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Silva knocked Okami out with a kick from the guard. I will say this to my dying day
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projecthalaxy posted:What are some funny/notable stories of fighters missing weight? I just read about Shark Fights 17, where Karl Knothe missed weight by 24 pounds as nobody told him his fight with Ricco Rodriguez was signed at a 230 catchweight instead of the 265 he trained for. He was disqualified. Is there a better story out there? In some B-league promotion I think Huggy Bear once signed to fight a guy at heavyweight but he didn't even try to get down and came in at like 315lbs
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Kinda a lame question but I just remembered someone in the last game day thread confused that someone with no record or something was given the blue corner. So...do corners 'matter'? I genuinely always figured it was a random thing, is there a 'meaning' behind who gets what?
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Kinda a lame question but I just remembered someone in the last game day thread confused that someone with no record or something was given the blue corner. So...do corners 'matter'? I genuinely always figured it was a random thing, is there a 'meaning' behind who gets what? Corners don't matter in the slightest. As far as order goes, the champion is supposed to walk out first, and some people get really shirty about that, but it doesn't matter in the slightest, either.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Kinda a lame question but I just remembered someone in the last game day thread confused that someone with no record or something was given the blue corner. So...do corners 'matter'? I genuinely always figured it was a random thing, is there a 'meaning' behind who gets what? That's an interesting question. I thought it was something like "The champ comes out second" or "the bigger name" in a non title fight, so he then gets the (red?) corner, so people could be confused why some no name guy fighting someone came out second and got the other corner?
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fatherdog posted:Corners don't matter in the slightest. As far as order goes, the champion is supposed to walk out first, and some people get really shirty about that, but it doesn't matter in the slightest, either. Has a champion actually walked out first before? Old days or something?
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origami posted:Has a champion actually walked out first before? Old days or something? When it's champ vs interim champ sometimes its the champ first and sometimes the interim, mostly down to who the UFC likes better.
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Interesting, thanks!
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fatherdog posted:When it's champ vs interim champ sometimes its the champ first and sometimes the interim, mostly down to who the UFC likes better. Not so sure about this. I can't remember the last time an interim champ came out after the actual champ and that includes the UFC's favorite son, Conor McGregor. I'm not sure if "the champ comes out before the challenger" is an old school thing but I don't recall it ever happening, at least not in my time watching in the past five years or so.
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fatherdog posted:Corners don't matter in the slightest. As far as order goes, the champion is supposed to walk out first, and some people get really shirty about that, but it doesn't matter in the slightest, either. Doesn't the champ almost always come out last?
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fatherdog posted:When it's champ vs interim champ sometimes its the champ first and sometimes the interim, mostly down to who the UFC likes better. The champ is always in the red corner so walks out and is introduced second, I can't think of a single time its been different
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He expended too much energy and got tired
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Dangersim posted:The champ is always in the red corner so walks out and is introduced second, I can't think of a single time its been different Yeah, challenger always has blue wraps.
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LordPants posted:
As pointed out they still happen and there's also less time spent in guard due to quicker stand-ups, but mainly they're just way less common now due to everyone being at least somewhat trained in BJJ (so yes to your second question).
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LordPants posted:This question is based upon my observation and because I don't watch hours and hours of MMA I may be completely wrong, but: Triangles used to be more common, but not to a huge degree. Here are some charts that break down subs by year, from 2013. http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/Most-common-subs-in-UFC-history-graphically-displayed-440869
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Kekekela posted:As pointed out they still happen and there's also less time spent in guard due to quicker stand-ups, but mainly they're just way less common now due to everyone being at least somewhat trained in BJJ (so yes to your second question). I don't think stand ups have gotten quicker I think people have just gotten much better at getting back to their feet
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Dangersim posted:I don't think stand ups have gotten quicker I think people have just gotten much better at getting back to their feet I agree they're way better at getting back to their feet. I thought stand-ups were quicker also but I'm probably just selectively remembering lovely stand-ups.
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We were discussing works and shoot fighting in the UFC thread, and I wondered if anyone had links to videos where a work turned into a shoot and it actually became a real fight in a pro wrestling org. Like is there a video of the hulkster actually throwing down with someone, or is that something that happens more at minor league type stuff?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lXAGZtMxU8 I'm sure I first saw this here so thank you whomever.
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The Sphinxster posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lXAGZtMxU8 I've seen this once before forever ago. Thanks!
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The Sphinxster posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lXAGZtMxU8  Nice. quote:On December 8, 1977, he lost a notorious match against Antonio Inoki.[4] The match took a turn for the worse when Barichievich inexplicably began to no-sell Inoki's attacks and then attack Inoki, causing Inoki to shoot on Barichievich, legitimately palm striking, kicking, then finally stomping him into a bloody mess. I also remember seeing footage of some scrub MMA guy trying to kimura Kurt Angle during a WWE event and Angle keeping up kayfabe and powering through it. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_12qn29WKA
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Angle was real lucky that the ref had the presence of mind to do the 3 count right there, that kimura would've been real bad.
