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Ghost of Mussolini posted:Does anyone have a link to Arumbas vid? is it on twitch? I can't find it on youtube and I'd like to see someone fail to take Danzig as Germany. https://www.twitch.tv/arumba07 It's pretty clear he is jumping into this totally blind and didn't even play the tutorial, and is now bitching that people say he's doing poorly
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Jun 2, 2016 17:51
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Pop and Loch Nessy posted:You can tell Arumba hasn't watched a minute of video that the developers have shown. He doesn't even organize his armies by theater. He also said he wasn't going to worry about Air this game. I'm sure completely surrendering air to your opponents will end well. EDIT:  hahahaha, that Russia v USSR front that Quill can see now that his volunteers have joined with the Russian forces is hilarious. Poor Russia is going to be crushed so bad.
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Jun 2, 2016 17:52
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What the hell happened in Quill's stream to spawn Russia?
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Jun 2, 2016 17:52
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Wooper posted:Is there anyone making videos rather than streams? I'd watch that. Apparently there was to be an offical stream at some point before the weekend (unless I misread the announcement). Once its done it should be up on Paradox's Twitch channel. From the posts here I'm glad I haven't bothered watching any of them. Given how old HOI3 is at this point it wouldn't suprise me if nonw of the 'celebrity' streamers had even heard of it and the HOI series is a very different beast than EU and CK.
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Jun 2, 2016 17:54
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Fuligin posted:What the hell happened in Quill's stream to spawn Russia? He's playing with Historical turned off, and there was an event that somehow triggered with an officer's rebellion in the USSR. I highly doubt anything will come of it.
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Jun 2, 2016 17:55
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Fuligin posted:What the hell happened in Quill's stream to spawn Russia? Pretty sure a revolt happened and the rebels managed to get all that territory, although it looks like the USSR is going to crush Russia.
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Jun 2, 2016 17:56
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Drone posted:He's playing with Historical turned off, and there was an event that somehow triggered with an officer's rebellion in the USSR. I highly doubt anything will come of it. That is pretty cool
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Jun 2, 2016 17:56
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Fuligin posted:What the hell happened in Quill's stream to spawn Russia? If the Soviet Union doesn't go all the way with the purges (or doesn't do them at all) Trotskyite rebels start a civil war, I think.
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Jun 2, 2016 17:57
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Goetta posted:That is pretty cool Yep. Other cool things: France decided to go down the Little Entente route and allied Czechoslovakia. When the Treaty of Munich event fired, the UK decided for appeasement, but France said "no gently caress you", and so Germany went to war with France and Czechoslovakia. It's now snowballed into a proper WW2 though after Germany declared war on Luxembourg.
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Jun 2, 2016 17:59
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oscarthewilde posted:People might have missed him yesterday but the great Yaniel just uploaded his stream where, apparently, he's tried to restore the glory of the Ottoman empire. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_U0ICQnKo0 Midway through the bloody, hard-fought invasion of Iran: "Daniel, you have 23 divisions on the other side of the nation." Also, AI Poland declaring war on Estonia in early '39 to cement their control of the Baltic bloc. Game looks good! I do share the worry of whoever noted that doctrines seem to be finished up by the end of '40 or so, though.
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Jun 2, 2016 18:03
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Psychotic Weasel posted:Apparently there was to be an offical stream at some point before the weekend (unless I misread the announcement). Once its done it should be up on Paradox's Twitch channel. So far I have enjoyed Quill's videos since he clearly tries to understand as much as possible, without melting down about being wrong on stuff since he's, you know, learning a new game. Didn't check the stream, just his YouTube play of the Italian campaign.
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Jun 2, 2016 18:03
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I think I'm going to play every game with historical off
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Jun 2, 2016 18:03
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Goetta posted:I think I'm going to play every game with historical off Historical off is the only real way to play!
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Jun 2, 2016 18:05
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PleasingFungus posted:Game looks good! I do share the worry of whoever noted that doctrines seem to be finished up by the end of '40 or so, though. I'm wondering though: is that really a problem? All it seems to me is that once WWII is in full swing, you should have locked yourself down a doctrine and then organize your world conquest/liberation according to your strengths. Isn't there plenty more research to do until 1945 if vertical gameplay is what people are looking for?
