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I think the most interesting part of a Groundhog's Day scenario is characters approaching the same or similar event in different ways with knowledge gained from looping (like, what Magnus did at the very beginning), and the least interesting is when it's treated like a quicksave function. So although I liked the puzzle game element I'm more frustrated that this whole arc is already leaning on "I try this, we all died, okay now I try THIS." It's both boring and completely removes the stakes of the story because there's absolutely zero punishment for failure.
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Toxxupation posted:I think the most interesting part of a Groundhog's Day scenario is characters approaching the same or similar event in different ways with knowledge gained from looping (like, what Magnus did at the very beginning), and the least interesting is when it's treated like a quicksave function. So although I liked the puzzle game element I'm more frustrated that this whole arc is already leaning on "I try this, we all died, okay now I try THIS." It's both boring and completely removes the stakes of the story because there's absolutely zero punishment for failure. Well the alternative is every single episode is a loop and the podcast is identical episodes with minor differences for literal years until they get it right.
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Jul 15, 2016 04:47
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I think the best solution would've been not introducing puzzles with lethal failstates (or puzzles that took advantage of its setup, sorta like how the first "puzzle" the group had to solve was getting out of/being prevented from being thrown in jail). I also like it when the puzzle is Majora's Mask-y like figuring out how to do stuff or get to a location faster over a straight up solve or die scenario like this episode was chock full of. Death is the least interesting failure state in this arc over wasting time or being inefficient.
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Jul 15, 2016 04:58
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Toxxupation posted:I think the best solution would've been not introducing puzzles with lethal failstates (or puzzles that took advantage of its setup, sorta like how the first "puzzle" the group had to solve was getting out of/being prevented from being thrown in jail). I also like it when the puzzle is Majora's Mask-y like figuring out how to do stuff or get to a location faster over a straight up solve or die scenario like this episode was chock full of. Death is the least interesting failure state in this arc over wasting time or being inefficient. Griffin isn't going to always hold the time over their heads though (Crystal Kindom had a timer of 20 or so minutes, right?) so he's left with death or explicitly hinting that they can't proceed (like with requiring diamonds) with what they're doing. Hopefully we end up with them approaching situations in completely different/oddball ways to have fun with the format. I'm hoping for a good cop/bad cop style with Cassidy or something.
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Toxxupation posted:I think the best solution would've been not introducing puzzles with lethal failstates (or puzzles that took advantage of its setup, sorta like how the first "puzzle" the group had to solve was getting out of/being prevented from being thrown in jail). I also like it when the puzzle is Majora's Mask-y like figuring out how to do stuff or get to a location faster over a straight up solve or die scenario like this episode was chock full of. Death is the least interesting failure state in this arc over wasting time or being inefficient. I trust Griffin's judgement with regards to this. Note that there was going to be another lethal-failstate puzzle right after the punchcard one, but Griffin cut it on the fly to keep things moving.
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The mines definitely reads as the "dungeon" of the arc that had to be solved at some point. They got to the end but don't have the boss key. Now they explore the town more until they figure out some solution then back to the mine on a final loop for the finale
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Jul 15, 2016 05:55
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Toxxupation posted:I think the best solution would've been not introducing puzzles with lethal failstates (or puzzles that took advantage of its setup, sorta like how the first "puzzle" the group had to solve was getting out of/being prevented from being thrown in jail). I also like it when the puzzle is Majora's Mask-y like figuring out how to do stuff or get to a location faster over a straight up solve or die scenario like this episode was chock full of. Death is the least interesting failure state in this arc over wasting time or being inefficient. I'm sure there will be a decent amount of that but even Groundhog Day had a montage of Phil dying repeatedly with basically nothing else changing from day to day. I haven't seen that Edge of Tomorrow movie but from what I gather it's basically this e: also as a DM, having created a scenario where you can kill your heroes freely, of course he's going to do it. He even kind of has to, the grim reaper dude from CK stated that they'd all died dozens of times, it'd be a plot hole now if they didn't.
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Jul 15, 2016 13:01
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I'm happy that this arc is so ridiculous and cartoonish because TAZ is and always has been a comedy podcast.
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Jul 15, 2016 14:03
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Travis343 posted:Well the alternative is every single episode is a loop and the podcast is identical episodes with minor differences for literal years until they get it right. The Melancholy of Magnus Burnsides: The Endless Hour. Seriously, though, I'm pretty sure after cutting 2 wires and dying, Travis is done trying to Magnus the situation, and there's probably going to be a lot more thought moving forward now that they know what the threat is. I'm really interested to see where they go from here.
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Travis343 posted:I'm sure there will be a decent amount of that but even Groundhog Day had a montage of Phil dying repeatedly with basically nothing else changing from day to day. I haven't seen that Edge of Tomorrow movie but from what I gather it's basically this 1) Yes, it absolutely is. 2) See Edge of Tomorrow.
