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Lucian got nerfed pretty severely in the latest patch, he's unable to crit on the second shot of his passive and his Q range got hit really hard.
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it's also nice to have an ADC with at least 2 or 3 dashes per teamfight from 20 minutes on
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Any Corki picks on the last few patches only real justification would be "I was really high on the day of the match"
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Zoness posted:isn't lucian being picked for the black cleaver/youmu's ghostblade power spike more than laning dominance Then they should pick Miss Fortune
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Libertine posted:Any Corki picks on the last few patches only real justification would be "I was really high on the day of the match" This is OG we're talking about after all
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Wuxi posted:This is OG we're talking about after all The Box Score says: DNP - Corki - Injury (Too many club drugs at the sex castle)
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henkman posted:Then they should pick Miss Fortune this seems like an awful idea, strut devalues cloud drake so much
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I dunno why you guys are so bent out of shape over the smoothie/bunny sub. I assumed that the decision was made earlier that regardless of outcome, they were going to swap out.
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The biggest reason for Lucian is mobility, it's just incidental that he was also the hardest hitting ADC. If Corki could dash as often as Lucian could as-is he'd be picked just as often.KicksYouInHalf posted:I dunno why you guys are so bent out of shape over the smoothie/bunny sub. I assumed that the decision was made earlier that regardless of outcome, they were going to swap out.
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KicksYouInHalf posted:I dunno why you guys are so bent out of shape over the smoothie/bunny sub. I assumed that the decision was made earlier that regardless of outcome, they were going to swap out. The way they handled against CLG is probably better than their play until you lose system, but at this point it's kind of hard to look at the games and think that Bunny and Smoothie are on the same level.
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Nook posted:http://www.lolesports.com/en_US/articles/competitive-ruling-apx-eve "As per the Global Penalty Index" A quote from Riot Games, or the ICC.
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Hey Keven I don't think it's fair to call CLG the greatest team in the world since nobody was in play-off mode and there was very little on the line at MSI for almost any of the teams. All that came from G2 tanking was Europe switched one place with LMS and in the end doesn't even matter bc if you want to win worlds you've got to beat SKT anyway regardless of what group you're placed in. In playoff mode, any good team is going to exploit how weak Huhi is tremendously, and possibly see right through CLG's split-push strategy. I can see Samsung, Jin Air, and especially Koo and SKT running circles around them, and most Chinese and LMS teams are just going to obliterate them in team fights because Huhi is almost always a non-factor who can't even hit Azir ults. Unless Ziggs and Xareth become in-meta again I don't see Huhi doing anything at World's. If NRG can get a better coaching staff they look like they could be a top 4 playoff team, GBM and Ohq are so good at team fighting but they usually make so many bad mistakes in laning that they're so far behind by Baron time comes they're never making an impact. Santorin is looking a lot better too, they just look so lost the first 15 minutes of a game.
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Being results oriented is dumb, but what they've done with the support situation also has been dumb in a different way. I am very curious about what the issue is with Bunny that the signed Smoothie so close to the split starting tho
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It's hard to imagine anything dumber than botting as a pro player. Like even boosting I understand if you are trying to skim some big money from people under the table. Botting though? Jesus gently caress why?
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I think the average skill level of NA has gone up sharply but everyone wants to be the first to call a team stupid and bad and lovely. one of the unfortunate effects of doing well at a 2 week LAN is that there is now a ton of extra video to study on that team, maybe several teams found out what CLG were going to do and executed strategies specifically to exploit their weaknesses. They've also made a lot of mistakes and haven't necessarily nailed down the new meta. so i'd expect them to make a decent showing toward the end of the season, but they might get crowded out by the other decent teams that have shown up
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rabidsquid posted:Being results oriented is dumb, but what they've done with the support situation also has been dumb in a different way. I am very curious about what the issue is with Bunny that the signed Smoothie so close to the split starting tho Somehow Cloud9 still looks like one of the better NA teams though.