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Jun 2, 2016 18:07
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It is cool that Quill's volunteer force didn't attack even with local superiority because they would eventually get surrounded (which they did after he forced it). Or at least it is cool if the AI figured that out on its own instead of just the game being buggy.
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Jun 2, 2016 18:08
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Drone posted:He's playing with Historical turned off, and there was an event that somehow triggered with an officer's rebellion in the USSR. I highly doubt anything will come of it. From one of the other streams it seems to happen if you do the great purge but don't follow through on it. During the purge you get series of events where you have to select one of two groups to purge which remove a bunch of your leaders and advisors and give you a stacking penalty to your army and reserch. There's also a third option to not purge anyone which has the tool tip "this will lead to civil war in the future." I believe the size of war depends on how many times you didn't purge, because in the stream I watched Stalin was only merciful once and Russia took about 5% of his troops with them when they rebelled. Needless to say the war did not last long.
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Jun 2, 2016 18:09
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StarMinstrel posted:I'm wondering though: is that really a problem? All it seems to me is that once WWII is in full swing, you should have locked yourself down a doctrine and then organize your world conquest/liberation according to your strengths. But army doctrines for literally every major power changed hugely from 40 to 45. How can you have modern blitzkrieg in 1940? The blitzkrieg was in 1940. Look at what happened when the allies tried to blitz in France in 1944, the doctrines that worked great in 1940 for the Germans where a disaster against 1944 equipment, in particular the proliferation of AT assets. Its stupid to be able to research all those heavy tanks and super guns and whatever else you can, but not be able to research the doctrines to use them effectively. To take another example: why would Germany in 1940 take the volkskreig techs? There is no reason at all for them to take that over a modern blitzkrieg attack bonuses, if those techs where in 1944ish then it might be an meaningful choice to take the defensive bonuses in the hopes of holding out just another 6 months.
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Jun 2, 2016 18:13
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Well, I'm really concerned about the state of the AI, given that Arumba just conquered France with just rightclicking Paris and spamming infantry after he tried to attack through the Maginot Line.
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Jun 2, 2016 18:23
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Drone posted:Yep. Other cool things: France decided to go down the Little Entente route and allied Czechoslovakia. When the Treaty of Munich event fired, the UK decided for appeasement, but France said "no gently caress you", and so Germany went to war with France and Czechoslovakia. "Look, we were OK with you terror-bombing Prague and Paris, but marching into the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg is JUST THE FINAL STRAW, SIR."
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Jun 2, 2016 18:29
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GaussianCopula posted:Well, I'm really concerned about the state of the AI, given that Arumba just conquered France with just rightclicking Paris and spamming infantry after he tried to attack through the Maginot Line.
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Jun 2, 2016 18:31
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GaussianCopula posted:Well, I'm really concerned about the state of the AI, given that Arumba just conquered France with just rightclicking Paris and spamming infantry after he tried to attack through the Maginot Line. What level is he playing on? How many troops did he have? Allies? Dissent? There's a lot of variables
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Jun 2, 2016 18:37
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sarmhan posted:Didn't he take a massive manpower hit for doing it like that though? He lost 500k manpower fighting romania and was super smug about it.
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Jun 2, 2016 18:41
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I had only watched one or two dev diaries so I'm not terribly knowledgeable about the game yet, but the streams have made me pretty optimistic. It clearly isn't a full on grognard game like HoI2 even was, but more like HoI3 without the need to fight the AI and interface the entire time. I think there is a lot of room out there delegation style wargame like this where you are the overseer of the war and draw out broad plans instead of moving dudes manually to each hex. I'm sure you could probably do the latter but the game isn't really designed around. Also Quill ignoring Singapore is triggering me.
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Jun 2, 2016 18:56
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Nitrousoxide posted:He lost 500k manpower fighting romania and was super smug about it.  The flower of German youth dead in the killing fields of....Romania????
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Jun 2, 2016 18:59
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sarmhan posted:Didn't he take a massive manpower hit for doing it like that though? Yeah I noticed that later too. Astroclassicist posted:
Well, his strategic genius was to blob everything with ~80 divisions of infantry, because "Infantry is dirt cheap". At the end of the stream he had 500k manpower left and started to built paratroopers to invade the UK, because that's going to work really well (he did invest next to nothing in air or naval power the whole game)
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Jun 2, 2016 19:01
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GaussianCopula posted:Yeah I noticed that later too.  His stream isn't live, did he stop naturally or ragequit because of his own failings to understand how games work?
