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Tree Bucket posted:About a page late to the talk show chat, but I have a question that's bugged me for years, and I need an answer that only an American can supply: why does the audience laugh after every line in your talk shows? Are the audiences unusually stupid and happy? Is it a laugh track added later? Is it culturally unacceptable for any phrase not to be met with applause? Help a Southern Hemispheran person out please. The idea is to make it feel like you're watching it with an active audience. It's a cultural relic that only the worst comedies do these days. (Multicam sitcoms, mostly on CBS, a channel for our elderly population.)
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FishBulb posted:The laughing is fake indeed it is, added after the fact not only to talk shows, but also sitcoms; they used to be done in front of a live studio audience (some might still be), but the laughter is pretty much always touched up. Which is why you should never judge a shows funniness until you hear it without the laugh track. For example. Listen carefully to the beginning and end of the sentences; that's rehearsed to accomodate, right there.
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Jul 2, 2016 06:17
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I thought the really big shows still had audiences.
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Jul 2, 2016 06:18
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Spoiler for a 17-year old movie (cause I'm nice like that):The bad guys are the american military murdering the defense secretary to hide that Star Wars doesn't work. They use a terrorist to do this and then there's a speech straight out of the War on Terror two years ahead of schedule. This is brilliant. I also love how Cage goes from Crazy Cage at the start of the movie and then moves gradually to "Normal" Cage as the story progresses. Snake Eyes is good. Watch it.
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Jul 2, 2016 06:20
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Young Freud posted:I thought the really big shows still had audiences. 
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Jul 2, 2016 06:23
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MonsieurChoc posted:Spoiler for a 17-year old movie (cause I'm nice like that):The bad guys are the american military murdering the defense secretary to hide that Star Wars doesn't work. They use a terrorist to do this and then there's a speech straight out of the War on Terror two years ahead of schedule. This is brilliant. I had forgotten/not noticed this but I'm doing a rewatch right now.
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Jul 2, 2016 06:26
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Young Freud posted:I thought the really big shows still had audiences. Some do and some of the cheering is real (they have signs/people to get the crowd active) then everything is enhanced in post. Part of the problem there is the show isn't non-stop, there is a lot of stopping for various things like setting up scenes/lighting/camera/makeup/effects so there is a bunch of down time, and some scenes might be repeated multiple times. Others just create the laughter/applause from thin air with no audience involvement. Most late night shows have audiences, but the less popular ones basically have people in the street trying to pull in randos to fill seats while the more popular ones have huge waiting lists. I haven't paid attention to the latest batch of hosts to know who is popular enough for waiting lists and who isn't any more.
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Jul 2, 2016 06:27
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Honestly, looking at that photo is like looking at those photos of the Saddam statue being toppled. There's a whole lot of duplicate people in that. TBF, I was talking about the big talk shows that had a live studio audience. David Letterman, for example, had the Ed Sullivan theater with applause signs, audience members with tickets, and everything.
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Jul 2, 2016 06:31
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I want to attend a taping of The Price Is Right, get up to the bidding stage, and bid 1 dollar more than the person who bid prior to me. Every single time. I don't even care if I win.
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Jul 2, 2016 06:37
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Young Freud posted:Honestly, looking at that photo is like looking at those photos of the Saddam statue being toppled. There's a whole lot of duplicate people in that. I didn't even notice it until you mentioned it (because I was distracted by the fact that literally everyone was white), but it's really obvious with the guy in the Green Lantern shirt. Like, it's not even an artifact of panorama stitching. The people in front of him are different both times he's in the panorama.  Tree Bucket posted:About a page late to the talk show chat, but I have a question that's bugged me for years, and I need an answer that only an American can supply: why does the audience laugh after every line in your talk shows? Are the audiences unusually stupid and happy? Is it a laugh track added later? Is it culturally unacceptable for any phrase not to be met with applause? Help a Southern Hemispheran person out please. Someone posted this in another thread, and I was actually kinda disturbed by how uproarious the laughter was. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEItc7u_U1I
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Jul 2, 2016 06:45
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Finished Snake Eyes. The ending's pretty great, very noir-ish. Hero lost everything, including his best friend, and the ending credits show a corpse being used to build the new casino while a song tells you there's "Blood on your Hands" and that "You'll never leave Sin City". Cage is really amazing in it. His gradual slide from Crazy to Good Actor is great, and there's one scene in particular I loved where I genuinely felt for the character: the scene in the booth with Gary Sinise trying to buy him. EditL it feels silly using spoiler block for an old movie, but I'm hoping someone who hasn't watched it yet will do so.
