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Rick posted:The 'wolves are on the precipice of being good and I am not sure they have the minutes for someone who is going to need a lot of them to develop. Especially at SF which is probably at least his initial position. Defending the 4 is going to be easier for him than defending the 3, especially since he has the size already. Like IP said, there are minutes for someone who can shoot. For the Wolves, they will have at least one season at low-to-mid 40 wins before they crack 50. Bender could have time to be brought up.
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IcePhoenix posted:He is 7' 225 he's a PF. Also our bench is bad so there's plenty of places to play him. You know who else was 7' and 225 lbs? That's right you guessed it Frequency Vibrations he's a PG
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IcePhoenix posted:He is 7' 225 he's a PF. Also our bench is bad so there's plenty of places to play him.
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Metapod posted:You know who else was 7' and 225 lbs? That's right you guessed it Frequency Vibrations he's a PG lmao
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INSPECTAH DECK posted:I feel like he's inevitably going to end up at C no matter what anyone says. But that's just my old pea brain.
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Jun 14, 2016 20:55
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straight up brolic posted:he plays incredibly small Question in earnest: what does "playing small" mean? More outside jumpers, not a big rebounder?
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NickRoweFillea posted:Question in earnest: what does "playing small" mean? More outside jumpers, not a big rebounder?
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Jun 14, 2016 21:31
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Lockback posted:Defending the 4 is going to be easier for him than defending the 3, especially since he has the size already. Like IP said, there are minutes for someone who can shoot. For the Wolves, they will have at least one season at low-to-mid 40 wins before they crack 50. Bender could have time to be brought up. He has the height but not the weight or the playstyle. You're asking someone who has the least basketball experience out of anyone in the draft to play a new position in the NBA on a team that wants to win 40 games. That seems like a bad idea. I actually fully believe he has the potential to get there, but in like, three years and a lot of minutes. His best home would probably be with the Lakers or the Sixers, but that's probably not going to happen. Maybe the Suns! But patience for rebuilds isn't Sarver's strong suit. I dunno, maybe the Celtics draft him and don't bring him over yet. They don't HAVE to pay his buyout.
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Jun 14, 2016 21:57
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Rick posted:I dunno, maybe the Celtics draft him and don't bring him over yet. They don't HAVE to pay his buyout. No, but they do have to offer him a contract to keep his rights and his buyout isn't very big. He could just pay it himself then accept the contract offer.
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http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/bob_ford/20160614_Ford__Ingram_works_out__Embiid_stands_out.html More Embiid info and pics, but also includes Colangelo talking about how they're very interested in the medical records of both Ingram and Simmons.
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straight up brolic posted:in his case he's skinny, weak, doesn't have a great vertical, has good lateral quickness and agility, and uses a low defensive position. When you see him on the court, he moves like a perimeter oriented player instead of a center. With the way the league is going it's not necessarily a bad thing. Ty for helping me become a more well rounded hoops understander.
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IcePhoenix posted:No, but they do have to offer him a contract to keep his rights and his buyout isn't very big. He could just pay it himself then accept the contract offer. Buyout is 1.3 million, I don't know how much he's making but average salary for the league is like ~100k a year and at least at this point Bender isn't exactly a star over there. You only have to pay half the buyout up front but 650K is still a lot. I guess he could get a loan.
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Rick posted:Buyout is 1.3 million, I don't know how much he's making but average salary for the league is like ~100k a year and at least at this point Bender isn't exactly a star over there. You only have to pay half the buyout up front but 650K is still a lot. I guess he could get a loan. Yeah, it's like 650k up front, which I think is a pretty small buyout for a player like him? And his first year salary is like 4 million if he gets taken third, so I'm sure he'd be able to get a loan.
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straight up brolic posted:in his case he's skinny, weak, doesn't have a great vertical, has good lateral quickness and agility, and uses a low defensive position. When you see him on the court, he moves like a perimeter oriented player instead of a center. With the way the league is going it's not necessarily a bad thing. This isn't a problem with 4s. More 4s are perimeter-oriented and use the drive anyway, very few are straight post players. I don't think he can play center, but I do think he can play the high post where he can use his length to get his shot off, and once he gets some weight (he's 18, he'll add weight) play off the pick and roll/pop and being a catch and shoot guy. This is basically exactly what you want in a 4 today. I think he'll slot in at the 4 pretty easily, that's what everyone is projecting him as. Yeah, he'll have defensive issues, but that'll happen regardless. It'll also happen with most of the top picks in the draft. At least at 7' he's going to bother shooters and grab a few boards.
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Lockback posted:This isn't a problem with 4s. More 4s are perimeter-oriented and use the drive anyway, very few are straight post players. I don't think he can play center, but I do think he can play the high post where he can use his length to get his shot off, and once he gets some weight (he's 18, he'll add weight) play off the pick and roll/pop and being a catch and shoot guy. This is basically exactly what you want in a 4 today. I think he'll slot in at the 4 pretty easily, that's what everyone is projecting him as.
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It was hard to keep from watching Embiid during this exchange, and during the one about whether Dario Saric will show up this season, even though it would mean a potential financial risk. Embiid took entry passes and spun this way and that. He shot lefthanded. He shot righthanded. He did drop steps. He ducked under. He floated soft hooks through the net. He powered to the basket for dunks. Finally, he did a crossover dribble from right to left behind his legs, took one gigantic stride and rose above the rim, above everything, above all the upturned faces gaping at him, above the very limit of hope an NBA franchise can have in one player, and he brought the ball down through the rim with a crash.
