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Volcott posted:I thought the rub was they could make artificial human organs, but they didn't know enough about Neelex's species to do it right. Well give them replicator tech that can only make organs.
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Crowsbeak posted:Well give them replicator tech that can only make organs. Then leave before they find out the replicators are hard-coded to only make the musical kind of organs.
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We talk about the reasons the Federation went to war with the Dominion, but I think it was really a war about the Federation needing to take down a rival that actively embraced genetic engineering, not caring about sharing tech with pre-warp societies, and cloning.
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JediTalentAgent posted:We talk about the reasons the Federation went to war with the Dominion, but I think it was really a war about the Federation needing to take down a rival that actively embraced genetic engineering, not caring about sharing tech with pre-warp societies, and cloning. Sisko did Stardate 3574.6
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Oh yeah the psychic alien that incapacitated the entire crew with visions out of their brains? Yeah gently caress you if you think we're explaining that one was it even reeaaallll man? There seem to be a lot of episodes they just don't know how to end Like unless they're setting a lot of stuff up for later episodes or something
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Jun 5, 2016 18:58
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Totally forgot about how bad that episode where people aged in reverse was, god drat....
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Jun 5, 2016 18:59
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rocket_man38 posted:Totally forgot about how bad that episode where people aged in reverse was, god drat.... I dunno, young Picard did better than most child actors.
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Is it morally wrong to gently caress Keiko in that episode when she had the body of a 12 year old but still had the mind of an adult and was able to consent?
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Ein cooler Typ posted:Is it morally wrong to gently caress Keiko in that episode when she had the body of a 12 year old but still had the mind of an adult and was able to consent? These are the sorts of ethical questions Star Trek was made to explore.
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lol I remember that episode, I think keiko even hit onto O'Brien and it made him all sorts of uncomfortable. My god there were lots of bad episodes in TNG. You tend to forget.
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Jun 5, 2016 20:07
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Ein cooler Typ posted:Is it morally wrong to gently caress Keiko in that episode when she had the body of a 12 year old but still had the mind of an adult and was able to consent? No but I'm not sure i understand the question. We have no problems with people in a 25 year old body but with the mental capacity of. 12 year old banging so why would this be any different.
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Ein cooler Typ posted:Is it morally wrong to gently caress Keiko in that episode when she had the body of a 12 year old but still had the mind of an adult and was able to consent? It would be wrong for Miles. It would be acceptable for a Talaxian as that is part of their culture.
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Monkey Fracas posted:Oh yeah the psychic alien that incapacitated the entire crew with visions out of their brains? Yeah gently caress you if you think we're explaining that one was it even reeaaallll man? I just watched the DS9 episode where Sisko/Dax/Garak/Odo are psychically taken back to the occupation. They suffer through events as they happened, somehow living the lives of Bajoran slave workers, at the end it turns out it was because Odo was guilty, everyone wakes up and Bashir is just like "Guess whatever was doing that is over with!"
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Monkey Fracas posted:Oh yeah the psychic alien that incapacitated the entire crew with visions out of their brains? Yeah gently caress you if you think we're explaining that one was it even reeaaallll man? They are not. Also I'm pretty sure that race of zombie organ harvesters that took up an entire season or two as a huge threat were written away with a single line in a later season during that Jason Alexander episode. Something like "oh yeah we cured them they're doing great now *shrug*" and then they're never heard from again.
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Nigmaetcetera posted:These are the sorts of ethical questions Star Trek was made to explore. Like I said, discrete fan service that's cringe. Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Apr 22, 2022 |
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Wolfsheim posted:that Jason Alexander episode
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shadow puppet of a posted:Whenever you think you've got a grip on the breadth and totality of Voyager's terribleness, there is always something that pops out at you as a reminder that no one can conceive and conceptualize the whole seven awful seasons all at once. That's what makes VOY aggravating, they had tons of great concepts that they abandoned. Was there a lot of turnover in the writers room?
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FuturePastNow posted:I dunno, young Picard did better than most child actors. Yeah except he couldn't pronounce "Picard". He kept calling himself "pee-card".
