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Apocron posted:This video makes the whole situation with these people at the top of the mountain so real and terrifying. They really should have somebody to stop these people going up the mountain and killing themselves! Seeing the poor guy so close to dying and so oblivious really creeped me out. stillvisions posted:This video is a good demonstration of oxygen starvation in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcvkjfG4A_M Is that Michael Portillo? Fantastic video though.
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I dont know what i would have done if the summit was really close and my wife was done for anyway. Even if he had tried to go back it`s still likely she would have died. It may not have made any difference. Heck in her delerium she migth not even have noticed his absence as she lay there dying.
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AceRimmer posted:Just got to the part of Everest Man v Mountain with the story of the guy on the North Face route who feel on another climber, breaking his leg, then ignored them and climbed further up the mountain to hit golf balls with a golf club off the face. Guy worked for TaylorMade http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2974336.stm http://www.rockclimbing.com/forum/Climbing_Information_C2/General_F23/American_climber_injures_Brit_on_Everest_P390418
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May 31, 2016 16:17
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Good job, American fatasses.
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May 31, 2016 16:32
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corker2k posted:Is that Michael Portillo? Fantastic video though. yes. It's from a Horizon episode called "how to kill a human being" about the most (and least) humane methods of execution.
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May 31, 2016 21:24
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Had the vegan couple been more experienced, they would have survived. Their experience would engage their good judgement and tell them to turn around 
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May 31, 2016 21:39
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Dude I work with summited Kilimanjaro a few years ago. Non technical hike, just high elevation with thin air and a lot of walking uphill. One of the guys in his group brought a celebration cigar. He pulled it out, lit it up, and took a long drag. While grinning, he slumped over and passed out. They all laughed their heads off and nearly passed out themselves. Guy was fine
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I think the person who coined the gimmick of the Seven Summits has a lot to answer for. It's a marketing collection of things that are not very much like each other.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I think the person who coined the gimmick of the Seven Summits has a lot to answer for. It's a marketing collection of things that are not very much like each other. Well, they are supposed to be the highest peaks on continents.. It was a mountaineering goal, and a pretty storied and interesting one. Reinhold Messner was the first to complete them without supplemental oxygen, and there is nothing gimmicky about that achievement. Still, a guy named Dick Bass was the first to complete (his list) and was an amateur mountaineer/rich guy so, uh.. Blame him.
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Jun 1, 2016 04:01
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Second Seven Summits are way cooler imho
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canyoneer posted:Dude I work with summited Kilimanjaro a few years ago. Non technical hike, just high elevation with thin air and a lot of walking uphill. I've done Kili, and yeah it's something anyone with moderate physical fitness can do. For reference, the summit is only a few hundred metres higher than Everest base camp (5895m vs 5390m).
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Jun 1, 2016 07:06
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We have a local version of the seven summits called the 11.000ers. While they're not high compared to the rest of the planet, their latitude makes them formidable as the tree line is at much lower altitude and it's all very young, craggy peaks from the really recently ended ice age. The good thing about them is that even thought they're true glaciated mountaineering summits, you can at least fuckin breathe when you get to the top.
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Blitter posted:Well, they [the Seven Summits] are supposed to be the highest peaks on continents.. I think you're confusing the Seven Summits that Bass climbed (the highest peak on each continent, even the bump in Australia) with the 8,000-ers (the 14 mountains over 8,000 meters; all in the Himalaya & Karakorum), which Messner was first to do without oxygen. And I think only four more have done since?
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Chappers posted:I think you're confusing the Seven Summits that Bass climbed (the highest peak on each continent, even the bump in Australia) with the 8,000-ers (the 14 mountains over 8,000 meters; all in the Himalaya & Karakorum), which Messner was first to do without oxygen. And I think only four more have done since? Nah, they're separate lists (messner and bass's seven summits), and the 8K'ers are a whole other thing - only 15 have completed without supplemental oxygen, and yup, Reinhold was the first too.
