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forbidden dialectics
Jul 26, 2005






Hmmm...I was going to wait for the Classified or HOF version to put under water, but poo poo, maybe I'll just snatch one of these up now. EK already has a water block for it.

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Gray Matter
Apr 20, 2009

There's something inside your head..

As a very budget-conscious gamer currently on a FX-8350 and an HD 7850, is it worthwhile to get something like an R9 380 or R9 380X for <$150 to stave off the upgrade bug for another 2-3 years until a full system rebuild, or is it smarter to just bite the bullet and drop $100 more for a current-gen card? Pretty much the most demanding game I currently play is Shadow of Mordor at 1080p but I plan on buying Overwatch very soon also. I greatly prefer buying new vs used.

e: also my card now is at stock, I haven't tried using the AMD software overclock yet

Gray Matter fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Jul 16, 2016

Raskolnikov
Nov 25, 2003

So I got a 1070 (first time buying a $200+ card in my life) and all my games run wonderfully. Now, I have to ask, besides GTA5 and Doom what will really show this off? The new Tomb Raider is too expensive for me to spring for at the moment.

Raskolnikov fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Jul 16, 2016

Beautiful Ninja
Mar 26, 2009

Five time FCW Champion...of my heart.

Raskolnikov posted:

So I got a 1070 (first time buying a $200+ card in my life) and all my games run wonderfully. Now, I have to ask, besides GTA5 and Doom what will really show this off? The new Tomb Raider is too expensive for me to spring for at the moment.

Witcher 3 is what I bought along with Doom as my showcase games for the 1070.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Raskolnikov posted:

So I got a 1070 (first time buying a $200+ card in my life) and all my games run wonderfully. Now, I have to ask, besides GTA5 and Doom what will really show this off? The new Tomb Raider is too expensive for me to spring for at the moment.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/468700/ :v:

sauer kraut
Oct 2, 2004

Gray Matter posted:

As a very budget-conscious gamer currently on a FX-8350 and an HD 7850, is it worthwhile to get something like an R9 380 or R9 380X for <$150 to stave off the upgrade bug for another 2-3 years until a full system rebuild, or is it smarter to just bite the bullet and drop $100 more for a current-gen card? Pretty much the most demanding game I currently play is Shadow of Mordor at 1080p but I plan on buying Overwatch very soon also. I greatly prefer buying new vs used.

e: also my card now is at stock, I haven't tried using the AMD software overclock yet

The upcoming AMD RX470 promises to be the killer value card you're looking for.

4GB 380 was adequate for FullHD earlier this year, but I'm afraid looking at Tomb Raider etc the writing is on the wall. Anything below 970/390 class performance will simply no longer cut it, not for 2-3 years. I wouldn't pay more than a hundred for one of those.

sauer kraut fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Jul 16, 2016

Seamonster
Apr 30, 2007

IMMER SIEGREICH

sauer kraut posted:

Anything below 970/390 class performance will simply no longer cut it, not for 2-3 years. I wouldn't pay more than a hundred for one of those.

My resale value :smith: :negative: :suicide:

EmpyreanFlux
Mar 1, 2013

The AUDACITY! The IMPUDENCE! The unabated NERVE!

sauer kraut posted:

The upcoming AMD RX470 promises to be the killer value card you're looking for.

4GB 380 was adequate for FullHD earlier this year, but I'm afraid looking at Tomb Raider etc the writing is on the wall. Anything below 970/390 class performance will simply no longer cut it, not for 2-3 years. I wouldn't pay more than a hundred for one of those.

RX470 promises nearly twice the performance of a 270X, so some 20% faster than a 380X. RX460 is supposed to be at ~380 performance according to AMD (they were claiming 1080p30-60 performance). Either way you're going to need a really hot deal to justify a 380X.

Which is kind of baffling when 2304 GCN4 SP = 2816 GCN2 SP, so how does 1024 GCN4 SP = 1792 GCN3 SP? Diminishing returns or just P11 being a smaller die and thus fewer foundry issues? Bandwidth limitations in one and not the other?

