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KomradeX posted:I'm normally very against the death penalty, but I approve of it in the cases of people that have committed war crimes and other human atrocities of that level. But I also don't fool myself by claiming it as a deterrent, it's entirely as retribution for committing some vile evil poo poo. Why should retribution only extend to crimes above a certain magnitude? How do you justify it there, but not for your day-to-day slights and injuries?
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SedanChair posted:Oh have you figured out a way to seize the hidden assets of El Chapo and Karl Rove? Maybe he doesn't have any, though. Quite simple make life hell for Swiss and Cayman Islands banks. A few clients thrown under the train compared to easy buisness with a nation.
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Killing murderers is granting them a final moral victory. "Yes, this is how problems get solved, murderer. But I, the state, am the ultimate murderer and am bigger than you."
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May 14, 2016 19:00
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Crowsbeak posted:Quite simple make life hell for Swiss and Cayman Islands banks. A few clients thrown under the train compared to easy buisness with a nation. If it's so simple, why haven't we done it yet? Making "does something crowsbeak thinks is really bad" the definition of treason may not make it harder but I don't see why it would make it easier.
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May 14, 2016 19:02
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We can not kill murderers. We can kill babies. We can kill murderers. We can not kill babies. Both are black and white stances and can't have any grey area. Nope.
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May 14, 2016 19:03
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SedanChair posted:Killing murderers is granting them a final moral victory. "Yes, this is how problems get solved, murderer. But I, the state, am the ultimate murderer and am bigger than you." Words to live by.
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May 14, 2016 19:06
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MariusLecter posted:Crowsbeak, you have been found guilty of quintuple rape-murder-larceny, you are condemned to exile. I think all people exiled from their own country should be sent to United Nations property. 
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May 14, 2016 19:07
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Mr Hootington posted:We can not kill murderers. We can kill babies. You are killing murderers, you are not killing babies. How about you stop killing murderers like a loving civilized nation.
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May 14, 2016 19:08
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MariusLecter posted:Know what is cost effective? Why not just sign up for Amazon death? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDcGKFOtSMU
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May 14, 2016 19:08
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Crowsbeak posted:Quite simple make life hell for Swiss and Cayman Islands banks. A few clients thrown under the train compared to easy buisness with a nation. This may come as a shock but Switzerland is not within the United States jurisdiction
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May 14, 2016 19:09
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SedanChair posted:Killing murderers is granting them a final moral victory. "Yes, this is how problems get solved, murderer. But I, the state, am the ultimate murderer and am bigger than you." It seems more like punishing someone for engaging in specialist work without a licence to me. 
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SedanChair posted:If it's so simple, why haven't we done it yet? Making "does something crowsbeak thinks is really bad" the definition of treason may not make it harder but I don't see why it would make it easier. Well of course you have no problem with rigging elections but then you think everyone is chomping at the bit to leave Amerikkka.
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May 14, 2016 19:10
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botany posted:You are killing murderers, you are not killing babies. How about you stop killing murderers like a loving civilized nation. Why don't you drop the pretenses of civility and join us in the slaughterhouse?
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May 14, 2016 19:11
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botany posted:This may come as a shock but Switzerland is not within the United States jurisdiction This may shock you but they depend on being able to do buisness outside of Switzerland and the Caymans.
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May 14, 2016 19:12
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botany posted:You are killing murderers, you are not killing babies. How about you stop killing murderers like a loving civilized nation. I'm sorry you hold the lives of murderers who have destroyed lives of innocents above the potential lives of innocents.
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May 14, 2016 19:12
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Mr Hootington posted:I'm sorry you hold the lives of murderers who have destroyed lives of innocents above the potential lives of innocents. I'm sorry you think potential life is in the same moral category as actual life.
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I think the US needs its own Siberia. That'll fix 'em.
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Mr Hootington posted:In this boat and I toss serial killers on that level too. I try to shy away from "regular" crimes like that even though I think those can easily count as atrocities. I think the possibility of convicting am innocent person still exists even if I'm not sure if that had ever happened. Though aren't there some people who who think the guy that was executed for being The Boston Stranger wasn't guilty?
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DeepDickPizza posted:I think the US needs its own Siberia. That'll fix 'em. Well northern Alaska.
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DeepDickPizza posted:I think the US needs its own Siberia. That'll fix 'em. The Dakotas/Montana are close enough. E: or Alaska more than 20 miles from the coast
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May 14, 2016 19:17
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botany posted:I'm sorry you think potential life is in the same moral category as actual life. It is in a higher category. The potential has yet to be wasted or cut short by murderers deserving of retribution.
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May 14, 2016 19:17
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This is it. This is how the Republican party phoenixes into the prosperity party. They'll lose this election, and probably 2020, but they'll build along the way. They'll get their bootstraps story about how they started from "nothing" except all the millions of donor money that are the same checks as before, but with "pay to the order of" slightly different They'll shed the social issues and focus on business. "We don't care if you're black, white, straight or gay! we'll gently caress you over all the same"
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May 14, 2016 19:19
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KomradeX posted:I try to shy away from "regular" crimes like that even though I think those can easily count as atrocities. I think the possibility of convicting am innocent person still exists even if I'm not sure if that had ever happened. Though aren't there some people who who think the guy that was executed for being The Boston Stranger wasn't guilty? Beats me. When I think of heinous serial killers who have forfeited their right to continue living, I think of Dahmer and Gacy.