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Automatic Slim posted:That's what makes VOY aggravating, they had tons of great concepts that they abandoned. Was there a lot of turnover in the writers room? Ron Moore, who was responsible for every good Klingon episode of TNG, and who wrote a ton of amazing DS9 stuff, and who was behind the BSG reboot did like a month on the Voyager writing staff and quit in disgust
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oldpainless posted:No but I'm not sure i understand the question. We have no problems with people in a 25 year old body but with the mental capacity of. 12 year old banging so why would this be any different. If it makes you feel better I'm gonna take the stance that you should not have been banged.
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A Fancy Bloke posted:Ron Moore, who was responsible for every good Klingon episode of TNG, and who wrote a ton of amazing DS9 stuff, and who was behind the BSG reboot did like a month on the Voyager writing staff and quit in disgust He also did though have a hand with Braga in writing Generations.
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Germstore posted:If it makes you feel better I'm gonna take the stance that you should not have been banged. I appreciate your concern. Thank you my friend.
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shadow puppet of a posted:Whenever you think you've got a grip on the breadth and totality of Voyager's terribleness, there is always something that pops out at you as a reminder that no one can conceive and conceptualize the whole seven awful seasons all at once. Your move, Pussyface. 
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Crowsbeak posted:He also did though have a hand with Braga in writing Generations. I'll not hear a bad word about Generations! Flawed, certainly, but I felt it explored an interesting theme, loved seeing Enterprise D on the big screen and the theme was awesome. I mean Yeah First Contact is always gonna be the best TNG movie but there's something special about Generations.
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Alan_Shore posted:I'll not hear a bad word about Generations! Flawed, certainly, but I felt it explored an interesting theme, loved seeing Enterprise D on the big screen and the theme was awesome. I mean Yeah First Contact is always gonna be the best TNG movie but there's something special about Generations. I was all  when I thought you said it was the best Star Trek movie
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Apparently originally instead of the dumb scene on the sailing frigate the Enterprise was supposed to fight off 3 Romulan warbirds but Jerry Taylor (who thought up the Kazon ) said it be predictable.
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Alan_Shore posted:I'll not hear a bad word about Generations! Flawed, certainly, but I felt it explored an interesting theme, loved seeing Enterprise D on the big screen and the theme was awesome. That movie was incoherent rear end with more plot holes than swiss cheese and one of the dumbest things that era of Star Trek ever did. Nothing makes any loving sense and the screen play is sloppy, unfocused, and doesn't know what the hell it's doing. It also looks cheap and lovely. gently caress that movie. ED: Literally the whole plot is a hole, surrounded by other, smaller plot holes. Transformers was more thought provoking and had more clear themes than that poo poo. Crowsbeak posted:Apparently originally instead of the dumb scene on the sailing frigate the Enterprise was supposed to fight off 3 Romulan warbirds but Jerry Taylor (who thought up the Kazon ) said it be predictable. I will say the movie isn't predictable at all, because it's so incoherent it can't be. You can't guess what'll happen when poo poo just happens for no reason. Nothing makes loving sense. My favorite moment with the dumb loving Nexus: "Oh yeah, you can go back to ANY point in time, anywhere. Anyone who leaves can." "Please take me and this legendary ship captain to have an old man three way fist fight at a time we clearly have no advantages." gently caress that movie. ED: It'd been hilarious but actually sensible at the same time if they spent 20 years in there learning Kung Fu then came back to have that fist fight, I suppose. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Jun 5, 2016 |
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Volcott posted:I thought the rub was they could make artificial human organs, but they didn't know enough about Neelex's species to do it right. I think with the... ugh... holographic organs, it's less "we made actual holographic copies of Talaxian lungs" and more "the holographic forcefields are just doing the gas exchange work in place of the organs that should be there". Easier to use the forcefields to do the mechanical task than to create biological cellular structures that will function properly and be compatible with the rest of Neelix's body. Or at least, that would have been a sensible-enough explanation. I'm sure Voyager's writers found ways to be dumber, though.
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Automatic Slim posted:That's what makes VOY aggravating, they had tons of great concepts that they abandoned. Was there a lot of turnover in the writers room? The writers room was apparently a constant battlefield. That's why Mulgrew ended up deciding Janeway was bipolar, because the second one writer got the upper hand, they would retcon all development by their rivals. Everything was down to the wire, and the studio had to keep butting in just to get something they could shoot.
