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Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

G0RF posted:

Genius.

I wish I could take credit.

# ? Jun 5, 2016 18:55

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ManofManyAliases: Mar 21, 2016; ToastOfManySmarts

Can't post for 3 hours!

G0RF posted:

I'm glad you're still posting, Moma.

I know some folks are still giving you hell but I personally enjoy seeing dissenting opinions here. Not that my approval matters but I'm glad you're still here. (Plus you made me with that reply.)

Thanks - I mean, I did say I wasn't going to go anywhere. I have my opinions - some which I have shared - and only time will really tell.

# ? Jun 5, 2016 18:57

EminusSleepus: Sep 28, 2015

Jobbo_Fett posted:

I wish I could take credit.

Wait! Are you saying that the awesome pic was made by Ryan Archer?

# ? Jun 5, 2016 18:58

a whole buncha crows: May 8, 2003; WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHO TO HATE, WE HATE OURSELVES.-SA USER NATION (AKA ME!)

Im the high maintenance special snowflake that spent tens of thousands on ship jpegs in a broken cryengine tech demo that is somehow glad hes finally been noticed by sandi

# ? Jun 5, 2016 18:58

a whole buncha crows: May 8, 2003; WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHO TO HATE, WE HATE OURSELVES.-SA USER NATION (AKA ME!)

ManofManyAliases posted:

Thanks - I mean, I did say I wasn't going to go anywhere. I have my opinions - some which I have shared - and only time will really tell.

"I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY AS USUAL"

# ? Jun 5, 2016 18:59

Sunswipe: Feb 5, 2016; by Fluffdaddy

EminusSleepus posted:

Wait! Are you saying that the awesome pic was made by Ryan Archer?

All pictures are made by Ryan Archer.

# ? Jun 5, 2016 18:59

EminusSleepus: Sep 28, 2015

Next time I will raise a request to CIG zendesk I will include my tags

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:01

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

EminusSleepus posted:

Wait! Are you saying that the awesome pic was made by Ryan Archer?

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:01

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

RATS!

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:02

D_Smart: May 11, 2010; by FactsAreUseless; College Slice

Jobbo_Fett posted:

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:04

Tortolia: Dec 29, 2005; Hindustan Electronics Employee of the Month, July 2008; Grimey Drawer

Wonder what the Consumerist would have to say about a 9 figure company specifically flagging users for CS treatment or avoidance.

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:05

G0RF: Mar 19, 2015; Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.

Jobbo_Fett posted:

I wish I could take credit.

Way to miss the chance to steal some goon valor.

Just run a filter on it and make it your own.

ManofManyAliases posted:

Thanks - I mean, I did say I wasn't going to go anywhere. I have my opinions - some which I have shared - and only time will really tell.

You got moxie, sir!

As for what time will tell, well, I guess it's obvious I'm rather apocalyptic at this point... But that's why I appreciate contrasting views. Always have to question our own assumptions and not get damned by confirmation bias.

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:06

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

EminusSleepus posted:

Anyone noticed that every time CIG fucks up something MoMA suddenly appears in this thread as if he was summoned?

Yes, he's here every day.

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:07

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

G0RF posted:

Way to miss the chance to steal some goon valor.

Just run a filter on it and make it your own.

Already done. I'm Archer�-quality levels of competence!

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:07

flyboi: Oct 13, 2005; agg stop posting; College Slice

Toast did you clickwrap your contract agreement with Sandi yet so you can talk about the game instead of the ToS

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:07

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

ManofManyAliases posted:

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:12

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

ManofManyAliases posted:

sure:

HelpCenter = {};
HelpCenter.account = {"subdomain":"cloudimperiumservicesllc","environment":"production","name":"Cloud Imperium Games"};
HelpCenter.user = {"identifier":"╭∩╮（︶︿︶）╭∩╮","email":"╭∩╮（︶︿︶）╭∩╮","name":"╭∩╮（︶︿︶）╭∩╮","tags":[╭∩╮（︶︿︶）╭∩╮],"locale":"╭∩╮（︶︿︶）╭∩╮","role":"","avatar_url":"╭∩╮（︶︿︶）╭∩╮","organizations":[],"groups":[]};
HelpCenter.internal = {"asset_url":"//p6.zdassets.com/hc/assets/","current_session":{"locale":╭∩╮（︶︿︶）╭∩╮","csrf_token":"╭∩╮（︶︿︶）╭∩╮","shared_csrf_token":"╭∩╮（︶︿︶）╭∩╮"},"settings":

That's so weird - mine apparently just says "nope."

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:12

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

ManofManyAliases posted:

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:12

bird with big dick: Oct 21, 2015

G0RF posted:

I'm glad you're still posting, Moma.

I know some folks are still giving you hell but I personally enjoy seeing dissenting opinions here. Not that my approval matters but I'm glad you're still here. (Plus you made me with that reply.)

Except the only dissenting opinions he gives are about TOS and are boring as gently caress and wrong and stupid.

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:13

intardnation: Feb 18, 2016; I'm going to space!