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


I just bought into triple 4K monitors. Obviously, there's nothing on the market that can push that at full tilt in the latest games, but I'd like to get as close as possible for under $1k. They support Freesync, but am I right in thinking that AMD can't touch nVidia for $:performance with the 1080?

penus penus penus
Nov 9, 2014

by piss__donald

KillHour posted:

I just bought into triple 4K monitors. Obviously, there's nothing on the market that can push that at full tilt in the latest games, but I'd like to get as close as possible for under $1k. They support Freesync, but am I right in thinking that AMD can't touch nVidia for $:performance with the 1080?

Yeah its the 1080 ... but

fletcher
Jun 27, 2003

ken park is my favorite movie

Cybernetic Crumb

KillHour posted:

I just bought into triple 4K monitors. Obviously, there's nothing on the market that can push that at full tilt in the latest games, but I'd like to get as close as possible for under $1k. They support Freesync, but am I right in thinking that AMD can't touch nVidia for $:performance with the 1080?

Might as well go 1080 SLI right?

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


THE DOG HOUSE posted:

Yeah its the 1080 ... but

Go on...


Oh, if anybody is interested in picking up the same monitors, Massdrop has the same deal I bought them at.

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/lg-27-...y%20Promotional

Gonkish
May 19, 2004

http://quasarzone.co.kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=qn_report&wr_id=3087

Some electronics porn of the XFX 480.

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


Raskolnikov posted:

So I got a 1070 (first time buying a $200+ card in my life) and all my games run wonderfully. Now, I have to ask, besides GTA5 and Doom what will really show this off? The new Tomb Raider is too expensive for me to spring for at the moment.

Tomb Raider is under $38 bux right now on some sites: https://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=riseoftombraider
The Witcher 3 is around $30: https://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=witcheriiiwildhunt
Shadow of Mordor GOTY is mega cheap these days and runs phenomenally on PC: https://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=middleearthshadowofmordorgameofyearedition

I'm replaying Dragon Age: Inquisition as well, which looks stellar with all the settings cranked up. Of those you'll eventually HAVE to get the new Tomb Raider though. Playing it on my 980ti gave me the same feeling I had looking at previews for Quake 3 Arena in Game Informer and thinking, "graphics will never get any better."

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
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bull3964 posted:

That also says some interesting things about stock shortage. Perhaps supply isn't as constrained as we thought and they just really are selling that well.

New Steam May-Jun numbers came in, and the 1080/1070 combined at +0.30% overall share is already more than the 970 at +0.22%.

The meme that the high-end GPU segment is a tiny minority of the market is something that needs to die.

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo

KillHour posted:

Go on...


Oh, if anybody is interested in picking up the same monitors, Massdrop has the same deal I bought them at.

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/lg-27-...y%20Promotional

Eh, I question the value of that monitor. It doesn't hit that range and is only 40Hz - 60 Hz.

To be clear: I think 4K is dumb right now and if you're going to game at that resolution, you want LFC even more so than usual.

Hiowf
Jun 28, 2013

We don't do .DOC in my cave.

Palladium posted:

New Steam May-Jun numbers came in, and the 1080/1070 combined at +0.30% overall share is already more than the 970 at +0.22%.

The meme that the high-end GPU segment is a tiny minority of the market is something that needs to die.

Given that these are the most popular respectively only cards in the segment, that looks like a weird conclusion to me. It's probably the most quickly and often upgrading one, though.

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


Is it really looking like the best clocking GPU is likely to be found on a founders edition?

I can't decide on a founders 1080 with accelero IV extreme or a palit gamerock.

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Jul 16, 2016

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

Palladium posted:

New Steam May-Jun numbers came in, and the 1080/1070 combined at +0.30% overall share is already more than the 970 at +0.22%.

The meme that the high-end GPU segment is a tiny minority of the market is something that needs to die.

At this rate in a mere 55 years these two cards will be the only ones on the market!

Just like any hobby with a high end, it's hard to get out of the echo chamber of constant upgraders and people riding the new hype. The 970 was the value king and its stellar performance appealed to a wider range than most; furthermore it was on the market for a real long time, so it was able to snap up a bunch of people who hadn't upgraded in a while from a few seasonal cycles. Call me if the 1070's absolute market percentage hits 2% by Halloween, until then I'll be rolling my eyes on the altar of dead maymays with the dagger in my hand.

