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EnergizerFellow posted:You also have a huge chunk of remote workers fleeing from Phoenix to Denver, from what I've seen. Phoenix has turned into a sizable IT/Dev/DevOps hub for financial service companies like PayPal, Amex, Wells Fargo, AAA Insurance, Intuit, BoA, VISA, Fidelity, etc, plus the likes of Boeing and Intel, yet people are getting out because of brutal heat (105+ for 6+ months with regular 115+ peaks), sun so brutal it literally hurts, and rapidly progressing pollution that may soon rival LA in the 70s, according to the EPA. Don't forget the horrific racism and general right-wing jackassery in Arizona, I'm pretty sure that drives out plenty of people too. My parents keep asking if we'll visit while they winter there, I've had to put my foot down and tell them we will never visit them in Arizona, since my (brown) wife and I aren't going to a state where she runs a substantial risk of being literally hassled for her papers by cops, despite her ancestors having lived here for a few thousand years before the average racist Arizona cops' ancestors did.
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e_angst posted:We have it crazy, but one thing that is to our advantage is that the city council is actively working to try and make the city more dense and encourage development. Too bad Austin will never see good mass transit, because of racism. Also too bad Austin is still in Texas instead of a reasonable state.
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eschaton posted:Don't forget the horrific racism and general right-wing jackassery in Arizona, I'm pretty sure that drives out plenty of people too. I was trying to be mildly polite, but you're very right, sadly. The fact that Joe Arpaio has been in power for as long as he has and shows every sign of dying in office of old age say everything that you need to know. Speaking of lovely Phoenix and problems like all-cash home buyers in SF, NYC, Seattle, etc buying up seemingly everything: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/01/blackstone-rental-homes-bundled-derivatives
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ToxicSlurpee posted:There is some really bubbly behavior going on but considering how important technology is to literally everything the human race does nowadays who knows if it'll ever burst. Even so it's a crazy situation that needs a fix sooner rather than later but you have a poo poo load of property owners going "gently caress you got mine."
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cheese posted:A friend's boomer parents are in this situation. ~1.5m Mountain View house they bought in the 80's for a fraction, but what are they gonna do if they sell? All 3 of their kids live in the Bay Area (SJ, Pleasanton and Daly City) and are either recently married or engaged, and they have lifelong friends nearby. They could sell and buy 40 arces and a McMansion in Missouri, but why? So they can start their lives over and be 1500 miles from their impending grandchildren? Why does it have to be Missouri? Why not Grass Valley or Petaluma or Kelseyville?
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Hey now, Kansas City is great. I wouldn't have minded moving back there, except your options for tech work are pretty much Garmin, Sprint, and a few mid-sized corporate focused software dev places. Also google fiber in most of the citt
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TACD posted:Genuine question: what does a 'never bursting' scenario look like? Every unicorn somehow turns a profit at current market shares. TACD posted:Are there examples of similar situations that have somehow transitioned into stability? Never.
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Regression to the mean is a real thing, y'all
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That also kind of depends on what you mean by "stable." Technically speaking absolutely nothing is stable.
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In the long run political collapse tends to follow periods of sustained growth of inequality. But in the long run we're all dead. 
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This is a helpful addendum to the H1B and Glassdoor salary chat because it includes equity and bonuses for big companies: https://blog.step.com/2016/06/16/more-salaries-twitter-linkedin/
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Analytic Engine posted:This is a helpful addendum to the H1B and Glassdoor salary chat because it includes equity and bonuses for big companies: There are some clear data quality issues there. Senior SWEs at Microsoft don't get that little base pay, and E5s at FB don't get that little equity, for two.
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EnergizerFellow posted:Speaking of lovely Phoenix and problems like all-cash home buyers in SF, NYC, Seattle, etc buying up seemingly everything: quote:"You kind of just hope they know what they're doing," he says. I recently spent like two hours arguing with a friend over a couple of lunches that the housing market, even in shitball Cleveland, Ohio, just seems so artificially inflated and that this whole concept of housing as an investment doesn't really make any sense to me. It's good to know reading through these past few pages I may not have been completely crazy.
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another housing crisis? Well, I really shouldn't, but...what the hell!
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New York Senate passes bill that bans short-term apartment listings on Airbnb
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ToxicSlurpee posted:It's a downright bizarre thing to think about because entire vast swathes of America are just plain abandoned right now. The area I'm originally from is just awash with abandoned buildings and cheap housing; an enterprising software company could probably just buy up entire drat city blocks on the cheap and fill them with programmers. Like even if hypothetical tech company presented some good jobs, do I really want to move to an area and potentially settle down where there aren't a bunch of similar jobs in case this one goes south for me?
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In tech, especially and above all programming, you get a raise by switching jobs, so moving somewhere with only one company around will make things more difficult a year or two later when you're looking to switch.
