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holocaust bloopers posted:gently caress. An NVG case of all things. Poor dudes. Their ERO was a hot mess and they tried to take off with unsecured cargo before we stopped them. Not like they didn't tie down bags right or something, they had loose 1.1 and vehicles that were tied down with a cargo strap across seats. I blame unit leadership because they had two obviously incompetent loadmasters and one over-tasked guy trying to fix everything they were doing wrong while doing night ground ops in a combat zone. It's sad that these guys died but given the unit I am utterly unsurprised to hear what happened. standard.deviant fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Apr 16, 2016 |
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"flight controls free and correct." EVERY loving TIME YOU FLY.
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Apr 16, 2016 18:58
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The Ferret King posted:"flight controls free and correct." EVERY loving TIME YOU FLY. Every time but one, anyhow.
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Apr 16, 2016 19:01
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standard.deviant posted:I'm surprised they didn't ding the unit leadership at all. Flying on that squadron's birds is the only time I have ever complained to flight safety as a passenger. Given recent comments in the cold war thread, I think "leadership blame" is the one thing absolutely guaranteed not to happen.
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Apr 16, 2016 19:13
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Nebakenezzer posted:Given recent comments in the cold war thread, I think "leadership blame" is the one thing absolutely guaranteed not to happen.
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Apr 16, 2016 20:24
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Nebakenezzer posted:Given recent comments in the cold war thread, I think "leadership blame" is the one thing absolutely guaranteed not to happen. Who was the lowest ranking person involved? It's their fault.
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Apr 16, 2016 21:12
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That sucks. It seems like there should be a checklist prior to departure that includes checking for free movement of the control surfaces even in these types of operations. The Ferret King posted:"flight controls free and correct." EVERY loving TIME YOU FLY. The thought of entering a runway with the intention to take off without checking this gives me hives.
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Apr 16, 2016 23:56
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Jealous Cow posted:That sucks.  it's already part of the checklist 
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standard.deviant posted:Not like they didn't tie down bags right or something, they had loose 1.1 and vehicles that were tied down with a cargo strap across seats.  Like that's some National Air Cargo level of poo poo right there standard.deviant posted:I've definitely seen squadron and group commanders blamed at SIBs. And not just SIBs...Indy 08's AIB report had some significantly negative comments towards the entire MC-12 program for how the AF had mismanaged it. In the statement of opinion "Mishap Cause" received 2 paragraphs, under "Substantially Contributing Factors" wx received one paragraph, pilot inexperience (which is really a reflection of program mismanagement) received 2, but MC-12W Program Risk received 5 paragraphs.
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Apr 17, 2016 03:29
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Let's push this 737's big levers all of the way forward and see what happens. tl;dr: A 20-year-old passenger jet can haul serious rear end when the pilots ask nicely.
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Apr 17, 2016 03:43
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"490 knots True Air Speed, which is the absolute maximum permitted speed of a Boeing 737." https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-cruise-speed-for-Boeing-737-How-fast-can-it-go
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[quote="iyaayas01" post=""458802682"] And not just SIBs...Indy 08's AIB report had some significantly negative comments towards the entire MC-12 program for how the AF had mismanaged it. In the statement of opinion "Mishap Cause" received 2 paragraphs, under "Substantially Contributing Factors" wx received one paragraph, pilot inexperience (which is really a reflection of program mismanagement) received 2, but MC-12W Program Risk received 5 paragraphs. [/quote] True. I walk past an Indy 08 memorial on the way to work and should have remembered that.
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simplefish posted:"490 knots True Air Speed, which is the absolute maximum permitted speed of a Boeing 737." ground speed /= true air speed
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ctishman posted:Let's push this 737's big levers all of the way forward and see what happens.  609 mph peak ground speed
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Apr 17, 2016 06:41
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According to the earth wind map ( http://earth.nullschool.net/ set altitude on map to 250 hPa which is about 35,000') that flight would have a tail-wind at altitude of between 80 and 150 kph pretty much the entire way.
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Apr 17, 2016 07:37
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ctishman posted:Let's push this 737's big levers all of the way forward and see what happens. A Southwest flight out of Paine Field? Is that an error or what?
