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lohli posted:
If it's anything like homeopathic medicine it will actually get more potent.
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Shanghaied posted:Truth, something like 60% of the federal budget goes to security and defence. It's more like the federal government is the billing department of the DoD.
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Jul 17, 2016 21:08
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Bell_ posted:A bit more than half that, which is still a hell of a lot. im sure its more if you factor in "stealth" military funding, like NASA
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Jul 17, 2016 21:10
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The f-35 program cost could pay for free college for everyone for 25 years lol
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Jul 17, 2016 21:13
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This sounds like a detailed rundown of what had happened with the coup attempt...
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Jul 17, 2016 21:19
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ethanol posted:The f-35 program cost could pay for free college for everyone for 25 years lol Colleges don't kill marines
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Jul 17, 2016 21:22
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steinrokkan posted:Colleges don't kill marines Marines kill themselves in college
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Jul 17, 2016 21:24
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Either with slow alcohol related diseases or depression
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Jul 17, 2016 21:25
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I would have thought it was because most Marines don't have much going on upstairs and the act of learning killed them. No disrespect to the other 3 branches or the Coast Guard.
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Jul 17, 2016 21:27
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steinrokkan posted:Colleges don't kill marines
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Wikkheiser posted:A godless college professor tried to kill the burning heart of freedom inside a Marine who is a friend of mine. But you know what that Marine did? That Marine stood up, walked over and suplexed the professor into the carpet like a WWE move. And the entire classroom stood up and cheered. ah yes, "John Cena goes to college" was my favorite movie
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Jul 17, 2016 21:38
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Bell_ posted:A bit more than half that, which is still a hell of a lot. Well, it depends mainly on whether you are talking about the overall federal budget or just discretionary spending: basically 2/3 of the US budget is mandatory spending that has to be spent whether you want to or not, things like Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare (which are funded by their own separate payroll taxes), and the cost of interest for government debt. When it comes to discretionary spending (the "budget" that Congress actually votes on each year), yeah, nearly 60% goes to defence.
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Jul 17, 2016 21:38
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Wikkheiser posted:A godless college professor tried to kill the burning heart of freedom inside a Marine who is a friend of mine. But you know what that Marine did? That Marine stood up, walked over and suplexed the professor into the carpet like a WWE move. And the entire classroom stood up and cheered. And that marine's name was Albert Einstein.
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Jul 17, 2016 21:39
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if you think about it as a massive socialist jobs program it makes it a bit more palatable as a bonus saying that is a great way to troll conservatives
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Jul 17, 2016 21:41
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Moridin920 posted:if you think about it as a massive socialist jobs program it makes it a bit more palatable then it begs the question why the left hates it so much 
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Jul 17, 2016 21:42
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:then it begs the question why the left hates it so much it's hilariously inefficient in terms of dollars spent vs economic/GDP gains, partially because there's so much graft going on in the higher levels because of the revolving door between the Pentagon and big military-industry contractors
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Jul 17, 2016 21:44
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im sure in your capitalist imperium the defense industry is spending that hard earned cash on their assembly technician's kid's college and not some CEOs second house in the hamptons
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Jul 17, 2016 21:44
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Moridin920 posted:it's hilariously inefficient in terms of dollars spent vs economic/GDP gains so par for the course for any government program 
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Shanghaied posted:Well, it depends mainly on whether you are talking about the overall federal budget or just discretionary spending: basically 2/3 of the US budget is mandatory spending that has to be spent whether you want to or not, things like Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare (which are funded by their own separate payroll taxes), and the cost of interest for government debt. When it comes to discretionary spending (the "budget" that Congress actually votes on each year), yeah, nearly 60% goes to defence. its cool that probably 50% of the US budget every year comes from the incredibly regressive payroll tax 
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:then it begs the question why the left hates it so much You can use the manpower and resources on useful things that will feed back into the society that created them or on the hi-tech equivalent of paying one team to level out the dirt pile you paid the other team to build.
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:so par for the course for any government program no actually if you look at the numbers the other social programs result in much larger gains plus there's no revolving door like there is in the military industry
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Jul 17, 2016 21:46
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Moridin920 posted:no actually if you look at the numbers the other social programs result in much larger gains Even revolving doors of capital would be tolerable if in the end there wasn't a wastage of limited means of production on an astronomical scale.
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Jul 17, 2016 21:48
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steinrokkan posted:You can use the manpower and resources on useful things that will feed back into the society that created them yes, we never use the national guard to help out with disasters or anything Moridin920 posted:no actually if you look at the numbers the other social programs result in much larger gains so you're saying there is a bunch of corruption in washington going on? I bet you're voting for trump you fascist
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Rutibex posted:im sure its more if you factor in "stealth" military funding, like NASA NASA funding is something under 1% of the US budget. Though undoubtedly some hilarious amount of that is spent on maintaining all the "space systems test facilities" that certainly aren't used for assembling and launching spy planes/satellites and weapons testing. No sir.