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1st AD posted:Angle was real lucky that the ref had the presence of mind to do the 3 count right there, that kimura would've been real bad. Puder would have broken his arm for sure. Angle was hosed and got saved.
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Speaking of Kimura, here's the armlock's namesake on the wrong side of a shoot incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtwqmU2eV6M The Sphinxster posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lXAGZtMxU8
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Did the Steiners ever shoot on anybody? I know they worked stiff against jobbers, especially Scott, and I can imagine either one of them deciding to double leg some jabroni and then beating them senseless.
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There was an incident with someone fighting back against Rick at a Florida indy in 2005, but that didn't escalate too badly. Otherwise people generally took their lumps in silence.
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I thought this was the combat sports thread. Can someone explain what a shoot and work is?
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UFC thread had the answersfatherdog posted:"Shoot" and "work" are prowrestling terms. A "work" or "worked match" is a predetermined pro-wrestling match. A "shoot" is a real fight. To "shoot" on someone means to break script and go after them in a worked match/situation.
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I believe it was akira maeda fighting Andre the giant. Andre was drunk as gently caress like usual, so maeda just starts low kicking him until he leaves.
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Fozzy The Bear posted:I thought this was the combat sports thread. Can someone explain what a shoot and work is? I just figured it was the best place to ask because I didn't readily see a rassling q&a thread and I wanted to see people actually fight.
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Last year in Japanese women's wrestling organization World Wonder Stardom, YOSHIKO took on Act Yasukawa. Apparently they'd had some issues in the past and potentially YOSHIKO didn't want to drop the title to Act, but whatever the case, YOSHIKO instantly turns things into a shoot and starts punching the gently caress out of Act. Act, who already had some health issues, including limited sight in one eye, was left with a broken orbital, nose and cheekbone, ultimately forcing her retirement. YOSHIKO was indefinitely suspended and then released. As far as I'm aware, she hasn't worked again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBXq5clKi7o
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LobsterMobster posted:Last year in Japanese women's wrestling organization World Wonder Stardom, YOSHIKO took on Act Yasukawa. Apparently they'd had some issues in the past and potentially YOSHIKO didn't want to drop the title to Act, but whatever the case, YOSHIKO instantly turns things into a shoot and starts punching the gently caress out of Act. Act, who already had some health issues, including limited sight in one eye, was left with a broken orbital, nose and cheekbone, ultimately forcing her retirement. YOSHIKO was indefinitely suspended and then released. As far as I'm aware, she hasn't worked again at the vid at your knowledge of Japanese women's pro wrestling.
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LobsterMobster posted:Last year in Japanese women's wrestling organization World Wonder Stardom, YOSHIKO took on Act Yasukawa. Apparently they'd had some issues in the past and potentially YOSHIKO didn't want to drop the title to Act, but whatever the case, YOSHIKO instantly turns things into a shoot and starts punching the gently caress out of Act. Act, who already had some health issues, including limited sight in one eye, was left with a broken orbital, nose and cheekbone, ultimately forcing her retirement. YOSHIKO was indefinitely suspended and then released. As far as I'm aware, she hasn't worked again jesus christ
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That YOSHIKO lady seems like a real piece of poo poo.
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LobsterMobster posted:Last year in Japanese women's wrestling organization World Wonder Stardom, YOSHIKO took on Act Yasukawa. Apparently they'd had some issues in the past and potentially YOSHIKO didn't want to drop the title to Act, but whatever the case, YOSHIKO instantly turns things into a shoot and starts punching the gently caress out of Act. Act, who already had some health issues, including limited sight in one eye, was left with a broken orbital, nose and cheekbone, ultimately forcing her retirement. YOSHIKO was indefinitely suspended and then released. As far as I'm aware, she hasn't worked again Jesus christ, I thought it was over after the first time they dragged her lifeless body back to the corner.
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LobsterMobster posted:Last year in Japanese women's wrestling organization World Wonder Stardom, YOSHIKO took on Act Yasukawa. Apparently they'd had some issues in the past and potentially YOSHIKO didn't want to drop the title to Act, but whatever the case, YOSHIKO instantly turns things into a shoot and starts punching the gently caress out of Act. Act, who already had some health issues, including limited sight in one eye, was left with a broken orbital, nose and cheekbone, ultimately forcing her retirement. YOSHIKO was indefinitely suspended and then released. As far as I'm aware, she hasn't worked again Apparently she fought in something called SEAdLINNNG in March. I didn't know that there was enough demand to support multiple competing promotions. I doubt I've watched women pro-wrestling since GLOW.
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Brain Curry posted:Apparently she fought in something called SEAdLINNNG in March. I didn't know that there was enough demand to support multiple competing promotions. I doubt I've watched women pro-wrestling since GLOW.
