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Jun 3, 2016 14:53
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RBA Starblade posted:BvS is what, Superman 7? Batman 8/superman 7. Let's be accurate here.
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Jun 3, 2016 14:55
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jivjov posted:Except to call The Incredible Hulk "Hulk 2" is to imply that it is part of the same series as Lee's Hulk. Which it isn't. The two are completely different films in completely different continuities and universes. actually you'll find that they both exist in this universe and continuity.
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Jun 3, 2016 14:58
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jivjov posted:Except to call The Incredible Hulk "Hulk 2" is to imply that it is part of the same series as Lee's Hulk. Which it isn't. The two are completely different films in completely different continuities and universes. You realize that the only reason he does it is to try and bait people and you're taking the bait and giving him exactly what he wants, don't you?
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Jun 3, 2016 14:58
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The Incredible Hulk is a sequel to Hulk in the same way that Unforgiven is a sequel to The Good, The Bad & The Ugly or any other given Clint Eastwood western. Legally or whatever, no, it's not a sequel. However it's very much aware that Hulk is a movie that viewers of The Incredible Hulk have likely seen, and that it could be read as a possible backstory to the movie you're watching... Much in the same way that you could read William Munny as one of the possible futures of The Man With No Name. Another way of saying this is that it is intertextuality more than continuity.
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Jun 3, 2016 15:01
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There isn't a movie literally called Hulk 2. There is Hulk and it's sequel, The Incredible Hulk.
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Jun 3, 2016 15:05
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Detective No. 27 posted:There isn't a movie literally called Hulk 2. There is Hulk and it's sequel, The Incredible Hulk. And again you're wrong here. Incredible Hulk is not a sequel to Hulk. It is a reboot for the character and is the first (and so far only) Hulk entry in the MCU
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Jun 3, 2016 15:08
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jivjov posted:And again you're wrong here. Incredible Hulk is not a sequel to Hulk. It is a reboot for the character and is the first (and so far only) Hulk entry in the MCU The people in front and behind the camera have all changed, but the story and characters have not. The only thing that has changed is that the Hulk has become "Incredible."
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Jun 3, 2016 15:13
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Detective No. 27 posted:The people in front and behind the camera have all changed, but the story and characters have not. The only thing that has changed is that the Hulk has become "Incredible." Except the story is not a sequel to Hulk. Incredible Hulk is a completely separate story in a different continuity.
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Jun 3, 2016 15:14
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jivjov posted:And again you're wrong here. Incredible Hulk is not a sequel to Hulk. It is a reboot for the character and is the first (and so far only) Hulk entry in the MCU It must be really depressing being trapped in a world where Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson's books are objectively inseparable from Dune.
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Jun 3, 2016 15:18
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jivjov posted:Except the story is not a sequel to Hulk. Incredible Hulk is a completely separate story in a different continuity. In fact, there are several continuities even within Hulk (2003) itself. For instance, the scenes in which Hulk battles Zzzax are in a separate continuity from those in which he battles The Absorbing Man. These are both in a separate continuity from the remainder of the film, of course.
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Jun 3, 2016 15:19
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jivjov posted:Except the story is not a sequel to Hulk. Incredible Hulk is a completely separate story in a different continuity. We've been over this. Incredible Hulk picks up after Bruce Banner ends up in South America at the end of Ang Lee's Hulk. If The Incredible Hulk had spent time showing a radically different origin story and had Hulk fight his electricity dad again, then your argument would hold more water. Instead, we see have a quick recap of his origin, which doesn't contradict anything shown in Hulk, and he moves on with a new antagonist. Thunderbolt Ross decides that he can't stop Hulk by using family, so he creates a new Hulk instead.
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Jun 3, 2016 15:21
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Hodgepodge posted:It must be really depressing being trapped in a world where Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson's books are objectively inseparable from Dune. I've not ever experienced any Dune, unfortunately. Shanty posted:In fact, there are several continuities even within Hulk (2003) itself. For instance, the scenes in which Hulk battles Zzzax are in a separate continuity from those in which he battles The Absorbing Man. These are both in a separate continuity from the remainder of the film, of course. Having only seen Ang Lee's Hulk once, many years ago, I'll have to take your word for it.
