemy groups and it never seems to go well. Keep in mind that amazon.co.jp isn't a good place for actual reviews, especially since nerds were up in arms because a bit of clothing got changed.
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Tae posted:Do you have 7 party members yet? I had 7 extremely briefly. I'm back to 6. The problem is Anne and Emerson joined pretty recently, and Victor has been gone for most of that. There is a segment where you get Victor and three of his soldiers that are clearly substitutes for Emerson, Anne, and Fiore, but this is before you have Riria. Frankly, I think combat was a bit of a clusterfuck by 4. The camera isn't as offensive as Zestiria, to be sure, but it's too low to the ground by default and it's easy (for me at least) to lose track of things between some large enemies and increasingly impressive spell effects. More targets also makes it really hard to get whatever Reserve Gauge you get for guarding attacks, which is enough of a pain just by default. (Also, I have had limited combat in enclosed spaces, and I have a feeling encounter zones will continue to be relatively open, since encounters are fixed instead of wandering.) Also the entire short/long basic attack system feels like playing the original Tales of Phantasia, and while I still love Phantasia, it's definitely not for that part of it.
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i didn't realize Go Shiina was such a handsome man he doesn't get enough work
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voltcatfish posted:has so5 been review bombed on amazon.co.jp yet for nerfing clothes? Of course while amazonjp reviews are never to be taken seriously, even importers and summary sites seem to not be liking it much.
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