ManofManyAliases posted:

sure:

HelpCenter = {};
HelpCenter.account = {"subdomain":"cloudimperiumservicesllc","environment":"production","name":"Cloud Imperium Games"};
HelpCenter.user = {"identifier":"╭∩╮（︶︿︶）╭∩╮","email":"╭∩╮（︶︿︶）╭∩╮","name":"╭∩╮（︶︿︶）╭∩╮","tags":[╭∩╮（︶︿︶）╭∩╮],"locale":"╭∩╮（︶︿︶）╭∩╮","role":"","avatar_url":"╭∩╮（︶︿︶）╭∩╮","organizations":[],"groups":[]};
HelpCenter.internal = {"asset_url":"//p6.zdassets.com/hc/assets/","current_session":{"locale":╭∩╮（︶︿︶）╭∩╮","csrf_token":"╭∩╮（︶︿︶）╭∩╮","shared_csrf_token":"╭∩╮（︶︿︶）╭∩╮"},"settings":

That's so weird - mine apparently just says "nope."

so it says you work there how funny toast.

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:14

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

CIG approaches everything about game development

MOMA is wrong about everything he talks about

Therefore, MOMA works for CIG

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:15

Lime Tonics: Nov 7, 2015; by FactsAreUseless

AP posted:

They fixed the missing ankles problem by making the rest of the character disappear!

:psyduck:

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:15

EminusSleepus: Sep 28, 2015

Jobbo_Fett posted:

CIG approaches everything about game development

MOMA is wrong about everything he talks about

Therefore, MOMA works for CIG

Yep and he is glad about it

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:16

peter gabriel: Nov 8, 2011; Hello Commandos

Just a video recap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFF-GwupmCY

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:17

Tippis: Mar 21, 2008; It's yet another day in the wasteland.

Lime Tonics posted:

They fixed the missing ankles problem by making the rest of the character disappear!

Look, there's only so much fidelity that can fit on a screen at once without giving the user Vegetative Withdrawal Disorder�, so you've got to choose: feet, everything else, or a customer base reduced to drooling reta� wait, CIG has done both, haven't they?

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:18

Lime Tonics: Nov 7, 2015; by FactsAreUseless

Landing gear not attached to anything? No problem, it is crobberts physics engine.

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:19

A Neurotic Jew: Feb 17, 2012; by exmarx

ManofManyAliases posted:

Thanks - I mean, I did say I wasn't going to go anywhere. I have my opinions - some which I have shared - and only time will really tell.

your posting has definitely improved, I will say that much.

I am glad you are staying, and I genuinely look forward to reading your response to the ELE when it drops in two weeks.

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:21

Murderion: Oct 4, 2009; 2019. New York is in ruins. The global economy is spiralling. Cyborgs rule over poisoned wastes.

The only time that's left is
FUN TIME

Blah, had two effortposts on customer services and data protection eaten by computer crashes.

Anyhow, flakegate is embarrassing, but worse for CIG, it looks like they've been breaking data protection laws. The most obvious bit - not giving info to third parties - is probably intact unless CIG security is tissue thin. However, in the UK at least, there's another caveat. Companies cannot collect, retain, or use extraneous or unnecessary information on their customers. What information is necessary is determined by the nature of the company and the TOS. "Snowflake" and "High maintenance" don't count, since that's just using information from your interactions with customer services. "Goon" does - it's information about your internet usage that isn't relevant to the services CIG (doesn't) provide. If that information has been volunteered by the customer, it's a bit naughty to retain that information, and worse to use it, but no biggie (unless you can argue that being a Goon is an ethnicity, religion, sexuality or medical condition).

Using a customer's information to search for more information on them OTOH, is very naughty. Taking the info you've given them to search for information you haven't volunteered is a deliberate breach of data protection. We can see this in PGabz's case - they've used information he volunteered (the username he gave them) to dig up additional information (he posts on SA under the same name linking to videos on his Major Tom account), and used that information (to change his name with them and alter how customer services deals with him). If PGabz hasn't volunteered this info or mentioned it on the SC forums, they've been using his info without his permission in breach of the law. Even if he has, it's unnecessary information and wrong for them to store.

tl, dr: as a Brit, PGabz can potentially sue and pursue criminal charges against CIG, provided I'm right about the law (IANAL).

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:25

Goobs: Jan 30, 2016; Doxcat is watching you PU.

AP posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDcuO2YBHQw&t=33s

Lmao. Probably the worst thing I've ever seen. Thanks for the eye cancer.

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:26

G0RF: Mar 19, 2015; Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.

FrankieGoes posted:

Except the only dissenting opinions he gives are about TOS and are boring as gently caress and wrong and stupid.

Nah man he's branched out!

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:26

G0RF: Mar 19, 2015; Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.

peter gabriel posted:

Just a video recap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFF-GwupmCY

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:27

a whole buncha crows: May 8, 2003; WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHO TO HATE, WE HATE OURSELVES.-SA USER NATION (AKA ME!)

Murderion posted:

Blah, had two effortposts on customer services and data protection eaten by computer crashes.