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GrandpaPants posted:I didn't even notice it until you mentioned it (because I was distracted by the fact that literally everyone was white), but it's really obvious with the guy in the Green Lantern shirt. Like, it's not even an artifact of panorama stitching. The people in front of him are different both times he's in the panorama. The first one I picked up on was the old man in the olive drab jacket and his wife, mostly because he's in the center of the last photo, but at the edge of the second photo. There's other people who are obscured in one picture like the guy in the Bazinga shirt (next to Green Lantern guy) and the girl in the white running jacket next to her two friends (just under olive drab jacket man) that you can see clearly in another pic. It's a real bad panoramic job, but it also tells me, judging from the angles those photos are shot, that the studio is about the size of a postage stamp. I've been in community theaters that have been larger.
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Jul 2, 2016 07:03
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GrandpaPants posted:I didn't even notice it until you mentioned it (because I was distracted by the fact that literally everyone was white), but it's really obvious with the guy in the Green Lantern shirt. Like, it's not even an artifact of panorama stitching. The people in front of him are different both times he's in the panorama. Oh come on, that's because of perspective.
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Jul 2, 2016 07:44
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Tree Bucket posted:About a page late to the talk show chat, but I have a question that's bugged me for years, and I need an answer that only an American can supply: why does the audience laugh after every line in your talk shows? Are the audiences unusually stupid and happy? Is it a laugh track added later? Is it culturally unacceptable for any phrase not to be met with applause? Help a Southern Hemispheran person out please. Americans clap at nearly everything. It's gotten worse over the years, and I'm not sure why. Most of the time I go to a theater nowadays there's some sporadic clapping once the end credits start up. I don't recall this being the case when I was kid.
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Jul 2, 2016 07:48
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Might have something to do with the fact that most everything now is a sequel, remake, or adaptation. There's already a built in audience, excited and ready to watch. No one's gonna be clapping when The Nice Guys starts. But they clap and scream when the new Harry Potter spinoff movie begins.
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Jul 2, 2016 07:50
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CelticPredator posted:Might have something to do with the fact that most everything now is a sequel, remake, or adaptation. There's already a built in audience, excited and ready to watch.
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Jul 2, 2016 08:27
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Lmao ok.
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Jul 2, 2016 08:30
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A friend of mine once had a Cage themed summer where he watched every Cage movie in release order. Still one of the more interesting movie marathons I've heard of.
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Jul 2, 2016 08:34
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Every time someone mentions laugh tracks I'm compelled to post this. The wire line gets me everytime, laugh track or no laugh track. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXW7Tw7mEMI
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Jul 2, 2016 09:24
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Tars Tarkas posted:Some do and some of the cheering is real (they have signs/people to get the crowd active) then everything is enhanced in post. Part of the problem there is the show isn't non-stop, there is a lot of stopping for various things like setting up scenes/lighting/camera/makeup/effects so there is a bunch of down time, and some scenes might be repeated multiple times. Others just create the laughter/applause from thin air with no audience involvement. Most late night shows have audiences, but the less popular ones basically have people in the street trying to pull in randos to fill seats while the more popular ones have huge waiting lists. I haven't paid attention to the latest batch of hosts to know who is popular enough for waiting lists and who isn't any more. This. If you've ever been to a show taping, you realize that what ends up on TV is the 3rd or 4th take of each scene, when the audience has heard each joke multiple times and is tired after the taping has gone on an extra two hours because of production delays. As an audience member you still try to laugh, but it's really not genuine most of the time. Live studio audiences need to die for anything that isn't a live/late night show.