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RealFoxy posted:Hey Keven I don't think it's fair to call CLG the greatest team in the world since nobody was in play-off mode and there was very little on the line at MSI for almost any of the teams. All that came from G2 tanking was Europe switched one place with LMS and in the end doesn't even matter bc if you want to win worlds you've got to beat SKT anyway regardless of what group you're placed in. I, on the other hand, think that Kevens assessment is spot-on. You can be the best team without having the best players
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Wuxi posted:I, on the other hand, think that Kevens assessment is spot-on. You can be the best team without having the best players e: It looks like Kikis was pushed out of G2's starting position but I don't really blame G2. He was a good top laner that did what they needed him to, but in the end it's probably better to have a real top laner that knows that matchups better and can perform much better overall. G2 got by having the strongest Jungler/Mid laner last season and I don't think that's going to really cut it this season in Europe or at World's. Dardoch was suspended for arguing with Piglet and Loco RealFoxy fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Jun 14, 2016 |
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exethan posted:I think the average skill level of NA has gone up sharply but everyone wants to be the first to call a team stupid and bad and lovely. MSI kind of punished all the participating teams by denying them practice time on a new patch while everybody else was bootcamping/scrimming, and instead forcing them to prepare and play on an old patch. I guess that playing against top teams is a kind of learning experience, and that those teams probably benefited from extra fans and publicity by playing at MSI. But otherwise the tourney only indirectly benefits a team - especially once the round robin is done and the worlds pools are set. The rest is just bragging rights and publicity, which is something, but if the goal is worlds the benefit is less tangible. Also SKT was given the first week off from LCK due to the MSI tourney - CLG might have benefited from that, who knows.
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Stay strong Lovechop, a lot of haters will tell you otherwise but we both know that he's going to worlds
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PlaceholderPigeon posted:
Why does nobody ever mention the money? And nobody ever mentions money in regards to seeding at Worlds. 2015 Worlds Prize Pool: 1st - $1,000,000 2nd - $250,000 3/4th - $150,000 5-8th - $75,000 9-12th- $45,000 13-16th- $25,000 2016 MSI Prize pool: 1st - $250,000 2nd - $100,000 3/4th- $50,000 Teams gain the ability to support and enhance their operations by garnering good results in tournaments like these. Saying "you still have to beat everybody to win" like it somehow discounts the importance of seeding at Worlds is dumb. Yes, to get 1st you have to beat everybody. But if you can give yourself a chance at an easier path to the later rounds of the tournament, you'll make more money for your organization, which can help you build for later success. Calm fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Jun 14, 2016 |
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I feel like those are paltry amounts compared to The International. I specifically remember an article about Dendi taking home millions to a socialist country.
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Worlds should definitely have an increased prize pool or do like Valve and sell compendiums or esports icons or skins or something and donate those to the prize pool. The prize pool was insane back in like 2012/2013 but it looks paltry as gently caress now, especially considering the scope and success of both the game and the competitive scene.
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Libertine posted:Worlds should definitely have an increased prize pool or do like Valve and sell compendiums or esports icons or skins or something and donate those to the prize pool. The prize pool was insane back in like 2012/2013 but it looks paltry as gently caress now, especially considering the scope and success of both the game and the competitive scene. You have a better chance of getting a bigger payout from raising a Challenger team to LCS and selling it off than you do by winning Worlds.
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Considering challenger teams are getting sold from 500k - 1Mil and all that goes directly to an organization owner it's a LOT more easy to take advantage of that bubble like St Vicious did and just sell off a LCS spot a couple times than it is to practice for World's. NA is where you go to retire, QTpie makes more streaming than he ever did as a pro. Even if China is full of old Korean pros, at least the stand a chance at making it to the final 4 every year.
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Kibner posted:You have a better chance of getting a bigger payout from raising a Challenger team to LCS and selling it off than you do by winning Worlds. Yeah, winning worlds is a lot better for the exposure than it is the actual money. The whole reward structure for league pro gaming is a mess in many ways. Dragongem fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Jun 14, 2016 |
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Stream money as a retirement plan is retarded, most of these guys aren't entertaining
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You don't need to be entertaining. Dyrus is a top channel on twitch on the reg. Dominate is a lesser retiree, but I think even he has said the compensation is either better or barely below the pro salary, with the caveat of having a much better schedule.
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I wonder how much of a 250k payout you personally would get, because that's minus whatever the org takes / whatever kind of split support staff get and then divided by five plus whatever subs get if you got em.
