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Phanatic posted:No, that wasn't the standard. There was no standard. That's the point of the case: the laws being challenged are implied consent laws that state that by operating a motor vehicle on public roadways, you have already consented to the search. A search that you consent to requires no probable cause, it doesn't even require reasonable suspicion. "Can I search your poo poo?" "Sure thing, officer, go ahead," has always been entirely legal even if the officer has no probable cause that you've committed a crime. In the case before the Supreme Court the defendants were drunk off their rear end, "probable cause" would have been a trivial bar to clear, but they're challenging their convictions because they cops didn't even have to do that. That's not correct. Under the implied consent statutes the blood draws and breath tests are compulsory only after a valid arrest which always requires probable cause. The police can't just pull you over and bring you to the station and stick a needle in your arm for no reason and they couldn't even do it following an arrest for driving without a license. The North Dakota statute reads: The test or tests must be administered at the direction of a law enforcement officer only after placing the individual, except individuals mentioned in section 39-20-03, under arrest and informing that individual that the individual is or will be charged with the offense of driving or being in actual physical control of a vehicle upon the public highways while under the influence of intoxicating liquor, drugs, or a combination thereof. http://www.legis.nd.gov/cencode/t39c20.pdf?20160422111652 The standard for arrests is always probable cause therefore the standard of proof wouldn't change with a warrant. If I'm the defense attorney in the system as it stands I'm going to argue that my client shouldn't have been administered the test because the police didn't have probable cause to believe my client was drunk. It's the same argument with the warrant, I'm arguing that there wasn't sufficient probable cause for the warrant to have been issued. It's the same argument except with a warrant it's actually EASIER for the state to win because there's a presumption that warrants issued by a neutral and detached magistrate are valid. Yes, literally speaking there now are two probable cause arguments, probable cause for the arrest, and probable cause to get the blood draw but the evidence for one is the same as the other.
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Stare-Out posted:As deliciously schadenfreudy as that is, Kingdoms of Amalur was a legitimately good game and it sucks that it'll never get a sequel. I just realized I was given a dvd copy of this game as a present from my brother a few years ago. Havent even opened it yet. Kind of weird playing, in Australia, a game owned by the state of Rhode Island.
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Ozz81 posted:Ha, this is great West Point Bridge Designer, perhaps?
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Kurieg posted:New fail army You just know there was more great stuff after the clip of the new motorcycle rider.
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Kurieg posted:New fail army    I just want to watch the news.
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I'm from here. When they showed the graffiti slurs on the news everyone knew they were fake. A violent attacker isn't going to spray paint things like "DIE human being" in very feminine bubble letters. Of course there was also security footage from the hardware store of her buying the spray paint and rope.
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Thanks for all the guesses guys it is probably one of the ones mentioned but I still can't find it. I remember it talking about one woman that was holding onto a railing and wouldn't even let go when another passenger was screaming at her she'd die if she didn't come on. That always chilled me thinking about who I'd be in that situation. In the few near misses I've had I've always been pretty removed from the situation but would I panic if I was certain it was death?Slugnoid posted:There was that Korean ship that sank a year or two ago where most of the students just sat around and waited to die because the crew told them to remain seated and stay calm, then abandoned ship. I think they found a good number of them still in their rooms afterwards.
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Kurieg posted:New fail army I will never understand the fear of needles
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Sloober posted:I will never understand the fear of needles Invasion of the private sphere and the possibility that it can hurt quite a bit, if the person handling the needle is new or unskilled, or if your veins tend to roll or are hard to pierce, in the case of blood samples.
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My favorite bit is that she keeps squirming while the needle is in and screaming about how it hurts and the nurse is all "It hurts because you're moving, idiot." That said, some people have severe Vagus reponses if they know they're getting pricked by a needle(me included) but that's less fear and more "I would really prefer not fainting right now so I'm just going to look at the wall and pretend I'm not getting poked."