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Jun 3, 2016 15:24
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Ang Lee's Hulk is a stealth kaiju film. Very underappreciated.
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Jun 3, 2016 15:27
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Detective No. 27 posted:We've been over this. Incredible Hulk picks up after Bruce Banner ends up in South America at the end of Ang Lee's Hulk. If The Incredible Hulk had spent time showing a radically different origin story and had Hulk fight his electricity dad again, then your argument would hold more water. Instead, we see have a quick recap of his origin, which doesn't contradict anything shown in Hulk, and he moves on with a new antagonist. Thunderbolt Ross decides that he can't stop Hulk by using family, so he creates a new Hulk instead. Except The Incredible Hulk is in a completely different continuity to Lee's Hulk. The fact that Incredible Hulk starts in South America is no more relevant to the continuity placement than Lou Ferrrigno's appearance or the use of the sad piano music.
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Jun 3, 2016 15:27
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jivjov posted:I've not ever experienced any Dune, unfortunately. I'd recommend the first book at least. Maybe move on to Children of Dune before Dune Messiah; Messiah can be a bit of a depressing slog since Herbert decided to deconstruct the first book as his sequel. The movie is okay, but feels really rushed in places.
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Jun 3, 2016 15:30
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I'm really glad I never watched either Hulk film.quote:I'd recommend the first book at least. Maybe move on to Children of Dune before Dune Messiah; Messiah can be a bit of a depressing slog since Herbert decided to deconstruct the first book as his sequel. Messiah's super short so I'd read Dune, Messiah, and Children, then if you really want more and to see them get weirder with it read God-Emperor (which still has the funniest bit of a book I've ever read). Chapterhouse and Heretics of Dune aren't especially good in retrospect and I'd give them a pass, they just get kind of dumb.
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Jun 3, 2016 15:33
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Honestly i really wouldn't say that Hulk 2 is a Sequel to Hulk 1. It mostly uses the first hulk as reference material .
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Jun 3, 2016 15:42
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jivjov posted:Except The Incredible Hulk is in a completely different continuity to Lee's Hulk. The fact that Incredible Hulk starts in South America is no more relevant to the continuity placement than Lou Ferrrigno's appearance or the use of the sad piano music. It's as different as the continuity between Batman Returns and Batman Forever.
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Jun 3, 2016 15:50
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computer parts posted:A mixture of Sturgeon's Law and that Marvel seems to draw from the TV Director pool. I just finished Jessica Jones and that was filmed in a more satisfying way than anything in the MCU and that just makes me sad.
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Jun 3, 2016 16:01
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Cavelcade posted:I just finished Jessica Jones and that was filmed in a more satisfying way than anything in the MCU and that just makes me sad. But Jessica Jones is part of the MCU?
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Jun 3, 2016 18:19
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jivjov posted:But Jessica Jones is part of the MCU? 
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Jun 3, 2016 18:22
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RBA Starblade posted:I'm really glad I never watched either Hulk film. The first one is a top-tier comic book movie. Absolutely worth checking out. The second one starts pretty good but goes to poo poo at the end.
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Jun 3, 2016 18:28
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Sir Kodiak posted:The first one is a top-tier comic book movie. Absolutely worth checking out. The sequel starts pretty good but goes to poo poo at the end. Ang Lee's Hulk never received a sequel. If you are referring to the MCU's The Incredible Hulk, I could agree with that assessment. All the stuff with Bruce on the run, up through meeting up with
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Jun 3, 2016 18:30
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jivjov posted:Ang Lee's Hulk never received a sequel. I understand you're feeling persecuted about this, but if you look at my post, you'll clearly see I called it "the second one," not a "sequel." There's no need to expand this witch hunt to include me when I'm just talking about the movies.
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Jun 3, 2016 18:34
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Sir Kodiak posted:I understand you're feeling persecuted about this, but if you look at my post, you'll clearly see I called it "the second one," not a "sequel." There's no need to expand this witch hunt to include me when I'm just talking about the movies. You ninja edited it then, because when I quoted your post, it said sequel.