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straight up brolic posted:I think it's a problem on offense, but not on defense. He's quick for a 7 foot guy, but he's not exactly fleet of foot, I don't think he'll be able to take people off the bounce in the NBA and he has no vert, his offensive peak will probably be like a 3 and D four, but he could be an amazing defender. You don't need a great first step to create your offense from the high post, but you need to be either really skilled or really strong, and, well,
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Rick posted:You don't need a great first step to create your offense from the high post, but you need to be either really skilled or really strong, and, well, e: like I can't remember if I've EVER seen him score a basket that wasn't at the rim or the three point line.
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Bulls supposedly told Baldwin they'll take him if he's there and nobody unexpected falls Good poo poo if true
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euphronius posted:It was hard to keep from watching Embiid during this exchange, and during the one about whether Dario Saric will show up this season, even though it would mean a potential financial risk. Embiid took entry passes and spun this way and that. He shot lefthanded. He shot righthanded. He did drop steps. He ducked under. He floated soft hooks through the net. He powered to the basket for dunks. Finally, he did a crossover dribble from right to left behind his legs, took one gigantic stride and rose above the rim, above everything, above all the upturned faces gaping at him, above the very limit of hope an NBA franchise can have in one player, and he brought the ball down through the rim with a crash. Where Amazing Happens
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xbilkis posted:Bulls supposedly told Baldwin they'll take him if he's there and nobody unexpected falls
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after half-assedly reading a few draft articles, watching a few games of march madness, I am now an NBA draft expert and I want the Bulls to take Luwawu and I'll be really angry if they don't outside of all proportion to any knowledge i have about this draft while seething about gar forman as is my god-given right
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Timothe Luwawu owns and I would want him too OP.
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And then after that phase is over you move on to Korkmaz as your favorite mystery box.
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straight up brolic posted:Timothe Luwawu owns and I would want him too OP. Mega Leks is kind of the kentucky of the Baltics. I'm interested to see if any of their guys pan out, or if everyone's being mindfreaked by seeing young players get to play against real competition
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Some scout from DX has his notes up in a publicly viewable spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GG5XsWIWf9v6HKYUG_4cUsrwYxw0g2mUctWhQmcQzn8/edit#gid=280978610
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WhyteRyce posted:Some scout from DX has his notes up in a publicly viewable spreadsheet I am so hoping Poeltl or Bender fall to six...
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poltl at 6 is early, he'll be there
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straight up brolic posted:poltl at 6 is early, he'll be there Cool. My top 3 of players-who-are-likely-to-be-there-at-six are those two and Hield just a smidgen behind. It doesn't look like I need to worry about Kibner fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Jun 15, 2016 |
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https://twitter.com/joshmansour/status/743099983906385920
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Metapod posted:You know who else was 7' and 225 lbs? That's right you guessed it Frequency Vibrations he's a PG He'll bust because of that bad apple Victor Van Lier.
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He's gonna be out of the league after his first year except then he'll sign with another team and be MVP, DPOY, Finals MVP, 1st Team All-NBA, and average 55 points a game
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I had Poltl going to the Pelicans because 1)He's the safest pick (safe being, he'll almost surely play and contribute to the team who drafts him) and 2) They need a center. I could see one of the higher teams just saying "ah gently caress this draft" and picking him though, too.
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A lot of talk about health issues for Ulis (hip) and Valentine (knee).
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I was just looking at the still shot and thinking, huh I guess that's pretty impressive (no idea if it actually is or not, but it is to my untrained eye). Then I played the video.
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http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2016/story/_/id/16229827/ben-simmons-declines-work-philadelphia-76ers Simmons not working out has officially reached the point of sportsguy fake outrage, I'd skip the video at the top of the page or pause it before it gets too gross. Although it autoplays into Kevin Hart criticizing Rich Paul so it's kind of an interesting couterpoint to the first Max Kellerman freakout video. I just posted to source the quote: quote:"Brandon is everything we thought he was. Obviously in a one-on-none workout you aren't going to learn everything about a player, but that is why we scouted a lot of basketball games, watched a lot of tape," Colangelo said. "He is a versatile forward that can handle the ball, shoot the ball. ... He is a silky-smooth small forward." This is my fault, I've been starting to finally drink the Ingram Kool-Aid and now he's going to go first, the Lakers and I still have karmic debts to pay. Grittybeard posted:I was just looking at the still shot and thinking, huh I guess that's pretty impressive (no idea if it actually is or not, but it is to my untrained eye). Then I played the video. My exact reaction!
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straight up brolic posted:Ulis sucks anyway. I dunno that he sucks as much as he's like physically unable to play NBA basketball. He'd go super high if he were 6'1" but he is so loving tiny both in height and weight. Catching up (I was in Europe for two weeks, it was dope) I also think Chriss anywhere from like 5 or so on is okay as a swing for the fences but that says way more about the draft than it does my faith in him actually becoming something. Chad Ford talking about him going like top two or whatever is insane though. straight up brolic posted:I would be very surprised if the Jazz do not take him. I guess they could take Luwawu if he's still on the board Baldwin is a nice fit for what Utah needs from a point guard (in that his weakness is doing actually point guard things that Hayward, Hood, and Burks can help cover up) to the point that I assume there's no way they'd actually draft him because they're afraid he'd get in the way of Exum or something stupid like that. He's kinda garbage at getting to the rim or running an offense but he can defend opposing point guards and spot up while someone else runs a pick and roll. MourningView fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Jun 16, 2016 |
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