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Kurieg posted:My favorite bit is that she keeps squirming while the needle is in and screaming about how it hurts and the nurse is all "It hurts because you're moving, idiot." Bet you loved this part: https://youtu.be/9crCGMh4j9g
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That didn't bother me much cause it's third person and cartoony as hell. This one made me a little uncomfortable though. http://youtu.be/RrX2ZDFu0eY
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Kurieg posted:That didn't bother me much cause it's third person and cartoony as hell.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTNxEzvfG6I&t=167s
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Platystemon posted:West Point Bridge Designer, perhaps? Might have been it, I'll have to dink around and see...there was a bridge one, then another physics-type program that was mainly lines and anchor points style. You could build out little hills, adjust friction, make little vehicles with the shape tools, and then "test" everything. I'd always build little cars or cycles with stick figures and turn the gravity to half, friction to near nothing, and launch them all over the place like a madman. Pretty fun stuff 
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:Also the possibility that the person getting the needle suffers from a debilitating case of GIGANTIC PUSSYITIS. This. I work at a lab and at least once a week someone comes in who acts like this. We tell them to gently caress off and come back when they can act like an adult - not in those exact words, but pretty much. We can deal with phobics and fainters, but this histrionic bullshit is beyond stupid, not to mention dangerous to the patient and the phlebotomist. Also, veins don't roll, float, sink, fly, or run away from needles. Just stick out your goddamn arm. Content: The bird in the pipe was my favorite.  Canuckistan posted:Some schadenfreude courtesy of our own Lowtax: Mmm-mmm that's some yummy schadenfreude right there. 
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KozmoNaut posted:Invasion of the private sphere and the possibility that it can hurt quite a bit, if the person handling the needle is new or unskilled, or if your veins tend to roll or are hard to pierce, in the case of blood samples. I have needlephobia (not crippling: I can grit my teeth, close my eyes and bear it, but the anxiety leading up to it is really intense) and for me it's more about some sort of perception of my veins and arteries as something that absolutely should not be pierced and the very mental image of that happening is horrifying to me. I also just generally get anxious and uncomfortable when looking at veins (mine or other people's) that are very pronounced and close to the surface of the skin. When people push them around and touch them it makes me shudder with revulsion.
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Karma Monkey posted:This. I work at a lab and at least once a week someone comes in who acts like this. We tell them to gently caress off and come back when they can act like an adult - not in those exact words, but pretty much. We can deal with phobics and fainters, but this histrionic bullshit is beyond stupid, not to mention dangerous to the patient and the phlebotomist. Also, veins don't roll, float, sink, fly, or run away from needles. Just stick out your goddamn arm. Though I did get to see an absolutely amazing face from my phlebotomist the one time they drew blood while I was hooked up to a BP monitor. She looked like she had just accidentally injected me with ground glass and HCL while my attending just waved it off like it was any other day. quote:Mmm-mmm that's some yummy schadenfreude right there. On page 2 she starts antagonizing her detractors so she can get choicer quotes for her revenge blog. quote:I think I'll quit my job and move back home for six months to work out these dad/brother issues. I don't know any therapists, but maybe I can find a good stylist who will listen to all my problems and tell me what to do. Probably cheaper, or not....but my hair will look AMAZING.
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Karma Monkey posted:Also, veins don't roll, float, sink, fly, or run away from needles. Just stick out your goddamn arm. I made last nurse that drew my blood uncomfortable because I watched intently, and asked if he needed me to flex or anything while the needle was in. I acted like that girl when I was two, but then I grew the gently caress up. Karma Monkey posted:Content: The bird in the pipe was my favorite. The bird in the pipe was godamned amazing.