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Jul 17, 2016 21:49
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:yes, we never use the national guard to help out with disasters or anything Limited military is necessary, so is the Coastal Guard, but things like the F-35 are a different thing entirely, no? And producing tanks that aren't needed in TOEs and go straight from the factory into a glorified scrap heap.
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steinrokkan posted:Even revolving doors of capital would be tolerable if in the end there wasn't a wastage of limited means of production on an astronomical scale. yeah i mean im a realist there's always gonna be some kickbacks and graft but lol at the military industry
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steinrokkan posted:Limited military is necessary, so is the Coastal Guard, but things like the F-35 are a different thing entirely, no? And producing tanks that aren't needed in TOEs and go straight from the factory into a glorified scrap heap. fundamentally our entire military is designed to funnel money to places OUTSIDE of the united states. The hundreds of billions we spend on fuel alone to stay in the middle east is staggering. Then you look at weapon programs that literally serve no purpose of defense, only offense, and that we are still stuck in the cold war mindset of "we always have to anticipate secret projects from other countries." You could build a bridge in the middle of death valley, tear it down, and then do that process one hundred more times, and you approach the efficiency of the F35 program.. except at least the labor paid to build the bridges would spend that money in america, as opposed to lockheed martin stock holders who move it offshore as soon as possible. coolskillrex remix fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Jul 17, 2016 |
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Jul 17, 2016 21:56
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is something besides soldiers being executed happening in Ankara or is this poo poo show done
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Jul 17, 2016 21:57
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coolskillrex remix posted:fundamentally our entire military is designed to funnel money to places OUTSIDE of the united states. The hundreds of billions we spend on fuel alone to stay in the middle east is staggering. Then you look at weapon programs that literally serve no purpose of defense, only offense, and that we are still stuck in the cold war mindset of "we always have to anticipate secret projects from other countries." yeah pretty much this exactly
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coolskillrex remix posted:fundamentally our entire military is designed to funnel money to places OUTSIDE of the united states. The hundreds of billions we spend on fuel alone to stay in the middle east is staggering. Then you look at weapon programs that literally serve no purpose of defense, only offense, and that we are still stuck in the cold war mindset of "we always have to anticipate secret projects from other countries." Amen
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Jul 17, 2016 22:03
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Pon de Bundy posted:is something besides soldiers being executed happening in Ankara or is this poo poo show done Apparently all is quiet in Ankara but the purging of high ranking officers continues, and Kerry said he would entertain an extradition request for Gulen.
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Jul 17, 2016 22:07
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yeah but he said they need to show some concrete evidence gulen was involved that the state department could justifiably act on before any extradition
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Jul 17, 2016 22:08
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Jul 17, 2016 22:27
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They're just gonna purge anyone with any sort of ideological difference and institute a bunch of penal reforms. They probably won't bring back the death penalty (so they can show how mature and EU-suitable they are) and a few hundred people will just disappear instead.
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Jul 17, 2016 22:29
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only thing that can stop Erdogan is the Mongol Horde once again raise the banners of the Golden Horde, we ride
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Jul 17, 2016 22:31
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lohli posted:Apparently all is quiet in Ankara but the purging of high ranking officers continues, and Kerry said he would entertain an extradition request for Gulen. Among those arrested are ten judges on the Council of State (AKA Supereme Administrative Court) and two judges of the Constitutional Court, all of whom have, at least in theory, full legal immunity as high officers of the judiciary. But Erdogan is having none of that. We are basically in full extra-judicial purge mode now.
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goatface posted:They're just gonna purge anyone with any sort of ideological difference and institute a bunch of penal reforms. They probably won't bring back the death penalty (so they can show how mature and EU-suitable they are) and a few hundred people will just disappear instead. I don't think Erdogan cares about rapprochement with the EU anymore. He's been trying to make favorable deals with Russia and Syria following the whole bomber shootdown debacle (including apparently killing the pilot just recently). The only people he's answerable to is himself.
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Jul 17, 2016 22:38
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Lastgirl posted:only thing that can stop Erdogan is the Mongol Horde once again the coup would have succeeded if they had more horse archers
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Jul 17, 2016 22:38
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Shanghaied posted:Among those arrested are ten judges on the Council of State (AKA Supereme Administrative Court) and two judges of the Constitutional Court lol there's no way those people had poo poo all do to with anything
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Lastgirl posted:only thing that can stop Erdogan is the Mongol Horde once again The last thing Erdogan needs is more Altaic allies.
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