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Apr 17, 2016 08:23
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Linedance posted:ground speed /= true air speed I know, but fun numbers are fun
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CharlesM posted:A Southwest flight out of Paine Field? Is that an error or what? I think Boeing does some work on 737's there, so I'm guessing the airplane was at Paine for some kind of specialized maintenance that required sending it to Boeing. azflyboy fucked around with this message at 09:52 on Apr 17, 2016 |
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azflyboy posted:I think Boeing does some work on 737's there, so I'm guessing the airplane was at Paine for some kind of specialized maintenance that required sending it to Boeing. Well that's connected to their Everett factory, where they build 747s, 767s, 777s, and 787s. According to Wikipedia there's also a service company called Aviation Technical Services there too. I guess my question then is, flight numbers get assigned even to non-revenue flights?
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Apr 17, 2016 10:03
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Flight numbers are their call sign so yes of course.
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hobbesmaster posted:Flight numbers are their call sign so yes of course. Ah I see. edit: Looks like at least Southwest, Alaska, and Atlas Air do service there. Neat to learn. https://flightaware.com/live/airport/KPAE/arrivals/airline
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CharlesM posted:A Southwest flight out of Paine Field? Is that an error or what? I believe they go there to get the in flight wifi system installed. It used to be a company called Row 44, but I'm not sure if they've changed or not. They might have the newer winglet (lower ones, sharklets?) installed there, too, since 737NGs don't get them at Boeing yet.
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Apr 17, 2016 12:22
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This is a dumb problem. 
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Jealous Cow posted:This is a dumb problem. Is he holding the grounding clip?
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Apr 17, 2016 15:06
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How would one go about checking a big rolling tool box full of tools onto an airplane and would it cost a fortune?
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Preoptopus posted:How would one go about checking a big rolling tool box full of tools onto an airplane and would it cost a fortune? Depends on whether or not the airplane says FedEx on the side.
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Apr 17, 2016 17:29
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Reports that a drone hit plane on approach to Heathrow airport in London, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36067591 I know theres been 'near' misses at lots of airports but this is the first impact I've heard of.
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Apr 17, 2016 18:32
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Baconroll posted:Reports that a drone hit plane on approach to Heathrow airport in London,
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Apr 17, 2016 19:38
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Anyone here fly Air NZ with the lie-flats or the skycouch? http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/economy-skycouch Looking at taking a trip this fall and debating whether to spend the extra coin for the lie flats (basically 2x+ the price) or if buying the extra seat for a full Skycouch would be good enough for the two of us. Last time I can handle a 5-6 hour seat in Economy just fine, but the flight to Auckland looks like its 13 hours and the room would be really, really nice.
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Preoptopus posted:How would one go about checking a big rolling tool box full of tools onto an airplane and would it cost a fortune? find the airline's cargo office/terminal and do it there. It will not be cheap, probably on the order of $4-500 or more, depending on how heavy it is.
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Apr 17, 2016 20:51
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I was more impressed with the +5,000 VS
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Jealous Cow posted:This is a dumb problem. the fuel pump cart is parked the one spot where it can be reasonably guaranteed not to be smacked into by any given aircraft that might use that gate. Yeah it's more legwork for the guy lugging the hose, but if the dude had parked it in another more convenient spot and it caused aircraft damage, he's gonna wish he just parked it in the red rectangle like he was supposed to.
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I still can't tell who is joking and what is really wrong with that photo. We're not all ground crew.
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Apr 17, 2016 21:16
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The Ferret King posted:I still can't tell who is joking and what is really wrong with that photo. We're not all ground crew. I figured he brought it up because it would be a lot less work to just park the pumper closer to the refuel panel on the aircraft and not have to drag one hose to the hydrant in the ground and another hose twice the distance again back to the aircraft.
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Look closely... The grounding line strapped to his wrist is stretched as far as it can go, so he can't even use his left hand while fueling.
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Jealous Cow posted:Look closely... Lol I see it now. That's not even how it works, you clip that to the ground stud on the gear!
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Apr 17, 2016 22:44
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What refueling guy? Are you talking about the bipedal grounding cord extender?
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Prop Wash posted:What refueling guy? Are you talking about the bipedal grounding cord extender? 
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Linedance posted:Lol I see it now. That's not even how it works, you clip that to the ground stud on the gear! Since the truck he's strapped to has rubber tires he's not even actually grounded unless it has it's own separate grounding strap.
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holocaust bloopers posted:gently caress. An NVG case of all things. Poor dudes. I'm impressed they were able to figure out the cause here. It seems like it would be very easy for the obstruction to get thrown loose when the plane hit the ground. I guess it would leave marks on the piece it was blocking though.
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