Anyhow, flakegate is embarrassing, but worse for CIG, it looks like they've been breaking data protection laws. The most obvious bit - not giving info to third parties - is probably intact unless CIG security is tissue thin. However, in the UK at least, there's another caveat. Companies cannot collect, retain, or use extraneous or unnecessary information on their customers. What information is necessary is determined by the nature of the company and the TOS. "Snowflake" and "High maintenance" don't count, since that's just using information from your interactions with customer services. "Goon" does - it's information about your internet usage that isn't relevant to the services CIG (doesn't) provide. If that information has been volunteered by the customer, it's a bit naughty to retain that information, and worse to use it, but no biggie (unless you can argue that being a Goon is an ethnicity, religion, sexuality or medical condition).

Using a customer's information to search for more information on them OTOH, is very naughty. Taking the info you've given them to search for information you haven't volunteered is a deliberate breach of data protection. We can see this in PGabz's case - they've used information he volunteered (the username he gave them) to dig up additional information (he posts on SA under the same name linking to videos on his Major Tom account), and used that information (to change his name with them and alter how customer services deals with him). If PGabz hasn't volunteered this info or mentioned it on the SC forums, they've been using his info without his permission in breach of the law. Even if he has, it's unnecessary information and wrong for them to store.

tl, dr: as a Brit, PGabz can potentially sue and pursue criminal charges against CIG, provided I'm right about the law (IANAL).

GOT EM

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:27

peter gabriel: Nov 8, 2011; Hello Commandos

Murderion posted:

Blah, had two effortposts on customer services and data protection eaten by computer crashes.

Anyhow, flakegate is embarrassing, but worse for CIG, it looks like they've been breaking data protection laws. The most obvious bit - not giving info to third parties - is probably intact unless CIG security is tissue thin. However, in the UK at least, there's another caveat. Companies cannot collect, retain, or use extraneous or unnecessary information on their customers. What information is necessary is determined by the nature of the company and the TOS. "Snowflake" and "High maintenance" don't count, since that's just using information from your interactions with customer services. "Goon" does - it's information about your internet usage that isn't relevant to the services CIG (doesn't) provide. If that information has been volunteered by the customer, it's a bit naughty to retain that information, and worse to use it, but no biggie (unless you can argue that being a Goon is an ethnicity, religion, sexuality or medical condition).

Using a customer's information to search for more information on them OTOH, is very naughty. Taking the info you've given them to search for information you haven't volunteered is a deliberate breach of data protection. We can see this in PGabz's case - they've used information he volunteered (the username he gave them) to dig up additional information (he posts on SA under the same name linking to videos on his Major Tom account), and used that information (to change his name with them and alter how customer services deals with him). If PGabz hasn't volunteered this info or mentioned it on the SC forums, they've been using his info without his permission in breach of the law. Even if he has, it's unnecessary information and wrong for them to store.

tl, dr: as a Brit, PGabz can potentially sue and pursue criminal charges against CIG, provided I'm right about the law (IANAL).

Can I point and laugh like Nelson instead?

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:28

A Neurotic Jew: Feb 17, 2012; by exmarx

peter gabriel posted:

Just a video recap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFF-GwupmCY

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:28

G0RF: Mar 19, 2015; Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.

Murderion posted:

Blah, had two effortposts on customer services and data protection eaten by computer crashes.

Using a customer's information to search for more information on them OTOH, is very naughty. Taking the info you've given them to search for information you haven't volunteered is a deliberate breach of data protection. We can see this in PGabz's case - they've used information he volunteered (the username he gave them) to dig up additional information (he posts on SA under the same name linking to videos on his Major Tom account), and used that information (to change his name with them and alter how customer services deals with him). If PGabz hasn't volunteered this info or mentioned it on the SC forums, they've been using his info without his permission in breach of the law. Even if he has, it's unnecessary information and wrong for them to store.

tl, dr: as a Brit, PGabz can potentially sue and pursue criminal charges against CIG, provided I'm right about the law (IANAL).

This is a great post and I'm eager to hear Derek's, Pgabz's and Moma's opinions on it.

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:30

peter gabriel: Nov 8, 2011; Hello Commandos

G0RF posted:

This is a great post and I'm eager to hear Derek's, Pgabz's and Moma's opinions on it.

Here is my opinion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:31

A Neurotic Jew: Feb 17, 2012; by exmarx

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/4mooeh/cig_is_calling_you_names/

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:40

Chin: Dec 12, 2005; GET LOST 2013
-RALPH

Isn't there a way to question your own assumptions without having to hang out with stupid people or deceptive people?

I'm having a hard time thinking of a scenario where an informed person could think SC is a well managed project with a promising future and not be a moron. Or someone with ulterior motives trying to perpetuate the scam.

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:42

Tippis: Mar 21, 2008; It's yet another day in the wasteland.

A Neurotic Jew posted:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/4mooeh/cig_is_calling_you_names/

Funny how he fails to describe any kind of actual fallacy in it�

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:43

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peter gabriel: Nov 8, 2011; Hello Commandos

A Neurotic Jew posted:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/4mooeh/cig_is_calling_you_names/

Oh no I have upset that guy whatever will I do

# ? Jun 5, 2016 19:43

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