In other news, I'm hoping the RX 480X2 is real. I want to send Raja a fiddle to play while mobos burn.

Prescription Combs
Apr 20, 2005
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wipeout posted:

Is it really looking like the best clocking GPU is likely to be found on a founders edition?

I can't decide on a founders 1080 with accelero IV extreme or a palit gamerock.

From what I've gathered, they boost higher but for shorter periods of time. The AIB cards seem to have better overall performance since they maintain their highest boost clock basically at all times. Also AIB cards run considerably cooler. Would say only get a FE/Blower card if you need the heat leaving out the I/O plate.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


SwissArmyDruid posted:

Eh, I question the value of that monitor. It doesn't hit that range and is only 40Hz - 60 Hz.

To be clear: I think 4K is dumb right now and if you're going to game at that resolution, you want LFC even more so than usual.

I had a 120hz monitor as my last one, and I had a hard time telling the difference between 60 and 120 in games anyways. Maybe I'm just broken. So 1080 is the way to go, even though I'll miss out on freesync?

Taima
Dec 31, 2006

tfw you're peeing next to someone in the lineup and they don't know

Prescription Combs posted:

From what I've gathered, they boost higher but for shorter periods of time. The AIB cards seem to have better overall performance since they maintain their highest boost clock basically at all times. Also AIB cards run considerably cooler. Would say only get a FE/Blower card if you need the heat leaving out the I/O plate.

Source? I honestly do not give a poo poo either way because I got the FE because of the blower, but with all of the speculation being thrown around on this it's like... speculation on speculation based on more speculation on both sides

Eletriarnation
Apr 6, 2005

People don't appreciate the substance of things...
objects in space.


Oven Wrangler

KillHour posted:

I had a 120hz monitor as my last one, and I had a hard time telling the difference between 60 and 120 in games anyways. Maybe I'm just broken. So 1080 is the way to go, even though I'll miss out on freesync?

1080 is far faster than anything AMD is offering or will in the near future, probably twice as fast as the RX480 typically. If you want maximum speed for 4K right now then you need to go Nvidia. It also kind of depends on what games you plan on playing since a 480 might well be able to run older ones at 4K and alright settings, but I don't think it can run new and intensive games anywhere near 60fps at 4K/high.

Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Jul 16, 2016

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!

Eletriarnation posted:

1080 is far faster than anything AMD is offering or will in the near future, probably twice as fast as the RX480 typically. If you want maximum speed for 4K right now then you need to go Nvidia.

Isn't vega going to be aimed at 1080 rumoured to be as soon as October now?

Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Jul 16, 2016

wargames
Mar 16, 2008

official yospos cat censor

Mega Comrade posted:

Isn't vega going to be aimed at 1080? Which is rumoured to be as soon as October now?

No stop, if you say anything remotely positive about amd it summon a rabid FaustQ.

Beautiful Ninja
Mar 26, 2009

Five time FCW Champion...of my heart.

Mega Comrade posted:

Isn't vega going to be aimed at 1080 rumoured to be as soon as October now?

Vega isn't until 2017, yesterday at a event in Korea where they unveiled the RX 460 and 470, it was reiterated that it's a 2017 product, which matches the roadmaps. There was some hope it was getting pushed up, but that dream looks to be dead. As are the wallets of anyone wanting high end graphics cards.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


With that in mind, is there anywhere with aftermarket cards actually in stock, and is there any advantage to getting one with 3 DisplayPort outputs, or is HDMI 2 on par now?

Prescription Combs
Apr 20, 2005
   6

Taima posted:

Source? I honestly do not give a poo poo either way because I got the FE because of the blower, but with all of the speculation being thrown around on this it's like... speculation on speculation based on more speculation on both sides

Have you read the past few pages? There's articles from different sites that have been mentioned.

DonkeyHotay
Jun 6, 2005

Raskolnikov posted:

So I got a 1070 (first time buying a $200+ card in my life) and all my games run wonderfully. Now, I have to ask, besides GTA5 and Doom what will really show this off? The new Tomb Raider is too expensive for me to spring for at the moment.

It's pretty but new tomb raider is truly a god awful game.

