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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:What's interesting is that Chrollo seems to be using Shalnark's ability. can he even borrow abilities? He's chrollo not leol
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One of his added conditions might be a way for victims to get their powers back
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Apr 21, 2016 18:09
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Kild posted:can he even borrow abilities? He's chrollo not leol He steals them, but I presume he can return them if he wants to. Anyway who wants to throw out bets on the victor.
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Apr 21, 2016 18:10
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MonsterEnvy posted:He steals them, but I presume he can return them if he wants to. Hisoka, if only because I find Chrollo's power tremendously boring.
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Apr 21, 2016 18:12
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MonsterEnvy posted:He steals them, but I presume he can return them if he wants to. What kind of thief gives back poo poo some sort of draw the explodes the arena.
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Apr 21, 2016 18:13
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Chrollo ran around collecting new abilities to prepare for his fight with Hisoka, but why Shalnark? How is his nen ability supposed to be effective against Hisoka? And yes, Hisoka should totally win because he is a much more interesting character.
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Apr 21, 2016 18:15
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He might have borrowed all the troupe's abilities?
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Serious Frolicking posted:Chrollo ran around collecting new abilities to prepare for his fight with Hisoka, but why Shalnark? How is his nen ability supposed to be effective against Hisoka? Because if he puts the pin in he wins.
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Apr 21, 2016 18:26
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If there is something OP in nen, it's combining abilities. Think their original tactic in CA arc, Melereon's invisibility + Knuckle's nen sealing. So the ability of both stealing several developed nen skills and using two of them can be devastating. Still, I trust in Hisoka sheer genius.He isn't fazed at all.
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Turin Turambar posted:If there is something OP in nen, it's combining abilities. Think their original tactic in CA arc, Melereon's invisibility + Knuckle's nen sealing. So the ability of both stealing several developed nen skills and using two of them can be devastating. Hisoka's probably aiming to look for Chrollo's conditions to exploit at this point.
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Apr 21, 2016 18:49
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This week's chapter was bananas and completely unexpected.
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Serious Frolicking posted:Chrollo ran around collecting new abilities to prepare for his fight with Hisoka, but why Shalnark? How is his nen ability supposed to be effective against Hisoka? If Chrollo pins Hisoka, that's game. He knows Hisoka knows this, so it's really more of a persistent deterrent throughout the fight - now Hisoka's going to be approaching him with more caution because he knows Chrollo can one-shot him if he gets too brash.
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Oxxidation posted:now Hisoka's going to be approaching him with more caution And by that you mean running straight at him with an erection, right?
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Boogaleeboo posted:And by that you mean running straight at him with an erection, right? This is also what chrollo wants
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Apr 21, 2016 19:19
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It's pretty clever, since nearly all of Hisoka's fights have him slowly baiting his opponent into fighting on his terms and then one-shotting them when their guard is down. The pins immediately have Hisoka playing keep-away instead, plus Chrollo also makes a point of saying that he can mix and match his powers now, so the situation's been reversed.
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Apr 21, 2016 19:25
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Also cool to see hisoka use his gum to the maximum effect. He can really launch dudes now. It's gonna be a contest to see if Hisoka can keep his wits in a barrage of synergistic nen-hax and i love it
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Okay I thought that spoiler was possibly someone getting misled by a fake or something but no, this is really happening, wow. This raises a lot of questions, though one of the most important, I think, is, "Where is the nen beast?" Abengane's exorcisms produce those, with size corresponding to the strength of the nen being dispelled; there's no way Kurapika's nen didn't produce something massive. Chrollo doesn't have it on him, though; is it with Abengane, perhaps? That'd be an unfortunate drawback to his power, the beast being stuck with him rather than whoever he's exorcising the nen for; hopefully he got well compensated for it in that case because it's presumably sticking around for a long time. Or maybe, his bookmark had another purpose: Keeping the Owl's power (or something similar) active to shrink and store the beast somewhere so it's not a hassle for him to deal with. I wouldn't be surprised if Chrollo was lying about there only being the one in order to hide something like that. I also wonder what conditions he had to make to upgrade his power so much. Among other things; this chapter raises so many questions. How'd Chrollo get Shalnark's power? Why's he still toying with Hisoka if he's made contact with the rest of the Troupe? Where is the rest of the Troupe, anyway? Where on earth did this even come from, narratively? How on earth is this going to resolve? (Actually, I wouldn't be too surprised if Chrollo died here, both to keep Hisoka around and as a sort of progress in Kurapika's story; him putting friendship over revenge in Yorknew was a big moment, and after that arc he's been focused on finding the eyes over killing the Troupe. Plus, he already beat Chrollo once.) This is such a weird turn of events.
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Apr 21, 2016 19:32
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Hisoka is going to win. The real question at this point is how much of a fight will Chrollo actually give him before it's all over.
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Apr 21, 2016 19:33
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Maybe togashi sent in a load of chapters and the wrong one got published this week.
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NecroMonster posted:Hisoka is going to win. Hisoka will do the thing where he gets really busted up, but he's totally ok with that and then he'll OUTSKILL you out of nowhere. It's gonna be some next level poo poo Edit: it's just that if he does one mistake, he'll lose the fight, lose his nen and likely die Wild Horses fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Apr 21, 2016 |
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Apr 21, 2016 19:36
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I'm glad we're getting the fight and its probably why its off hiatus and togashi is actually dying so he would at least just make this but alternatively its all going to be a dream
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So Chrollo has his nen back, which means that the Spiders no longer have a reason to leave Kurapika alive.