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Also I feel that this might be the only time we get the deathtrap puzzles just to get a feel for the mines being the final thing we have to do and most of the rest of the arc will be gathering information on what this thing is and how to beat it. Edit: Also yeah, Edge of Tomorrow/Live Die Repeat/All You Need Is Kill is good.
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I'm behind on the podcast, just finishing up the Crystal story arc, but you could build in a loop penalty. Either have the clock running outside the loop (with a deadline) or have the start a little later ever repetition, so taking too many loops to figure something out penalizes you by giving you less time to act on the correct solution.
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Jul 15, 2016 16:17
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Yeah, this feels much more like Edge of Tomorrow than Groundhog Day. I do think I'd like it if Griffin very very quickly recapped the events up to that point each time, but it's a minor complaint. I was impressed by how quickly they figured out the locker puzzle, but I think they may have let one big thing get by them - they keep allowing those first two little bugs to leave the cave through that hole they made in the rockslide! Those things are gonna kill everyone!
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Jul 15, 2016 16:28
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Not sure about those flesh-eating darkness bugs, but the purple worm is apparently a pretty well-known D&D monster. Fanart of it ranges from awesome to incredibly cheesy.
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I watched Live.Die.Repeat/Edge of Tomorrow the night before this latest episode dropped, and I got those vibes big time. Especially how the movie and podcast both cut out previous iterations to save time and for comedy. I will say, the one thing The Eleventh Hour needs is Bill Paxton yelling.
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I thought the Sierra death puzzle dungeon was fun, and to the boys' credit they tried to actually work out the solutions instead of brute-forcing them. Also, the old lady in the void seeming to get more exhausted hinted at greater Narrative Consequences for their repeated loving up. I like that this arc is more overtly game-y.
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misadventurous posted:Also, the old lady in the void seeming to get more exhausted hinted at greater Narrative Consequences for their repeated loving up. That or he didn't feel like coming up with cryptic lines of dialogue for the old lady every single time they died.
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Ignoranus posted:TAZ live show night. Yessss. 50% of the audience is playing pokémon go right now and as a Canadian I'm feeling attacked
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The TAZ live show was fantastic. A few new characters, a few returning characters, a happy-ish ending, and some real funny stuff. Looking forward to y'all hearing it later this year. let's go jeff angel 
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Teddybear posted:The TAZ live show was fantastic. A few new characters, a few returning characters, a happy-ish ending, and some real funny stuff. Looking forward to y'all hearing it later this year.  (Also it was nice to meet you!)
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Stroop There It Is posted:gently caress yes it was awesome. They liked my costume, too. The folks over by me were like "oh poo poo look it's Hurley! dope!"
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Teddybear posted:The TAZ live show was fantastic. A few new characters, a few returning characters, a happy-ish ending, and some real funny stuff. Looking forward to y'all hearing it later this year. Jeff Angel sucks
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Stroop There It Is posted:gently caress yes it was awesome. They liked my costume, too. You and the Garryl cosplayer loving rocked it! The show was a total blast, even with the zero leg room on the mezzanine level and having no idea where to find the merch afterwards it still exceeded every expectation I had. No idea how they're going to keep up that level of quality tomorrow night but I'm psyched to find out. Seriously though Jeff Angel sucks.
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Ursus Veritas posted:You and the Garryl cosplayer loving rocked it! One R. I only say this because I listened to that very episode tonight.
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Ursus Veritas posted:You and the Garryl cosplayer loving rocked it! hosed up of Angus to lie about being an Angel mark
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:hosed up of Angus to lie about being an Angel mark Typical smark, complaining about Jeff Angel on the internet while they sit in the audience wearing their angel wings.
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Confirms my belief that Griffin is genuinely a solid voice actor. Also whoa what is this delightful internet cartoon I had never heard of before.
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misadventurous posted:Confirms my belief that Griffin is genuinely a solid voice actor. Also whoa what is this delightful internet cartoon I had never heard of before. It's a Rooster Teeth. Haven't checked it out because I don't usually like their scripted stuff but the siren song of a McElroy calls to me.
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Teddybear posted:The folks over by me were like "oh poo poo look it's Hurley! dope!" Ursus Veritas posted:You and the Garryl cosplayer loving rocked it! Really wish I could attend the MBMBaM show tonight, I'm sure it's going to be as awesome as last night's live show.
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InspectorCarbonara posted:You can't say there was a Garyl cosplayer and not have any pictures of them. https://twitter.com/TylerRMcNamara/status/754295864240304128
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Augh those costumes rule. I love the Steven fishglobe.
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Did Griffin just put down a lure on the Wilbur Theater Pokestop? Also, Sawbones was pretty fun. It felt like it went by super fast.
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I was probably naive to think that folks would get my joke since you'd have to be there the night before.  Also it's not funny.
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Teddybear posted:I was probably naive to think that folks would get my joke since you'd have to be there the night before.
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