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Blitter posted:Nah, they're separate lists (messner and bass's seven summits), and the 8K'ers are a whole other thing - only 15 have completed without supplemental oxygen, and yup, Reinhold was the first too. From now on I'm just assuming that Messner has climbed every hill in existence...in winter.
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stillvisions posted:This video is a good demonstration of oxygen starvation in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcvkjfG4A_M So, this is interesting as it represents acute hypoxia. This is not the same thing as what you see when you are preparing for something like climbing Everest. As you become hypoxic, your body adjusts by upping your Hct and 2,3-BPG to compensate. Additionally, they can give someone a carbonic anhydrase inhibitor (acetazolamide) to help compensate as well. With all that said, you do become unwell when hypoxic, and this is a very serious risk for people who don't acclimatize properly, but this is not really the same thing.
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if you can read german, an interview with someone who summited this year: http://www.spiegel.de/reise/fernweh/mount-everest-alle-standen-sich-im-weg-interview-mit-toni-stocker-a-1095316.html
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Chappers posted:From now on I'm just assuming that Messner has climbed every hill in existence...in winter. without supplemental oxygen. In three hours. Round trip. Possibly also without ropes or crampons or using his hands. Seriously, Messner and Ueli Steck are not human.
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I want to see Ueli Steck speedclimb the Burj Khalifa.
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Seems like a climber (who's blind in one eye!) sacrificed his summit attempt on the 21st to save the life of another climber who was sliding down the fixed lines. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36437937 quote:He was approaching an area nicknamed "The Balcony" - where climbing teams store spare oxygen bottles - when he noticed a "commotion" ahead of him. A Good Person on Everest. Aphex- fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Jun 2, 2016 |
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Aphex- posted:Seems like a climber (who's blind in one eye!) sacrificed his summit attempt on the 21st to save the life of another climber who was sliding down the fixed lines. There are no good people on everest. For all you know he just saved the next rich Hitler.
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Aphex- posted:Seems like a climber (who's blind in one eye!) sacrificed his summit attempt on the 21st to save the life of another climber who was sliding down the fixed lines. lmao look the pic of the Indian woman, side of effects of Everest including getting monster size hands.
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quote:Mr Binns, who now works in private security in oil fields in Iraq
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kordansk posted:So, this is interesting as it represents acute hypoxia. This is not the same thing as what you see when you are preparing for something like climbing Everest. As you become hypoxic, your body adjusts by upping your Hct and 2,3-BPG to compensate. Additionally, they can give someone a carbonic anhydrase inhibitor (acetazolamide) to help compensate as well. With all that said, you do become unwell when hypoxic, and this is a very serious risk for people who don't acclimatize properly, but this is not really the same thing. Oh I know it's not a fair comparison - I figured it'd at least illustrate how a climber can brain fart about having acetazolamide but not remembering it. While not at the "going to die and can't even recognize it" level people in the death zone are certainly suffering from some serious tunnel vision from lack of oxygen.
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etalian posted:lmao look the pic of the Indian woman, side of effects of Everest including getting monster size hands. everest deglovings itt
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Microwaves Mom posted:There are no good people on everest. For all you know he just saved the next rich Hitler. ChrisHansen posted:
ok i'm dumb i take it back. definitely not a good person.
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Fallows posted:everest deglovings itt That's not really degloving and I suggest you don't google the term either
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djssniper posted:That's not really degloving and I suggest you don't google the term either Yeah, nothing pretty about industrial degloving.
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Aphex- posted:
Yeah odds are even that lady from India like beats and sodomizes her maids.
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stillvisions posted:Oh I know it's not a fair comparison - I figured it'd at least illustrate how a climber can brain fart about having acetazolamide but not remembering it. While not at the "going to die and can't even recognize it" level people in the death zone are certainly suffering from some serious tunnel vision from lack of oxygen. This is definitely a problem. Krakauer addressed it in his book if I recall. I haven't read it in a long time. It's actually really fascinating how narrow sited people get over climbing a dumb mountain and risk their lives and the lives of others just to say they've done it.
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djssniper posted:That's not really degloving and I suggest you don't google the term either gently caress, gently caress, heed this advice.