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Jun 3, 2016 18:47
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jivjov posted:You ninja edited it then, because when I quoted your post, it said sequel. I think I'd remember that.
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Jun 3, 2016 18:49
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Incredible Hulk assumes that you know Hulk's origin story, not that you've seen the Hulk film specifically. Whether it means you know it through watching Hulk, the old TV show, or reading the comic books is entirely up to you. At no point during making it did they gave any thought whatsoever to linking it to Ang Lee's film. It's a ridiculous loving argument, I think we can all agree on that. But let's just say that the Incredible Hulk is canon with the idea of the Hulk as a fictional character, and that the viewer has some familiarity with him. I've made it as stupid as possible. Hope that helps.
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Jun 3, 2016 18:54
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Sir Kodiak posted:I think I'd remember that. Well, do note that the post I quoted says "sequel". At some point, you posted "sequel" Whether you edited it or a moderator did, it at some point said "sequel". Which is a thing that Ang Lee's Hulk film does not have.
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Jun 3, 2016 18:54
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Jesus jivjov did you seriously doctor someone's post to continue dogging everyone in this thread about this super petty crap?jivjov posted:Well, do note that the post I quoted says "sequel". At some point, you posted "sequel" Or the person who has been harassing everyone all day about this stuff altered the quote....
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Jun 3, 2016 18:55
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Captain America: Civil War is in-continuity with the two pre-MCU Cap movies, making it technically the fifth film in the series. The 1944 serial and 1990 film are both "in-universe" works, one reflecting the cover story of Captain America, the other one revealing the "truth" after the existence of the Red Skull was declassified.
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Jun 3, 2016 18:59
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I love the theory that a moderator showed up, edited my post to read "sequel" just to gently caress with jivjov, then edited it back still in time to avoid the "someone edited this post" note at the bottom once jivjov had quoted it. Frankly, if GonSmithe pulled that off, CineD mod for life.
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Jun 3, 2016 19:03
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Quote this if you believe in a shadowy entity beyond our human understanding that edits posts in order to gaslight jivjov about continuity
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Jun 3, 2016 19:05
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Guy A. Person posted:Jesus jivjov did you seriously doctor someone's post to continue dogging everyone in this thread about this super petty crap? No, I just pressed Quote
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Jun 3, 2016 19:08
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Brainiac Five posted:Captain America: Civil War is in-continuity with the two pre-MCU Cap movies, making it technically the fifth film in the series. The 1944 serial and 1990 film are both "in-universe" works, one reflecting the cover story of Captain America, the other one revealing the "truth" after the existence of the Red Skull was declassified. It is the fifth Captain America movie by virtue of him being major parts in both Avengers films.
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Jun 3, 2016 19:16
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CityMidnightJunky posted:Incredible Hulk assumes that you know Hulk's origin story, not that you've seen the Hulk film specifically. computer parts posted:It is the fifth Captain America movie by virtue of him being major parts in both Avengers films.  You're telling me this goober is the same guy who smirked, "I'm just a kid from Brooklyn" facing down the Red Skull or wrecked a bunch of guys in an elevator and then jumped out a window like thirty stories? Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Jun 4, 2016 |
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Jun 3, 2016 19:34
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This is why "Canon" is a trap. Because it boxes in your thinking so that instead of going "Neat" at the Hulk movie starting where the previous left off despite not being "technically" a sequel, you spend pages arguing that they have nothing to do with each other. Free yourself from the illusion of canon. Accept that both movies exist and are connected.
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Jun 3, 2016 20:07
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That might be the worst costume in film history.
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Jun 3, 2016 20:07
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MonsieurChoc posted:This is why "Canon" is a trap. Because it boxes in your thinking so that instead of going "Neat" at the Hulk movie starting where the previous left off despite not being "technically" a sequel, you spend pages arguing that they have nothing to do with each other. Seven Degrees of MCU: All films are in their universe!
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Jun 3, 2016 20:09
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Guy A. Person posted:Jesus jivjov did you seriously doctor someone's post to continue dogging everyone in this thread about this super petty crap? Regardless, certainly proves that jivjov is pedantic to a fault as people have been pointing out. 
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