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Roland Jones posted:Among other things; this chapter raises so many questions. How'd Chrollo get Shalnark's power? Why's he still toying with Hisoka if he's made contact with the rest of the Troupe? Where is the rest of the Troupe, anyway? Where on earth did this even come from, narratively? How on earth is this going to resolve? (Actually, I wouldn't be too surprised if Chrollo died here, both to keep Hisoka around and as a sort of progress in Kurapika's story; him putting friendship over revenge in Yorknew was a big moment, and after that arc he's been focused on finding the eyes over killing the Troupe. Plus, he already beat Chrollo once.) Chrollo explains why he fights Hisoka in the chapter; if he lets Hisoka live Hisoka's just going to constantly bug him for a deathmatch so he's settling it now. He's either confident he can take him out one on one or doesn't want the other Troupe members involved (probably the same reason as Kite had with Gon). I wouldn't be surprised if there were some Troupe members in the crowd ready to take on Hisoka if he manages to kill Chrollo, and they can watch him fight and get some hints on his Nen power. Chrollo has a higher chance of losing here, metanarratively speaking, since we're already aware of the general strategy Kurapika would use to take down Chrollo; Hisoka beating him is more interesting since he doesn't have a skillset designed to beat Chrollo. If Hisoka beats him that can also lead to a potential Hisoka/Kurapika dream team up since the Troupe will target both of them. Then there's also the Troupe figuring out who to pick for the new leader which could be interesting to read about. If Hisoka loses on the other hand we lose one of the best characters in the story and the status quo with the Troupe remains the same. Can Of Worms fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Apr 21, 2016 |
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Kurapika also doesn't have any real pressing reason to go after the Spiders anymore, after all, his objective has changed from revenge to collection. And the Spiders aren't exactly suicidal, so it's unlikely most of them would be all that willing to go after Kurapika.
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Chrollo landing the pin should be a checkmate, but Hisoka is clever enough to set up some kind of rube goldberg ruse to win even after losing complete control of his body.
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Broseph Brostar posted:Chrollo landing the pin should be a checkmate, but Hisoka is clever enough to set up some kind of rube goldberg ruse to win even after losing complete control of his body. I'd first guess amputation if there's enough of a lag between getting hit and losing control . My second guess would be a thick layer of bungee gum to trap it without touching Hisoka
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If Chrollo loses because he's explaining all his poo poo I will be mad about animes. Togashi is usually better than that though.
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Clearly he's going to bungee gum the entire audience to dogpile Chrollo.
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the ultimate togashi thing to do here is to have chrollo go down like a chump leaving hisoka with the worst case of murder blue balls ever
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It would be fairly interesting if Hisoka actually dies from this. That's pretty much a game changer for the story, and meta speaking it's the one thing that will suprise/piss of the most people, given how much more of a favorite Hisoka is. Of course, Chrollo dying also means a lot of plot about the Ryodans.
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its going to be a dream and the ultimate troll
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Arkeus posted:It would be fairly interesting if Hisoka actually dies from this. That's pretty much a game changer for the story, and meta speaking it's the one thing that will suprise/piss of the most people, given how much more of a favorite Hisoka is. Hisoka dying means the Troupe can move on to their next goal, killing that son of a bitch Kurapika, which would throw yet another wrench into the Dark Continent stuff/set up the post-Continent arc, also. Then again, Chrollo dying could lead to the same I suppose. Still, Hisoka's kind of in an odd place now, narratively; his thing for Gon kind of doesn't matter unless Gon gets his powers back and stuff, and while he also was interested in Killua, Kurapika, and even Leorio, it never had nearly the prominence the Gon thing did. He doesn't really have any other plots to him either besides the Chrollo thing; if he died, the story would lose a character, but none of its arcs would be affected that weren't already messed up with Gon's powers disappearing. Really, the primary thing making Hisoka seem like the more likely survivor here is that he's practically the fifth main character, and I'm not sure if that means as much as we're giving it credit for. We'll see, I suppose.
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Well, this was a random time to come back to this plot thread with everything else going on, but based on the chapter count it would be the start of a new volume so why the heck not. I wonder what relevance this will have to any of the dark continent stuff or if one of them is really going to die. I swear right before the last hiatus happened his editor said something about there being some big twist coming up, I wonder if it's related to this or the story changed since then or if I just made all that up. Also I'm digging Chrollo's new(ish) look.
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the big twist is that Kurapika is a Spider now, and will be the leader of the Spiders after Hisoka kills Chrollo.
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While I like Hisoka more then Chrollo. I have a feeling that Chrollo is going to take this. Then he and the troupe will likely go after Kurapika for payback. Chrollo was disabled for about a year or so and Kurapika cost them two members, plus they already wanted revenge just for Uvo. Killing Kurapika should also help out their ally Abengane as well. As killing Kurapika will get rid of the nen beast he has on him. So my guess is Chrollo wins.
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Roland Jones posted:Then again, Chrollo dying could lead to the same I suppose. Still, Hisoka's kind of in an odd place now, narratively; his thing for Gon kind of doesn't matter unless Gon gets his powers back and stuff, and while he also was interested in Killua, Kurapika, and even Leorio, it never had nearly the prominence the Gon thing did. He doesn't really have any other plots to him either besides the Chrollo thing; if he died, the story would lose a character, but none of its arcs would be affected that weren't already messed up with Gon's powers disappearing. Eh, I disagree. Hisoka has always been pretty mysterious and what we saw of him was basically just a very small section of his life that happened to intersect with main story. Neither the Hunter's Exam, Heaven's Arena or the Ryodan were really something that was about him, they were all just means to an end, none of them were actually things he did on a regular basis. Same is true for his interests Gon. Sure, he saw him as a potential target, but it's not like he actively stalked him. He stumbled into them by accident a couple of times. e X fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Apr 21, 2016 |
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