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SilvergunSuperman posted:gently caress, gently caress, heed this advice. Now do "penis degloving"! 
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Microwaves Mom posted:Yeah odds are even that lady from India like beats and sodomizes her maids. She's gonna find it way easier to beat her maids now with those massive hands.
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Aphex- posted:She's gonna find it way easier to beat her maids now with those massive hands. I'd imagine she might cut a few of her poor maids hands off in vengeance. SilvergunSuperman posted:gently caress, gently caress, heed this advice. hahaha ahahaha you looked it up. Oh my god why did you look it up? Hahaha.
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kordansk posted:This is definitely a problem. Krakauer addressed it in his book if I recall. I haven't read it in a long time. It's actually really fascinating how narrow sited people get over climbing a dumb mountain and risk their lives and the lives of others just to say they've done it. I just finished reading Ed Viesturs' The Mountain (really good, highly recommended) and he talks about how narrow views have caused people to do some really, really stupid things. Including himself! It's interesting to see how that focus changed him over the years. At the beginning he was so focused on a good climb he'd go a long distance to do whatever he could, such as running tens of loads through the Khumbu Icefield. Later he was like "I got kids, I'm doing the dangerous place once up once down, that's it." He also talks about the pair of that, hallucinations, and points out extra climbers as a particularly common one. According to Viesturs, Reinhold Messner had a phantom double for most of his solo no-oxygen off-season ascent of Everest, which is batshit crazy. Viesturs even suggests that what gave Messner his edge is that he could handle hallucinations and the other issues so well and incorporate them into his strengths, instead of treating them as dangers.
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Aphex- posted:Seems like a climber (who's blind in one eye!) sacrificed his summit attempt on the 21st to save the life of another climber who was sliding down the fixed lines. it should be noted that there was a second guy they were trying to save but physically didn't have the energy to drag him back. the guy even heard his voice from his tent but was too tired to go help after saving the women. quote:He says the descent was a perilous and difficult one, and on the way the three climbers found another man who was also struggling to descend, bringing him along with them. hemale in pain fucked around with this message at 12:20 on Jun 3, 2016 |
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djssniper posted:That's not really degloving and I suggest you don't google the term either Pretty sure in this case they just mean her glove came off her hand as she tumbled down the mountain and it got all gross and swollen from the cold, not the other type of degloving that leads to gross and swollen hands.
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Arivia posted:I just finished reading Ed Viesturs' The Mountain (really good, highly recommended) and he talks about how narrow views have caused people to do some really, really stupid things. Including himself! It's interesting to see how that focus changed him over the years. At the beginning he was so focused on a good climb he'd go a long distance to do whatever he could, such as running tens of loads through the Khumbu Icefield. Later he was like "I got kids, I'm doing the dangerous place once up once down, that's it." Thanks for the recommendation on The Mountain. I think I will pick that up and read it during my break in a few weeks. That's interesting that he could actually incorporate the hallucinations into his own understanding of what was going on and use it to bolster his own strength.
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http://www.atlasandboots.com/seven-second-summits/quote:To this date, only one man has climbed all of the mountains above: Austrian mountaineer Christian Stangl who incidentally has also climbed the seven third summits as well, meaning he has climbed the first, second and third highest mountain on every continent, known as the triple seven summits. Epic.
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webmeister posted:I've done Kili, and yeah it's something anyone with moderate physical fitness can do. Is the hike technically challenging? In that, are there any rocky/tricky sections where you need to do more than just walk forward? I climbed Signal Knob (~2,100 ft) the other day so I think I now have more climbing experience than that dumb Canadian lady. Gonna achieve my day-old dream of Aphex- posted:Seems like a climber (who's blind in one eye!) sacrificed his summit attempt on the 21st to save the life of another climber who was sliding down the fixed lines. imo, saving someone's life while climbing/hiking/etc is way more impressive an endeavor than getting to the summit and something that is way more impressive to brag about at cocktail parties. axeil fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Jun 4, 2016 |
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