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How will you be voting in the UKEU Referendum? This poll is closed. |
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| Remain - Keep Britane Strong! |
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328 | 15.40% |
| Leave - Take Are Sovreignity Back! |
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115 | 5.40% |
| Remain - But only because Brexit are crazy |
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506 | 23.76% |
| Leave - But only because the EU is terrible |
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157 | 7.37% |
| Spoiled Ballot - This whole thing is an awful idea |
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61 | 2.86% |
| I'm not going to vote |
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19 | 0.89% |
| I'm not allowed to vote |
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411 | 19.30% |
| Pissflaps |
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533 | 25.02% |
| Total: | 2130 votes | ||
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The EU will never negotiate with anyone who isn't the leader of the government or the finance minister right? Which of two things we as a country sort of don't have right now. So any negotiation will never happen prior to a new PM and article 50 being invoked, right?
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Jun 30, 2016 23:02
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Jose posted:the amount of voters itt who think its fine to ignore the referendum result bothers me It would just be horribly ill advised, unless you actively like riots on the streets, I guess.
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Jun 30, 2016 23:02
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Hoops posted:The EU will never negotiate with anyone who isn't the leader of the government or the finance minister right? Which of two things we as a country sort of don't have right now. So any negotiation will never happen prior to a new PM and article 50 being invoked, right? article 50 apparently requires parliament voting on it so fat chance on that happenig any time soon
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Jun 30, 2016 23:02
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"Gove knifes Boris". I'd consider watching this clip.
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Jun 30, 2016 23:03
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Jose posted:the amount of voters itt who think its fine to ignore the referendum result bothers me I mean it's understandable, it's a really terrible idea, lots of people are still in the bargaining stage.
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Jun 30, 2016 23:03
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CottonWolf posted:It would just be horribly ill advised, unless you actively like riots on the streets, I guess. i don't want brexit, i voted remain, but the fact is that people in totally poo poo situations were given the protest vote to end all protest votes and poo poo they turned out for it. maybe lying to the electorate for years and letting them live in poo poo conditions isn't a good idea
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Jun 30, 2016 23:03
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Jose posted:the amount of voters itt who think its fine to ignore the referendum result bothers me It doesn't bother me because I consider referenda in the UK to be a flawed method of democracy that we should never use. They're an abhorration in a country with parliamentary democracy. Whatever happens isn't going to be a true 'brexit', it'll be a compromise. I just want that compromise to be shifted closer to what we have now.
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Jun 30, 2016 23:04
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Lead out in cuffs posted:"Gove knifes Boris". I'd consider watching this clip. Given that clip of him clapping, I can't imaging him stabbing anything without loving it up.
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Jun 30, 2016 23:04
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Jose posted:the amount of voters itt who think its fine to ignore the referendum result bothers me Voters are loving stupid. That's why representative republics are way better than direct democracies. Britain needs someone with the balls to say "This is stupid and we're not going to do it."
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Jun 30, 2016 23:05
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Guavanaut posted:Dip a hot copper wire in a sample of his blood. Is this an awesome The Thing reference?  SUNKOS posted:How the gently caress has Gove got away with this unscathed? I think it's due to two reasons - firstly that his was not the deciding voice in winning the vote and secondly that he is a 'principled' Brexiteer. Boris was basically pretending to be a Brexiter for larks, bants and personal gain, while also being sufficiently personally popular to swing the electorate, so I think it's natural he gets a greater share of the censure. Oberleutnant posted:Thanks for reading Britain's Road to Fascism Thanks for posting it! I wish some of you lot were in charge of Corbyn's media messaging team.
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Jun 30, 2016 23:05
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Pissflaps posted:It doesn't bother me because I consider referenda in the UK to be a flawed method of democracy that we should never use. They're an abhorration in a country with parliamentary democracy. i'm aware but it happened because cameron is a pigfucker and we have to deal with it
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Jun 30, 2016 23:05
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the only thing worse then Brexit would be not brexiting. you'll get the same result but we'll literally go fascist if we don't do it now
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Jun 30, 2016 23:06
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Jose posted:i'm aware but it happened because cameron is a pigfucker and we have to deal with it Yes, by not doing it.
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Jun 30, 2016 23:07
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Ewan posted:One crucial skill of a leader is to be able to command respect of his peers and constituents (in this sense the PLP), and this is even more critical in the cut-throat world of politics. While I think the MPs seeking to depose him are themselves acting in a horribly destructive and slimy manner (and are helped by a largely anti-Corbyn press), his inability to gain, retain, or regain their respect is in itself enough to show that he is not a credible leader. He has no way to gain, retain, or regain their respect because he is the leader of the Labour party and they are not Labour politicians but rather people that didn't have good enough connections to get decent placing in the Tories so they created a niche of their own on Labour. This isn't about anything he did or about the man himself, it's about his politics. If Julius Caesar himself came down from heaven to lead Labour with that platform they'd still go after him. Corbyn is anathema to them and they know it, it's a battle without quarter from either side.
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Jun 30, 2016 23:07
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Someone has posted Boris's speech on Pornhub under the title "Dumb British blonde fucks 15 million people at once."
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Jun 30, 2016 23:07
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Pissflaps posted:Yes, by not doing it. well, i'd like that but i'm against it is all. unless public support shifts so heavily someone wins a next general election on no brexit with high turn out/vote share
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Jun 30, 2016 23:07
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Oh my god I'm agreeing with Russel Kane (even if he has gone overboard with the hair dye). This QT is going to be awful, the audience is stuffed with racist idiots.
