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My favorite thing about Dragon Age Inquisition was finding a book that just spelled out how each regions fews on same sex relationships and pretty much everyone was complety okay with it except for the Tevintars, because gently caress the Tevintars
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good
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# ? Jun 12, 2016 19:18 |
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i can't wait to preorder Mass Effect: Andromeda, the new hit game from Bioware
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# ? Jun 12, 2016 19:19 |
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my issue with bioware gay stuff is that it's all pretty much written like an afterschool special about how gay people are cool and normal, and not actually written with gay people in mind
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# ? Jun 12, 2016 19:21 |
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I hope ME goes back to its roots of being a sci fi exploration game that focuses on the world around you and not a handful of mary sues but what do I know
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# ? Jun 12, 2016 19:21 |
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Phi230 posted:I hope ME goes back to its roots of being a sci fi exploration game that focuses on the world around you and not a handful of mary sues but what do I know Not a lot if you still use terms like Mary Sue.
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# ? Jun 12, 2016 19:23 |
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Jeff Gerstmann tells me to never preorder your games.
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# ? Jun 12, 2016 19:23 |
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Steve2911 posted:Not a lot if you still use terms like Mary Sue. There are many characters in ME2 and beyond that are such obvious self inserts of the fanfiction writers on bioware's staff and let me remind you that there are literal fanfiction writers leading the writing on p. much every bioware game since shortly after the EA acquisition.
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# ? Jun 12, 2016 19:25 |
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Like?
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Sinners Sandwich posted:Like? hamburger helper and those like 3 dudes they hired onto DA2 as well jack is such a cliche and mary sue character. She may have been ripped out of a YA novel. Miranda also sucks because she exists for no other reason than to be a pair of tits and rear end which is insulting for obvious reasons. Jacob sucks too. They ruined ashley by making her more of a sex object progressively throughout the series, even making her boobs bigger and letting her hair down etc... the only good characters are shep (femshep especially) garrus, legion, and wrex. All others have been corrupted by terrible writing or were just bad to start with Phi230 fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Jun 12, 2016 |
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Endorph posted:my issue with bioware gay stuff is that it's all pretty much written like an afterschool special about how gay people are cool and normal, and not actually written with gay people in mind well you can't deny that that's a good fit for the maturity level of the target audience also for what it's worth i am gay and i often read discussions in glbt online communities that are related to videogames and bioware characters are usually well recieved meanwhile the people who complain that those characters are poorly written pandering have a ~40-50% chance to then try to tell me about ethics in bideogam jurnalisms
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# ? Jun 12, 2016 19:26 |
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Unironic use of hamburger helper nice
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i mean, define 'literal fanfiction writers' because if you wrote fanfiction when you were a teenager i dont think that really reflects on you as an adult anymore than my decade old myspace page about how good yellowcard is reflects on meRottenK posted:well you can't deny that that's a good fit for the maturity level of the target audience I think a lot of the good reception is just how hard up people, especially people who only play AAA western games, are for any sort of representation.
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man i love that word filter
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# ? Jun 12, 2016 19:27 |
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I'd bet a large portion of writers of anything were fanfiction writers at some point.
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Sakurazuka posted:Unironic use of hamburger helper nice
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# ? Jun 12, 2016 19:28 |
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Mass Effect is Star Control fanfiction
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Andrast posted:I'd bet a large portion of writers of anything were fanfiction writers at some point.
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# ? Jun 12, 2016 19:29 |
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holy poo poo you guys its e3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fysno8xdJWo
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# ? Jun 12, 2016 19:30 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFtb3EtjEic
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RottenK posted:well you can't deny that that's a good fit for the maturity level of the target audience bioware minority characters are mainly insulting because they're clearly tokens. And tokenism is bad because it basically feeds into "oh x character is a gay but he's one of the good ones" kind of poo poo tokenism is also bad because it doesn't make the distinction that minorities are normal people Phi230 fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Jun 12, 2016 |
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Phi230 posted:There are many characters in ME2 and beyond that are such obvious self inserts of the fanfiction writers on bioware's staff A writer's got to start somewhere. Fanfiction or original fiction posted on a blog or whatever, writing is writing. The number of people who write "professionally" and are successful novelists is extremely low. Hell, most people who write a novel and manage to get it published are lucky if they get picked up to write a second or third book before their career is effectively dead in the water. It's actually rather cool that there's more games out there that are taking their writing into greater consideration, since it's another way for amateurs to get into a job doing what they love for a living. It doesn't always end up "good" by someone's personal standards, but it's good enough for someone else.