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Jul 2, 2016 09:33
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKS3MGriZcs The classic
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Jul 2, 2016 09:34
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I kind of want a cop drama to be filmed in front of a live studio audience with a laugh track.
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Jul 2, 2016 09:35
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These are kinda silly since actors are actively responding to the audience and base their timing off of it. But it does show quite clearly how poo poo the writing is.
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Jul 2, 2016 09:41
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I kind of want a cop drama to be filmed in front of a live studio audience with a laugh track. "The Shield is filmed in front of a live! studio! audience!"
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Jul 2, 2016 09:42
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resurgam40 posted:Which is why you should never judge a shows funniness until you hear it without the laugh track. For example. Listen carefully to the beginning and end of the sentences; that's rehearsed to accomodate, right there. I never understood what this clip means to prove or how it is a bad thing that without laughter the whole thing looks awkward. No poo poo does something not work when you take away half of the scene. The reaction of the audience is a integral part of it, for timing and beats. Like in theatre, Late Night shows and live concerts. If you remove the audience reactions from those it would come over weird and without emotion too. Same with removing the background music from certain types of movies. Reframe the scene for a single-camera show and then you might be able to judge if something is funny or not, but these clips aren't saying poo poo about the quality of the joke or show.
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Jul 2, 2016 12:39
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poo poo jokes, poo poo show and the laugh tracks is just manipulation. Removing it lets you focus on what the joke actually is instead of the sound of hundreds of people laughing namaste
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Jul 2, 2016 12:46
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They do use live audiences, but they take the best take, audio mix it to make it more prominent, etc.
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Jul 2, 2016 13:50
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How I Met Your Mother used to record it's laugh track by having an audience watch the finished episode in a cinema.
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Jul 2, 2016 13:56
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PriorMarcus posted:How I Met Your Mother used to record it's laugh track by having an audience watch the finished episode in a cinema. This can't be true, because I can clearly hear laughter on that show.
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Jul 2, 2016 13:59
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Modern sitcoms aren't any better, they just do a cutaway to the character reacting to the joke faux-documentary style or looking at the camera and making a waaacky face so you know you're supposed to laugh. Complaining about there being pauses for laughter in a live performance's delivery is like pointing out guns making clicking noises they don't actually make or that people don't say goodbye before they hang up the phone, you're making the shocking revelation that television isn't real.
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Jul 2, 2016 14:32
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PriorMarcus posted:How I Met Your Mother used to record it's laugh track by having an audience watch the finished episode in a cinema. I've never watched it for this very reason. But if they pulled a M.A.S.H. and put out a version on DVD where you could turn off the laugh track I'd give the first few seasons a whirl.
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Jul 2, 2016 15:06
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The worst is old sitcoms having very special episodes but leaving the laugh track in while the Maytag man tries to rape Gary Coleman, or a home intruder tries to rape Edith Bunker.
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Jul 2, 2016 16:25
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Gonz posted:I want to attend a taping of The Price Is Right, get up to the bidding stage, and bid 1 dollar more than the person who bid prior to me. Every single time. I don't even care if I win. You're America's biggest monster.
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Jul 3, 2016 02:16
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The most jarring ones are watching old Flintstones or Scooby Doo episode that had laugh tracks on them.
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Jul 3, 2016 02:30
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It's interesting because I laughed more at that than I ever have watching the show. There are a couple of amusing bits that would normally get buried under the canned laughter for the dumb unfunny poo poo.
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Jul 3, 2016 03:45
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Casimir Radon posted:The worst is old sitcoms having very special episodes but leaving the laugh track in while the Maytag man tries to rape Gary Coleman, or a home intruder tries to rape Edith Bunker. I dunno, I feel like the idea that you're listening to the laughter of the dead creeps me out more than anything
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Jul 3, 2016 05:10
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If you want to hear horrible laugh tracks, watch the south korean variety program Running Man.
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Jul 3, 2016 05:10
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Dynamo is my favorite
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Jul 3, 2016 05:13
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wyoming posted:You're America's biggest monster. 
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Actually America's biggest monster is King Kong. God rest his soul.
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