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I'm an mma fan who has been watching some boxing lately. There seem to be a few boxers on insane win streaks--I think GGG, chocaltito and Mayweather all have 20+ wins and I could be unaware of some others. How come boxing has win streaks like this as opposed to mma where any double digit win streak is insane? Not really expecting a definitive answer but wouldn't mind people in the know articulating on it a little bit
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Sharzak posted:I'm an mma fan who has been watching some boxing lately. There seem to be a few boxers on insane win streaks--I think GGG, chocaltito and Mayweather all have 20+ wins and I could be unaware of some others. How come boxing has win streaks like this as opposed to mma where any double digit win streak is insane? Not really expecting a definitive answer but wouldn't mind people in the know articulating on it a little bit the UFC makes a decent effort at matching up their best guys against each other to produce meaningful fights. big name boxers, by and large, get to pick their fights and will duck legitimate contenders until they've deteriorated enough to be beatable. basically boxers are way less concerned with how legitimate their sport looks.
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Sharzak posted:I'm an mma fan who has been watching some boxing lately. There seem to be a few boxers on insane win streaks--I think GGG, chocaltito and Mayweather all have 20+ wins and I could be unaware of some others. How come boxing has win streaks like this as opposed to mma where any double digit win streak is insane? Not really expecting a definitive answer but wouldn't mind people in the know articulating on it a little bit Not a regular/longtime boxing fan, but as I understand it, part of it has to do with it's more common to see fighters cherry-pick their opponents since fighters and their managers have a lot more say in setting up bout agreements in boxing than they do in MMA. Mayweather in particular gets a lot of flack in certain circles for taking a lot of fights against fighters in certain sweet spots of their career where they were getting attention as prospects but were still green and untested or they had a name and legacy but were clearly over the hill. It's kind of the same deal with why anytime Fedor comes up, it starts an argument over whether his big long win streak actually meant anything since it had a lot of Japanese cans in it. Another part of it is obviously there are a lot more ways you can gently caress up and lose in MMA than in boxing. In high level boxing you have to be really good at several facets of one discipline, but in high level MMA you have to be at least competent at several facets of several disciplines, so a guy who is just mediocre everywhere might catch a win over someone who's an absolute phenom at striking but has poor takedown defense and only marginally competent submission defense, so it creates a wider range of that "anything can happen" range. In boxing you still have those stylistic matchups but it tends to be a lot more granular like "he's really good at using the philly shell but his footwork could be better," which I would imagine creates a much smaller window of error for an opponent to take advantage of than "this is our golden twink Sage Northcutt, his striking is good but he doesn't know what a takedown is." (Anyone who actually knows what they're talking about, feel free to tell me to shut up.)
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Sharzak posted:I'm an mma fan who has been watching some boxing lately. There seem to be a few boxers on insane win streaks--I think GGG, chocaltito and Mayweather all have 20+ wins and I could be unaware of some others. How come boxing has win streaks like this as opposed to mma where any double digit win streak is insane? Not really expecting a definitive answer but wouldn't mind people in the know articulating on it a little bit Records get padded out heavily for promotional reasons. As to how and when it got to that point I don't know, but it's been the case for a long time now. To start with there's the fact that most prospects fight tons of amateur fights before they turn pro (which they might lose in) that doesn't go on their record. Most MMA fighters leap to pro fights very quickly regardless if they take place on a gambling boat in front of 20 people or not. Even after prospects have shown they are capable enough to be a top talent they still get fed a ton of cans when they turn pro and also during their peak in between actual challenging fights. It's just the nature of the business. People have become so conditioned into thinking 30-6 looks like a poo poo record in boxing that boxers and their promotional teams really pad them out. Most boxers don't actually start taking challenging fights until they've become a name/draw and are secure in taking a loss. They get to choose their own fights, they aren't matched up with someone at their skill level instantly by a central organization like the UFC. To aid in the padding of records and promotion it's worth noting that boxing is ridiculously corrupt to it's core. Judges and refs frequently favor prospects regardless of in ring action and this trickles down to the lowest levels. I watched a prospect fight a journeyman kid from philly in atlantic city about a month ago and I'm not kidding you when I say the dude from Philly won all but maybe one round and then lost on the cards as the entire arena booed. I don't even remember if this was a televised event or not. One of the things you can be glad about while watching the UFC is knowing that the bad decisions happen just because of sheer incompetence on behalf of the judges based on the number of times poo poo judging has derailed the UFCs business interests. A few of the many advantages the UFC has over boxing when it comes to promotion are that they are their own massive promotional machine, they can force the best to fight the best, and that the fans understand a 15-9 record doesn't mean someone is poo poo. There's a lot more to this and I'm not an expert/rambling but you get the point. Boxing is a clusterfuck with the ABC belts, opponent dodging, can crushing, etc. and it's a shame the sport is where it is because great boxing matches that are fairly reffed and judged between top talents might be my favorite thing to watch in combat sports. They just rarely happen. Seltzer fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Apr 27, 2016 |
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