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Honestly if he's doing this knowing he's almost certainly not going to win I respect him more for that. I'm tired of the insanity.
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May 14, 2016 19:21
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Schnedwob posted:Self-service kiosks will never entirely replace service employees for a lot of the reasons already touched upon ITT, but I'd like to re-emphasize that there are some seriously dumb customers out there. Often they're the most picky too, so barring some revolution in predictive ordering technology, self-service kiosks will be characterized by people struggling to bumble through a laggy POS system with all the edges filed off and/or giving up and asking a server for help. They only need to eliminate upwards of 60% for there to be some major societal changes.
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RZA Encryption posted:This is it. This is how the Republican party phoenixes into the prosperity party. They'll lose this election, and probably 2020, but they'll build along the way. They'll get their bootstraps story about how they started from "nothing" except all the millions of donor money that are the same checks as before, but with "pay to the order of" slightly different I have my doubts the base will not forget or forgive a stab in the back like this. Unless Bernie and his followers in the next 12 years take over the dens and alienate the you know what's those types will stay Dem.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Why should retribution only extend to crimes above a certain magnitude? How do you justify it there, but not for your day-to-day slights and injuries? Because I believe there is a certain level of cruelty and sheer inhumanity that committing some acts require that maybe the only justice that can be given is retribution. Would one argue that those that were hanged at Nuremberg didn't deserve it?
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KomradeX posted:Because I believe there is a certain level of cruelty and sheer inhumanity that committing some acts require that maybe the only justice that can be given is retribution. Would one argue that those that were hanged at Nuremberg didn't deserve it? I prefer labor camps.
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Mozi posted:Honestly if he's doing this knowing he's almost certainly not going to win I respect him more for that. I'm tired of the insanity. He has to know he can't win. Mittens also deep down knows that Trump can't win or else a thousand years of darkness. Might as well sabotage him and essentially hand Hillary 2 states(Maybe 3 in Texas too) easily.
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KomradeX posted:Because I believe there is a certain level of cruelty and sheer inhumanity that committing some acts require that maybe the only justice that can be given is retribution. Would one argue that those that were hanged at Nuremberg didn't deserve it? I get that, I'm asking more about the underlying framework. If I work a cash register and shortchange you a dollar, is the appropriate remedy for me to give you back your dollar, or is it for someone to take a dollar out of my pocket and burn it in front of me? Also, yes, I would argue that those hanged at Nuremberg didn't deserve it. If their hanging were justified at all it would be because hanging them was the only way to protect Europe from the Nazi party starting over from scratch somewhere else, and I don't even think that justification is a sure thing.
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It sure didn't stop 'nazi' partys from sprouting up. Maybe they didn't go Holocaust 2 cause the hangings?
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Also, yes, I would argue that those hanged at Nuremberg didn't deserve it. If their hanging were justified at all it would be because hanging them was the only way to protect Europe from the Nazi party starting over from scratch somewhere else, and I don't even think that justification is a sure thing. Counterpoint: they were Nazis.
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Crowsbeak posted:I have my doubts the base will not forget or forgive a stab in the back like this. Unless Bernie and his followers in the next 12 years take over the dens and alienate the you know what's those types will stay Dem. Remember that "the base" is not those who want trump. "The base" is people that would be thrilled to vote Hillary if she was a man with an (R) after her name.
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Dexo posted:He has to know he can't win. Mittens also deep down knows that Trump can't win or else a thousand years of darkness. Romney running 3rd party and giving Hilary a couple states she likely won't need doesn't matter. Romney running and causing possible down-ticket chaos costing the GOP an extra Senate seat or two and a handful (or more) House seats is the big thing. Or he'd get shunned so hard that he'd end up with an irrelevantly small amount of votes while burning every single political bridge he has as well as probably a few friendships. e: Odds are in favor of him shattering the party due to a lot of the (not insane) base saying gently caress it and voting for him.
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citybeatnik posted:Counterpoint: they were Nazis. All lives are sacred except unborn lives.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Romney running 3rd party and giving Hilary a couple states she likely won't need doesn't matter. Romney running and causing possible down-ticket chaos costing the GOP an extra Senate seat or two and a handful (or more) House seats is the big thing. It's gonna be a name change and a "gently caress off" to the fundies and racists. Then they'll see how few are left.
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RZA Encryption posted:Remember that "the base" is not those who want trump. "The base" is people that would be thrilled to vote Hillary if she was a man with an (R) after her name. No the base is the people afraid of losing what little they have to blacks and Hispanics. It's they who think Muslims are invading. It's them who think if Clinton hadn't passes Nafta there would be good jobs. They will be very pissed if Trump doesn't lose by over 50%. They will scream fraud and no longer will their anger be turned on the Dems but on the establishment. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 19:53 on May 14, 2016 |
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