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Jun 2, 2016 19:04
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Drone posted:
Im trying super hard not to be an Internet bully on noted comedy forums Something Awful, but that guy makes it so loving hard. Every streamers should just be chill as hell and not take a single thing seriously. If only it was that easy. ---- Anyway - as a casual that got lost in HOI2 and 3 (yes I bought both in the hope of finally beating my nemesis, the interface), the lets plays coming out make me hopeful I'll finally be able to order my little mens around toward glorious victory.
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Jun 2, 2016 19:08
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Nitrousoxide posted:This looks so much more together than sterllaris.
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Jun 2, 2016 19:08
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for some reason bridgers paratroopers decided to retreat from warsaw to the Sakhalin
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Jun 2, 2016 19:27
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Ofaloaf posted:It's almost like Paradox gave the game an extra year of development or something. I wonder, sometimes, what the game would have been if it came out a year ago. What kind of bugs, what systems where different. I've seen a few companies have the conscience to evaluate their game, humble themselves saying "this might be poo poo", do a post mortem and start not from scratch, but close to. FFXIV comes to mind (although a bit of a different beast) as having been able to go from Giant turd to above average MMO that's currently, I think, second to WoW? I don't know who's currently designing the paradox games, or what changed in their philosophy from EU3 to the current generation of games that they have, but I'm glad they found their golden goose. I'm saying that as a super cynical jaded gamer.
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StarMinstrel posted:I've seen a few companies have the conscience to evaluate their game, humble themselves saying "this might be poo poo", do a post mortem and start not from scratch, but close to. FFXIV comes to mind (although a bit of a different beast) as having been able to go from Giant turd to above average MMO that's currently, I think, second to WoW? Might happen more than you think, but generally with big companies that already have a lot of money coming in. The recent Doom game (Bethesda) was apparently completely re-worked well into development because the designers didn't think it fit the spirit of the original game. Overwatch (Blizzard) was built from the ashes of an MMO that was in development for years before the devs decided it just wasn't any fun. I don't know if Paradox can afford to be quite that that honest with their self evaluations yet, but they now have quite a few revenue sources in place so you'd think they're getting there.
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Jun 2, 2016 19:43
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I'm hoping a streamer plays MIGHTY BULGARIA and ends up taking over the USSR. That's my measure of quality in HOI4. edit-- playing Bulgaria and taking over the USSR was my favorite thing I've ever done in HOI3.
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Jun 2, 2016 19:50
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Drone posted:
Didn't some one mention a streamer set their stream to private or invite only because people kept calling him a dumbass and pointing out all his mistakes? Maybe it was him. At least we know now that blobbing underequiped and under trained infantry divisions isn't as OP as the Paradox streams made it look.
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Jun 2, 2016 19:55
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Psychotic Weasel posted:Didn't some one mention a streamer set their stream to private or invite only because people kept calling him a dumbass and pointing out all his mistakes? Maybe it was him. I don't think it was as OP even as Daniel made it look. Daniel's Germany was down to less manpower than Johan's Britain, I think. Daniel just got really lucky that he was able to kick in the USSR's teeth during their civil war or purges or whatever.
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Jun 2, 2016 20:05
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dublish posted:I don't think it was as OP even as Daniel made it look. Daniel's Germany was down to less manpower than Johan's Britain, I think. Daniel just got really lucky that he was able to kick in the USSR's teeth during their civil war or purges or whatever. That's probably going to be one of the bigger balance challenges - Once either the USSR or USA have ahistorical internal conflicts Germany becomes incredibly strong.
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Jun 2, 2016 20:09
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I hope that one of the DLC is going to be scenarios like in HOI2. Those were a fun way to experiment and play a quick game.
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Jun 2, 2016 20:15
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dublish posted:I don't think it was as OP even as Daniel made it look. Daniel's Germany was down to less manpower than Johan's Britain, I think. Daniel just got really lucky that he was able to kick in the USSR's teeth during their civil war or purges or whatever. Well, if it wasn't OP then, it certainly isn't now. They basically halved manpower since then.
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I'm glad I preordered this game.
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