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Jun 30, 2016 23:09
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It's not too late for the Lib Dems to descend as the Remain saviours at the next GE.
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Jun 30, 2016 23:09
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Jose posted:well, i'd like that but i'm against it is all. unless public support shifts so heavily someone wins a next general election on no brexit with high turn out/vote share
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Jun 30, 2016 23:09
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MeLKoR posted:He has no way to gain, retain, or regain their respect because he is the leader of the Labour party and they are not Labour politicians but rather people that didn't have good enough connections to get decent placing in the Tories so they created a niche of their own on Labour. This isn't about anything he did or about the man himself, it's about his politics. If Julius Caesar himself came down from heaven to lead Labour with that platform they'd still go after him. Julius Caesar ?
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Jun 30, 2016 23:10
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Ewan posted:That's basically the Lib Dems' game plan. I don't feel they're making enough of the Tory / Labour chaos though, or more likely the press just isn't giving them much air time as the Tory and Labour news is more interesting. tim farron is every stereotype of a politician given human form that isn't ted cruz. he's creepy and unpleasant
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Jun 30, 2016 23:10
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So is it confirmed that Corbyn won't be able to tear Blair a new rear end in a top hat/appologise on behalf of the party as the leader of Labour/the Opposition at the Chilcot Inquiry thing? That's a thing I'd really like to see.
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Jun 30, 2016 23:10
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Pissflaps posted:Julius Caesar ? I'm guessing it was deliberate  At least I hope so.
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Jun 30, 2016 23:12
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Jose posted:tim farron is every stereotype of a politician given human form that isn't ted cruz. he's creepy and unpleasant I cannot for the life of me comprehend how he beat Norman Lamb for the leadership. I just don't understand what they saw in him.
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Jun 30, 2016 23:12
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brawleh posted:The idea that there's a center - left or right - ground that the party must recapture in order to be electable misses the point. Absolutely. What's needed is a new narrative that a plurality of the electorate can buy into. You get nowhere by being lesser Tories, you need to come up with the ideas that the least bad of them will reluctantly be forced to adopt in 15 years time. Higher wages, freer education, better health care, cheaper housing, fewer wars, easier travel. And you could fund that all 5 times over by simply taking 10% of the savings from not leaving the EU on bad terms.
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Jun 30, 2016 23:12
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lol https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/748601963185463297?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Jun 30, 2016 23:15
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Laradus posted:Given that clip of him clapping, I can't imaging him stabbing anything without loving it up. this makes it much better, he'd be at it for a solid half hour or so, it would never end, making a mess everywhere
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Jun 30, 2016 23:18
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Angepain posted:this makes it much better, he'd be at it for a solid half hour or so, it would never end, making a mess everywhere i misread this badly after watching a mr blobby video
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Jun 30, 2016 23:19
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Pissflaps posted:Julius Caesar ?
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Jun 30, 2016 23:19
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MeLKoR posted:It was the most charismatic historical populist leader I could think of. I can think of some from the 20th century that had plenty of charisma, but you'd not want your country led by them 
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Jun 30, 2016 23:21
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Jose posted:the amount of voters itt who think its fine to ignore the referendum result bothers me It is fine to ignore the referendum result, it should never have been put to a referendum in the first place. Lead out in cuffs posted:Also that chart isn't normalised for population. I suspect the gain from '98 to '04 barely exceeded population growth Population growth was only a couple of mil (less than, even) in this 5 years. Over the course of 1997 to 2010 the public sector workforce grew by 12% while the population grew by 8%.
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Jun 30, 2016 23:22
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Prince John posted:Is this an awesome The Thing reference?
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Jun 30, 2016 23:22
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Jose posted:i misread this badly after watching a mr blobby video originally a discarded line from the first draft of his wife's column
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Jun 30, 2016 23:22
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MeLKoR posted:It was the most charismatic historical populist leader I could think of. Someone no one could accuse of being lame, ineffective or uncharismatic. My point is that they aren't worried that he won't get elected, they are worried he will. You should have gone for Hitler.
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Jun 30, 2016 23:23
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Fans posted:Usually the leader's office just asks the CLP to elect their parachute candidate. It's rare for them to refuse and most CLP's are very small as no one bothers turning up so they're excited enough to even receive the attention. some safe seats and in special measures and are even easier to do this to
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Jun 30, 2016 23:23
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PT6A posted:I can think of some from the 20th century that had plenty of charisma, but you'd not want your country led by them After recent events, I'm sure he'd find a solid niche actually.
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Jun 30, 2016 23:23
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The Lib Dems are irrelevant and will not be relevant outside of The Guardian bubble ever again, they wont make headway whatever position they take because people know they wont follow through with it and Tim Farron looks like hr was made by a third rate independent PR guy who mainly works for small restaurants.
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Jun 30, 2016 23:23
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I unironically had to google who their new leader was the other day.
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Jun 30, 2016 23:27
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Not Operator posted:After recent events, I'm sure he'd find a solid niche actually. To be fair, he probably would've done back in the 30s and 40s too. There were plenty of fascists in the UK before the war.
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Jun 30, 2016 23:27
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Everyone who votes for the liberal democrats in any hypothetical election deserves everything they get. I don't care if they're the only loving party saying no brexit, if they might be able to overturn the referendum with the mandate they'd get (the rest of the parties splitting the brexit votes). If I was in a voting booth and my choice was liberal democrat, ukip or tory i'd spoil my ballot.
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Jun 30, 2016 23:28
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