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Prof. Moriarty posted:New York Senate passes bill that bans short-term apartment listings on Airbnb I've got admit that I didn't anticipate that Airbnb was to follow Uber into legislative oblivion quite this quickly.
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MiddleOne posted:I've got admit that I didn't anticipate that Airbnb was to follow Uber into legislative oblivion quite this quickly. Have you not been paying attention? This was pretty much guaranteed from the moment AirBnB decided they didn't want to play ball with city and state legislatures, and pulled poo poo like trying to comply in letter but not spirit with court orders.
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Cicero posted:Like even if hypothetical tech company presented some good jobs, do I really want to move to an area and potentially settle down where there aren't a bunch of similar jobs in case this one goes south for me? Exactly why employers in nowheresville need to pay more, not less, despite their bullshit beliefs about cost of living. Supply and demand, motherfuckers. It's not just for capital.
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MiddleOne posted:I've got admit that I didn't anticipate that Airbnb was to follow Uber into legislative oblivion quite this quickly. The difference is that AirBnB was just supposed to facilitate gray market rental on an individual scale where nobody cared, but instead it has created a whole new class of rentiers. Even from the most cynical perspective you can predict they're screwed because capitalists are gonna be a lot angrier about firms disrupting real property than they will be about firms disrupting labor.
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There was a similar situation in Toronto to AirBnB about a decade ago. Developers sold (new) condos which could be put into a building hotel pool for daily rentals and people could make mad  .The real catch was those condos would be sold as residential properties (and taxed at residential rates: ~1%), as regular hotel rooms got nailed at commercial rates (~4%). The hotel owners basically told the government that "this will stop, or overnight we're going to convert every hotel building we own into residential condos that we own" in order to save millions in tax payments. The resolution was any unit that had rented in the past got reassessed as a commercial property forever more. Also, the only assessment for property value was as a residential property (ie: much higher per sq ft), so the tax bill was massive for the individual owners. Units dropped in value like 80% overnight. *- http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/toronto-1-king-west-hotel-and-residence-176m-51s-stinson-stanford-downey.637/
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MiddleOne posted:I've got admit that I didn't anticipate that Airbnb was to follow Uber into legislative oblivion quite this quickly. ShadowHawk posted:People emigrating from the state and putting housing inventory on the market will help lower prices, yes. A generation ago when it happened in cities we called it "white flight" and housing prices fell through the floor, allowing poor people to move in. Maoist Pussy posted:Why does it have to be Missouri? Why not Grass Valley or Petaluma or Kelseyville? cheese fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Jun 20, 2016 |
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ShadowHawk posted:People emigrating from the state and putting housing inventory on the market will help lower prices, yes. A generation ago when it happened in cities we called it "white flight" and housing prices fell through the floor, allowing poor people to move in. you can't really compare white flight to anything currently happening in the housing market. prices didn't fall because white people started moving out, prices fell and white people started moving out because black people started moving in. there was a massive financial penalty to owning a house in a 'black neighborhood' such that even reasonably unracist white homeowners would respond to this market pressure by selling, which was exploited by real estate agents who would sell a black family a house in a white neighborhood then go around telling all the whites and offering to buy their homes before the price fell further - also known as blockbusting. we really don't have that same level of racial panic anymore (except with school districts) also at the time there was an enormous boom in cheap housing that sustained itself in many places for decades until recently when we hit an upper limit on suburbanization - not available land but really you can only cram so many people onto major arterials such as interstates and the marginal cost of adding more road capacity is unsustainable. plus that and the rapid development of far flung suburbs lead to political fragmentation that precludes regional development of transit in the same manner as roadways and blah blah blah blah anyway its complicated boner confessor fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Jun 20, 2016 |
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A Man With A Plan posted:Hey now, Kansas City is great. I wouldn't have minded moving back there, except your options for tech work are pretty much Garmin, Sprint, and a few mid-sized corporate focused software dev places. Also google fiber in most of the citt Go for Iowa instead. Google's out in Council Bluffs, and Facebook and Microsoft both have big datacenters in Des Moines. Wells Fargo, Wellmark Blue Cross/Blue Shield, and John Deere hire a lot of IT folks as well. We're a lot less lovely than backwoods Missouri too, despite having the longest serving governor in the country (who's a Repub).
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Liquid Communism posted:Go for Iowa instead. Google's out in Council Bluffs, and Facebook and Microsoft both have big datacenters in Des Moines.
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All right, Fortune 500 enterprise IT, truly state of the art! Only the best .NET devs need apply.
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eschaton posted:Don't forget the horrific racism and general right-wing jackassery in Arizona, I'm pretty sure that drives out plenty of people too. Remember at the start of the thread when someone said the North Carolina was a great place for people to live because the cities are progressively.