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Which Voyager writer was the worst?
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Crowsbeak posted:Which Voyager writer was the worst? all of us
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chaosbreather posted:The writers room was apparently a constant battlefield. That's why Mulgrew ended up deciding Janeway was bipolar, because the second one writer got the upper hand, they would retcon all development by their rivals. Everything was down to the wire, and the studio had to keep butting in just to get something they could shoot. That sounds about right. Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I think with the... ugh... holographic organs, it's less "we made actual holographic copies of Talaxian lungs" and more "the holographic forcefields are just doing the gas exchange work in place of the organs that should be there". Easier to use the forcefields to do the mechanical task than to create biological cellular structures that will function properly and be compatible with the rest of Neelix's body. So let me get this straight… they can take a hair sample from Dr. Pulaski's brush and compare it with her last transporter records and filter out terrible space diseases, but Neelix gets stuck with the photonic lung? For that matter, can they just keep a file of changes every time someone uses a transporter. Going down the rabbit hole, there shouldn't be any obesity in the 24th century. "Looks like Counselor Troi and Riker are fighting again. She's been hitting the chocolate sundaes hard this week. Let's just subtract a few molecules from the rematerialization buffer. "
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A Fancy Bloke posted:Ron Moore, who was responsible for every good Klingon episode of TNG, and who wrote a ton of amazing DS9 stuff, and who was behind the BSG reboot did like a month on the Voyager writing staff and quit in disgust He came back occasionally, one time teaming up with Bryan Fuller to make a B'Elanna episode that was actually interesting and character building, just to show he could spin gold out of poo poo. (Barge of the Dead)
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Automatic Slim posted:So let me get this straight… they can take a hair sample from Dr. Pulaski's brush and compare it with her last transporter records and filter out terrible space diseases, but Neelix gets stuck with the photonic lung? the biofilter is the dumbest loving thing, i don't know who thought that would be a good idea. as described in the tech manual it would be impossible for the computer to filter out pathogens from the matter stream, it doesn't make any sense. 4/5ths of the biomass of a person is foreign organisms that photonic lung was also loving stupid, there's no way they couldn't replicate a good enough lung there pretty much isn't any obesity in the 24th but that's because of replicators, not transporters. as troi herself notes on occasion, when she orders food the computer uses her personal real-time medical information and dietry history to deliver her perfectly engineered and totally masked nutrition every time. you could order chocolate sundaes, or salad, or beer, all day long and you would still get precisely 100% of your personal RDIs. the obesity that does exist is from eating 'real' food like a caveman
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chaosbreather posted:there pretty much isn't any obesity in the 24th but that's because of replicators, not transporters. as troi herself notes on occasion, when she orders food the computer uses her personal real-time medical information and dietry history to deliver her perfectly engineered and totally masked nutrition every time. you could order chocolate sundaes, or salad, or beer, all day long and you would still get precisely 100% of your personal RDIs. the obesity that does exist is from eating 'real' food like a caveman a future of chacken tendy eaters great
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Hector Beerlioz posted:It was nice of Picard to invite the ship's "fiction expert" with him to the dixon hill program. "Your name came up at the top of the list for this assignment. Something about your senior project was on restoring lost digital works from the turn of the 21st century. Will that give you any special insight onto Dixon Hill?" "If he's ever had erotic fan-written fiction written about him, then yes..."
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chaosbreather posted:the biofilter is the dumbest loving thing, i don't know who thought that would be a good idea. as described in the tech manual it would be impossible for the computer to filter out pathogens from the matter stream, it doesn't make any sense. 4/5ths of the biomass of a person is foreign organisms Also what probably controls behavior somewhat (preventing obesity) is the non stop loving nagging that people do. Barclay can't even spend his free time in the holodeck without a gang of jerks using security overrides on the door and lecturing him. 90% of the time someone wants to be left alone in their quarters a group of people pick the lock and start into a sanctimonious rage. I'm sure Ensign Riveria or somebody would save up their replicator credits and stress eat during a Borg Attack but luckily Troi had Riker and Worf kick down his door so that he could get a 30 minute lecture and mandatory counseling for "unhealthy habits RISKING THE LIVES OF THE CREW ON THIS SHIP. YOU HAVE A DUTY TO THAT UNIFORM."
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