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Canuckistan posted:Some schadenfreude courtesy of our own Lowtax: So tasty I might place a to-go order for later
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Birdman aka Stunna aka Baby went on a rap morning show, The Breakfast Club, in hopes of intimidating the hosts. Now everyone is making fun of him http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2016/04/12-funny-memes-featuring-birdmans-the-breakfast-club-interview/
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MrYenko posted:I made last nurse that drew my blood uncomfortable because I watched intently, and asked if he needed me to flex or anything while the needle was in. I acted like that girl when I was two, but then I grew the gently caress up. Yea, what's funny is that the kids (older than babies and toddlers) are usually pretty good with it as long as their parents aren't acting stupid. My favorite was a little girl who watched the whole process calmly and intently and remarked to her mom that the butterfly needle looked like a crazy straw. "Is that my blood?" "Yes." "Cool!" When I realized I had to take a phlebotomy course to get my CMA, I was nearly freaking out because I didn't think there was any way I could stand doing it, but it turned out I had a decent feel for it and once you get into the science of the tests and just how amazing blood is for diagnostics, there's no turning back. I realize this probably doesn't work for the average person or the truly needle phobic though. Sorry, ya'll. Just try to stay calm and still and you'll most likely survive it. 
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Kurieg posted:Oh god someone found Dupree's blog Well, based on the Duran Duran video and her description, that's yer classic living doll fetish right there, yup. Also, is that Joe Pantoliano as the scientist/salesman in the video?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK1g5dMYR3s
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Kurieg posted:Oh god someone found Dupree's blog And she's apparently deleted the whole thing already: https://jessicanexus.wordpress.com/ We still got it 
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Karma Monkey posted:Yea, what's funny is that the kids (older than babies and toddlers) are usually pretty good with it as long as their parents aren't acting stupid. My favorite was a little girl who watched the whole process calmly and intently and remarked to her mom that the butterfly needle looked like a crazy straw. "Is that my blood?" "Yes." "Cool!" What really pisses me off is when the nurse claims it won't hurt. It's never appropriate to lie to kids, but lying to them about something like that is just cruel. Young kids take their cues from their parents, and if their parents are matter-of-fact and honest about it, kids will deal. I really have to wonder what trauma that girl underwent to make her react like that, though.
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LogisticEarth posted:And she's apparently deleted the whole thing already: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDzWyhXonMU Aerdan posted:What really pisses me off is when the nurse claims it won't hurt. It's never appropriate to lie to kids, but lying to them about something like that is just cruel. Young kids take their cues from their parents, and if their parents are matter-of-fact and honest about it, kids will deal. I really have to wonder what trauma that girl underwent to make her react like that, though. Agreed! No one I work with does that poo poo. Of course it hurts, it's a piece of steel piercing your skin. BUT, it doesn't have to hurt that bad. A lot of it is skill and a lot more of it is expectation. Tell them it will sting or feel like a pinch, or that it will only hurt for a few seconds and it will go way better than lying. Also, it actually hurts kids less than adults because their skin is much softer. What's as bad as lying that it won't hurt at all is the parents who make such a big drama that the kid thinks it's gonna feel like they're getting their arm chopped off. Some people practically condition their kids to have a lifelong phobia - or in the case of lying, to have a lifelong fear/distrust of medical staff. 
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Darkhold posted:Thanks for all the guesses guys it is probably one of the ones mentioned but I still can't find it.
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LogisticEarth posted:And she's apparently deleted the whole thing already: The blog was only 10 days old and was created almost exclusively to promote her books and doll fetish porn. Her coming here and setting off SA was calculated but I don't think they were expecting quite the reaction they got.
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KozmoNaut posted:Invasion of the private sphere and the possibility that it can hurt quite a bit, if the person handling the needle is new or unskilled, or if your veins tend to roll or are hard to pierce, in the case of blood samples. Ya I used to give blood and while the vast majority of nurses are hella pro, there will always be some that are just really loving bad at finding the vein. I had one whose hands were shaking all over the place and it took at least 3 stabs to get blood out. Hurt like gently caress. If you're already uncomfortable with needles and something like that was your first experience, no doubt you'd freak out at the mere thought of another one. Oh just remembered I got acupuncture for a while too. She was really good, but one time she hit a nerve directly and my arm literally spasmed and it felt like it was being shredded. Carthag Tuek has a new favorite as of 01:49 on Apr 23, 2016 |
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