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sbaldrick posted:Remember at the start of the thread when someone said the North Carolina was a great place for people to live because the cities are progressively. I think the often-stated idea that you have to live in NY/SF/LA to be able to have a 'peaceful Republican-free existence' is totally stupid. A lot of other major metropolitan areas in the US are great places for progressive-minded people to live and many don't cost an arm and a leg to live there. Sure, if you live in the other cities, you might not be able to participate in the cultural avant-garde, but could you really claim yourself as a member of the avant-garde if you post on this website? silence_kit fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Jun 21, 2016 |
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Yeah, so Detroit, Atlanta, Raleigh (and the research triangle), etc. are incredibly progressive islands in the middle of very red states. If you're looking for liberal culture, you'll do way better in Atlanta than in western Pa.
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Liquid Communism posted:Go for Iowa instead. Google's out in Council Bluffs, and Facebook and Microsoft both have big datacenters in Des Moines. Wells Fargo, Wellmark Blue Cross/Blue Shield, and John Deere hire a lot of IT folks as well. I claim KC as part of Kansas due to backwoods Missouri shittiness. But yeah Des Moines seems nice. However in a perfect example of what the thread is talking about, I live in DC because I do government contracting and that's where the positions are. Though I think there's a better reason for government jobs to be focused around DC than for all new tech companies to try to be in SV. Government tech work is its own huge nexus of shittiness though that we don't need to go into.
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Years ago I moved out to Overland Park for work and lasted three months. Couldn't do it. Back in Austin.
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silence_kit posted:I think the often-stated idea that you have to live in NY/SF/LA to be able to have a 'peaceful Republican-free existence' is totally stupid. A lot of other major metropolitan areas in the US are great places for progressive-minded people to live and many don't cost an arm and a leg to live there. a cool and reasonable response to gay/trans/brown people saying "I'd rather not be in a state that actively denies me civil rights/is cool with me getting murdered"
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Coolness Averted posted:a cool and reasonable response to gay/trans/brown people saying "I'd rather not be in a state that actively denies me civil rights/is cool with me getting murdered" Yes, it is a reasonable response. You are incredibly delusional and probably form your warped view of the world from spending too much time in the many "complain about Republicans" D&D threads if you think that the entire US outside of the Castro or whatever is one giant Klan rally. silence_kit fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Jun 21, 2016 |
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MiddleOne posted:I've got admit that I didn't anticipate that Airbnb was to follow Uber into legislative oblivion quite this quickly. There are more and more studies coming out that indicate that a very significant amount of Airbnb revenue comes from pure commercial operators renting out suites they don't live in, and cities seem pretty interested in shutting that down. For cities such as Vancouver which are experiencing an extremely low vacancy rate, I can definitely imagine a big crackdown. Hard to say how effective that will be though.
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Coolness Averted posted:a cool and reasonable response to gay/trans/brown people saying "I'd rather not be in a state that actively denies me civil rights/is cool with me getting murdered" yeah i guess all those LGBT people who choose to live in red states must just be dumb as hell then because they dont behave like you think they should
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silence_kit posted:I think the often-stated idea that you have to live in NY/SF/LA to be able to have a 'peaceful Republican-free existence' is totally stupid. A lot of other major metropolitan areas in the US are great places for progressive-minded people to live and many don't cost an arm and a leg to live there. The last time someone in this thread (or maybe a predecessor) made the argument you're making it was about North Carolina, and how stupid people were for not moving there. The next day they passed the anti-trans bathroom bill. gently caress your cultural avant-garde. I don't want to live in a blue city subject to the whims of the religious state government when they decide people like me are the next target after they lost the same sex marriage fight. You should move though. That kind of nonsense clearly doesn't affect you and I could do with slightly lower rents and one less straight person who is progressive as a hobby.
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silence_kit posted:Yes, it is a reasonable response. You are incredibly delusional and probably form your warped view of the world from spending too much time in the many "complain about Republicans" D&D threads if you think that the entire US outside of the Castro or whatever is one giant Klan rally. A good chunk of it is allowed to be one giant Klan rally, even if it actively isn't at any particular moment. Living victims of the Orlando nightclub attack could lose their jobs and their apartments as a result of being outed. Doctors are even allowed to refuse to treat them. It's not reasonable to say "I'm sure you'll be fine, it's not like it's a giant Klan rally" when that's the reality some people actually have to loving face.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:yeah i guess all those LGBT people who choose to live in red states must just be dumb as hell then because they dont behave like you think they should There are plenty of reasons to live or not live anywhere, friend. It's not cool to reduce people's motivations to "must be dumb" or "have no concept of the world and just wanna be trendy." DeadlyMuffin posted:The last time someone in this thread (or maybe a predecessor) made the argument you're making it was about North Carolina, and how stupid people were for not moving there. The next day they passed the anti-trans bathroom bill. No it was this thread, and the same silly arguments were brought out complete with meta "  perhaps it is you who is the TRUE bigot " by some of the same people.
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