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Endorph posted:i mean, define 'literal fanfiction writers' because if you wrote fanfiction when you were a teenager i dont think that really reflects on you as an adult anymore than my decade old myspace page about how good yellowcard is reflects on me oh yeah that's very true i like Dorian from Inquisition, for example, but i still groaned when he was revealed, though i'm sure that bioware meant well
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Phi230 posted:bioware minority characters are mainly insulting because they're clearly tokens. And tokenism is bad because it basically feeds into "oh x character is a gay but he's one of the good ones" kind of poo poo how are they tokens
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Phi230 posted:bioware minority characters are mainly insulting because they're clearly tokens. And tokenism is bad because it basically feeds into "oh x character is a gay but he's one of the good ones" kind of poo poo What's the difference between a "token" and a regular gay character? Edit: not trying to shut you down, just trying to understand
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Phi230 posted:bioware minority characters are mainly insulting because they're clearly tokens. And tokenism is bad because it basically feeds into "oh x character is a gay but he's one of the good ones" kind of poo poo
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Dred Cosmonaut posted:holy poo poo you guys its e3 Sometimes I miss G4. Not often, but enough to make me wonder what's wrong with me.
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Endorph posted:The thing about tokenism is that the solution isn't really 'don't put these characters into your games,' it's 'put in more.' You have a space opera with like, 150 characters with at least a few dialogue trees, you can have more than 3 gay dudes and a lesbian. Even if a character's not that well written they don't really feel like a token attempt to appear progressive if there's seven other gay dudes in the same game. actually if you make a game with 150 characters and make 8 of them glbt idiots will cry at you about cultural marxism and give your game bad reviews on steam and metacritic
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Bass Bottles posted:What's the difference between a "token" and a regular gay character? The purpose in which they are portrayed. A token gay character is expressly a minority so you have like one gay dude represented at all. The purpose of representing them at all being to appear progressive and inclusive rather than any other reason. Also included to be a "gay character" rather than a character who is gay, which is the biggest and most important distinction. Whatever character's gayness is the point of the character whereas a good character being gay would be something that gives that character more depth as apart of several other character traits. Minorities are normal people and are not defined by their status as a minority. To make a character "oh that's the gay one" does nothing but to separate gay from normal.
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Endorph posted:The thing about tokenism is that the solution isn't really 'don't put these characters into your games,' it's 'put in more.' You have a space opera with like, 150 characters with at least a few dialogue trees, you can have more than 3 gay dudes and a lesbian. Even if a character's not that well written they don't really feel like a token attempt to appear progressive if there's seven other gay dudes in the same game. Yes put in more. The reason why Bioware games have tokens is because they have a handful of minorities of every variety as if they are checking off a list of minorities to include on that note i hope a game coming out or at least revealed at E3 has a gay or minority main character. Every game yet still has "stubbled straight white man" as a protagonist
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i hate it when token hetero characters bring up their sexuality without any narrative reason for it drat sjws
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RottenK posted:i hate it when token hetero characters bring up their sexuality without any narrative reason for it sex scenes and hetero sexualization are also bad don't be immature sex scenes in games at least exist for no reason solely for nerds to jerk off. Bioware is soooo guilty of this. The only game that has ever come close to a tasteful sex scene has been witcher 3 and that is still laughably far away from a sex scene with actual artistic and narrative merit and still is fanservice. Its like early game of thrones with the sexposition stuff
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Phi230 posted:The purpose in which they are portrayed. A token gay character is expressly a minority so you have like one gay dude represented at all. The purpose of representing them at all being to appear progressive and inclusive rather than any other reason. Also included to be a "gay character" rather than a character who is gay, which is the biggest and most important distinction. Whatever character's gayness is the point of the character whereas a good character being gay would be something that gives that character more depth as apart of several other character traits. Yes but it's incredibly easy to point at any non-white-cis-male character and claim that they're a token and use that as another means to stigmatise them. Shouting at Bioware for their (admittedly clumsy) diversity isn't going to encourage them to be better. A relative was trying to convince me today that Hermione's casting in the Harry Potter play was tokenism today (and he opened his statement with 'this might sound racist but...'). Saying 'they shouldn't have been *insert trait* because it's tokenism' just makes the problem worse. If he's said 'ok they've made Hermione black now how about further diversifying the cast' then that'd be great. stev fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Jun 12, 2016 |
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It feels weird to single Bioware out for tokenism regarding lbgt representation when they are still better than the vast majority of other games which have gently caress all
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Orv posted:Sometimes I miss G4. Not often, but enough to make me wonder what's wrong with me. G4 was dope back in the mid 2000s dude. I give this network a 4... out of 5
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RottenK posted:actually if you make a game with 150 characters and make 8 of them glbt idiots will cry at you about cultural marxism and give your game bad reviews on steam and metacritic
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Gay characters are only good if they never mention being gay or any gay stuff.
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# ? Jun 12, 2016 19:43 |
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Sakurazuka posted:Gay characters are only good if they never mention being gay or any gay stuff.
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Dred Cosmonaut posted:G4 was dope back in the mid 2000s dude. They had their moments. I remember when they did a whole two hour thing for an in-studio UT2k4 tournament. What a weird age.
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Endorph posted:honestly idk about these other dudes who im not even sure if they agree with me or not but my argument is that there should be way more gay stuff and it should be way more in your face. like that ff15 quote about explosions, only with girls making out. That's my argument now too
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