Alighieri
Dec 10, 2005


:dukedog:

Raskolnikov posted:

So I got a 1070 (first time buying a $200+ card in my life) and all my games run wonderfully. Now, I have to ask, besides GTA5 and Doom what will really show this off? The new Tomb Raider is too expensive for me to spring for at the moment.

The metro games are still very pretty and are actually good games. http://store.steampowered.com/search/?developer=4A%20GAMES

EmpyreanFlux
Mar 1, 2013

The AUDACITY! The IMPUDENCE! The unabated NERVE!

Mega Comrade posted:

Isn't vega going to be aimed at 1080 rumoured to be as soon as October now?

The rumored 4096SPs would put it roughly around the 1080, based on 480CF performance. If the power consumption scales fairly linearly and it utilizes 8GB HBM2, looking at a TDP of 180-190W is my best guess. Estimated early 2017 (March-May), backed by Hynixs recent HBM2 ramp.

There is also a Vega 11 with an undetermined placement that's recently appeared in OpenCL, which is it's own can of worms on how you'd interpret the coming AMD line up for the 400 series or 500 series. Prevailing theories are; Vega 10 Pro will be RX490, Vega 11 Pro will be RX Fury and XT versions of both will get eaten up for HPC and exascale computing ventures; alternatively, Vega 10 and Vega 11 are 500 series cards with a Polaris refresh in 2017, with current Polaris serving only as an interim solution for a competing product to Pascal. RX490 and RX Fury would then be a dual chip CF monstrosity or MCM-Active Interposer engineering feat.

wargames posted:

No stop, if you say anything remotely positive about amd it summon a rabid FaustQ.

Don't cut yourself on your incredible wit sir, or your ability to type dumb and incorrect poo poo on the internet will be impaired.

Dogen
May 5, 2002

Bury my body down by the highwayside, so that my old evil spirit can get a Greyhound bus and ride

DonkeyHotay posted:

It's pretty but new tomb raider is truly a god awful game.

It's fun the story is just stupid, which, vidyagames

Nick of Time
Mar 18, 2007

Alighieri posted:

The metro games are still very pretty and are actually good games. http://store.steampowered.com/search/?developer=4A%20GAMES

These go on sale frequently - great games, but worth waiting.

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


If you liked TR2013 then the new Tomb Raider is just all of that, except more of it and better. The main story is much weaker, but who can even pay attention to things like plot when TressFX are in play.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

exquisite tea posted:

If you liked TR2013 then the new Tomb Raider is just all of that, except more of it and better. The main story is much weaker, but who can even pay attention to things like plot when TressFX are in play.

The little puzzle tombs are a bit more prominent, which is nice, and there's a dlc that's a neat stay alive in the wilderness mode.

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


Yeah, I got a lot of extra hours out of the Endurance Mode DLC. I think all the other season pass stuff is totally skippable, though.

Dogen
May 5, 2002

Bury my body down by the highwayside, so that my old evil spirit can get a Greyhound bus and ride

exquisite tea posted:

Yeah, I got a lot of extra hours out of the Endurance Mode DLC. I think all the other season pass stuff is totally skippable, though.

Well the extra mission that's part of the game, I think you got that free if you preordered maybe? The Baba Yaga thing. It's good (although not worth 10bux prob)

pigdog
Apr 23, 2004

by Smythe

Beautiful Ninja posted:

Witcher 3 is what I bought along with Doom as my showcase games for the 1070.

I bought Witcher 3 from Steam sale a year ago and saved it until I could upgrade my GPU. It definitely gets my vote, it's a fantastic game in nearly every aspect from graphics to gameplay to writing to voice acting, and contains easily 100+ hours of gameplay (plus two expansions)

Doom is also pretty great technology-wise and can really make use of the card, but gives you 10 hours of shooting and that's it. I don't think it's much of a multiplayer game.

Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
ASK ME ABOUT HOW HUMAN LIVES THAT MADE VIDEO GAME CONTROLLERS ARE WORTH MORE
Lipstick Apathy
Hey, if I do get 4k and want to game with it at 1080p, can I do anything in AMD or NVidia control panel to force integer scaling instead of having the monitor do sloppy-rear end interpolation?

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objects in mirror
Apr 9, 2016

by Shine
So are the 480 and the gtx 970 basically equivalents?

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