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Shadow225 posted:You don't need to be entertaining. Dyrus is a top channel on twitch on the reg. Dominate is a lesser retiree, but I think even he has said the compensation is either better or barely below the pro salary, with the caveat of having a much better schedule. Big name retirees probably make a lot of money, but there's probably only 20-30 pros that could make a full-time living streaming. Oddone, Dyrus, Qtpie, Anniebot, Nightblue and those types probably make really good money. Altho Anniebot still lives with his loving mom at 24.
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Shadow225 posted:You don't need to be entertaining. Dyrus is a top channel on twitch on the reg. Dominate is a lesser retiree, but I think even he has said the compensation is either better or barely below the pro salary, with the caveat of having a much better schedule. Dyrus has worked very hard on understated humor and interacting/joking with his chat. Yeah, a lot of it is memeing and making stupid jokes with whatever co-streamer he's working with, but he's definitely improved from the 'sits silently playing' Dyrus you're probably thinking of.
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Shadow225 posted:You don't need to be entertaining. Dyrus is a top channel on twitch on the reg. Dominate is a lesser retiree, but I think even he has said the compensation is either better or barely below the pro salary, with the caveat of having a much better schedule. I'd argue that you do if you need to be entertaining if you weren't a fan favorite at some point. how many viewers do you think vileroze, nintendude, or billyboss are getting right now? jesiz and impaler are two imports that also didn't work out and didn't catch on with fans. and i think a lot of these guys straight up don't like to stream. I think dom still might be working for liquid in some capacity. Dyrus works with riot as well. I'm sure there is money to be found in the gaming scene for ex players but I don't think streaming is a surefire way to make money anymore
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Shadow225 posted:I feel like those are paltry amounts compared to The International. I specifically remember an article about Dendi taking home millions to a socialist country. Libertine posted:Worlds should definitely have an increased prize pool or do like Valve and sell compendiums or esports icons or skins or something and donate those to the prize pool. The prize pool was insane back in like 2012/2013 but it looks paltry as gently caress now, especially considering the scope and success of both the game and the competitive scene. What's the pro scene for DOTA 2 like outside of The International? Does Valve sponser any tournaments besides TI? Are there any leagues comparable to LCS/LCK/LPL? Cause I don't feel like Worlds to TI is a direct comparison given what (admittedly little) I know about the way the DOTA2 pro scene works.
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It used to be there was the International and whatever outside of that was two-bit leagues happened to exist for whatever prize pool was out there. Teams would generally form for the international and if they didn't win or place in the top 3 would break up quite often. Valve wanted to keep more consistency, so they've been tinkering with the general pro structure. As of the 2015-2016 season, Dota now has 3 "majors" outside of the International that happen once every 3 months or so. There's no LCS structure as far as I know but there's a lot of money in DOTA if you make it into one of the majors and/or TI. The Manila major had a prize pool of $3 million, better than League Worlds  . Also, in a humorous fashion, Europe has gone 1-2 in all three majors.Edit: Even funnier, Smite World Championships had a larger prize pool than League worlds 2015. Good going, Riot. Dragongem fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Jun 14, 2016 |
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yeah most of the dota players on consistently good rosters are probably not hurting for cash, but there isn't much of a streamer culture in dota so they're pretty much all in on playing or casting. kinda wonder what league streaming looks like in 5 years after more famous players start to retire with the amount of people already streaming full time.
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Kelsey Moser wrote a quality piece on EU's fixation on Korean imports and the Kikis/G2 thing. it's a good read, as usual for her.wodin posted:Dyrus has worked very hard on understated humor and interacting/joking with his chat. Yeah, a lot of it is memeing and making stupid jokes with whatever co-streamer he's working with, but he's definitely improved from the 'sits silently playing' Dyrus you're probably thinking of. Dyrus also got a big boost as one of the early TSM members, and got a lot of exposure due to the org's focus on showcasing their players and fan interaction. So it gave people a chance to come to like him that many other quiet players wouldn't get. Hell, I even remember passive-agressive Xpecial having a fair following when he was on TSM. First impressions and context count for a lot for determining how people take a personality going forward.
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Radical posted:kinda wonder what league streaming looks like in 5 years after more famous players start to retire with the amount of people already streaming full time. I think streaming is already on a huge decline. Twitch is turning into more of a broadcast platform for major events and I think individual streamers aside from the very tip-top most famous ones are not nearly having as good of a viewership as 2-3 years ago.
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