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SuperDucky posted:If Beyond had only had the opening ten and closing ten minutes, it would have been okay. What utter poo poo otherwise. I'd rather go rewatch Nemesis. Ouch, don't cut yourself on that edge 
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Sodomy Non Sapiens posted:It's me. I'm the guy who actually quite likes the Discovery design. When I squint my eyes and try to imagine it with better rendering I can see how it may not be THAT bad. I actually like what they're doing with that groove in the saucer. The stardrive is ugly as gently caress, though, no way around it. My theory now is that the nod to lost 70's-era Trek design is because they're setting it in that particular lost era: post 5-year-mission, pre-TMP.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:My theory now is that the nod to lost 70's-era Trek design is because they're setting it in that particular lost era: post 5-year-mission, pre-TMP. I've always wanted Xon, but his whole thing got transplanted to Data so I'm not sure how much a retread of Data would be all that entertaining. What I really want is Arex and the cat girl.
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Jul 24, 2016 16:05
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SuperDucky posted:Jesus you loving nerds, I'm frankly shocked at all the love Beyond is getting. Especially because they tried to go to warp explicitly and immediately after the goddamn deflector had been destroyed. Wow look at this nerd who doesn't know about the auxiliary deflector in the primary hull.
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Jul 24, 2016 16:37
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I reinstalled ST: Bridge Commander with Kobayashi Maru mod. First thing I did was engage a couple of Galor class in an Exelsior. Destroyed one, and the other surrendered. ...I kept firing, and it launched escape pods. I spent two whole minutes zapping the poor helpless Cardassians with my phasers.  Maybe Starfleet isn't for me. Does anyone play this at all? Wouldn't mind doing some multiplayer.
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Jul 24, 2016 16:49
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Kirk sure did take his loving time sounding abandon ship though.
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Jul 24, 2016 16:49
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I have to say after playing KSP I'm really impressed at how gracefully the Enterprise failed. Coming in at Mach 15 with holes in the hull and it's still in one piece at the end, and some systems even work? That's the kind of engineering that builds sufficiently advanced mega structures.
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Jul 24, 2016 16:56
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Falken posted:First thing I did was engage a couple of Galor class in an Exelsior. Destroyed one, and the other surrendered. Captain Maxwell? Is that you?
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Jul 24, 2016 16:57
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This thing is absurd looking and I love it Fighters are always neat. We never see CAS in any Trek do we?
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Jul 24, 2016 16:57
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Subyng posted:Better than the alternative. Besides, given how warp drive is supposed to work, you shouldn't actually need the deflector for that purpose. I'm shocked because it was awful.
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Jul 24, 2016 17:00
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SuperDucky posted:I'm shocked because it was awful. Care to elaborate at all?
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Jul 24, 2016 17:21
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There is no "quantum flux". There's no "auxiliary". THERE'S NO GODDAMNED SHIP. You got it?
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Care to elaborate at all? My initial reaction after watching: quote:If Beyond had only had the opening ten and closing ten minutes, it would have been okay. What utter poo poo otherwise. I'd rather go rewatch Nemesis. It'd be one thing if it was fan service. It'd be one thing if it was an action movie. It'd be one thing if it was a Star Trek movie. It'd be one thing if it was trying to introduce the new series cogently. It failed at all of those missions because there are too many cooks in the kitchen. You can't have CBS and Bad Robot and Justin Lin and Simon Pegg trying to make the same movie.
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Jul 24, 2016 18:02
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SuperDucky posted:I'm shocked because it was awful. Actually, it's good.
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I just came back from seeing Beyond, mostly so I could start clicking spoiler bars in this thread. I liked it! When I realized that they were weaponizing "Sabotage" to kill the swarm I got a big ol grin on my face. It actually made the trailer better in retrospect. I also teared up a bit when Spock found that photo of the old crew. SuperDucky posted:It'd be one thing if it was fan service. It'd be one thing if it was an action movie. It'd be one thing if it was a Star Trek movie. It'd be one thing if it was trying to introduce the new series cogently. It failed at all of those missions because there are too many cooks in the kitchen. You can't have CBS and Bad Robot and Justin Lin and Simon Pegg trying to make the same movie. Saying you'd rather "rewatch Nemesis" is some harsh loving words though.
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Jul 24, 2016 18:13
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SuperDucky posted:My initial reaction after watching: 
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Jul 24, 2016 18:16
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STB opened around $60 million, which is I think slightly above what the studio expected
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Jul 24, 2016 18:17
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SuperDucky posted:My initial reaction after watching: It succeeded at all of those things except trying to introduce the new series, which wasn't even an objective because CBS's new series has nothing to do with Paramount's movie franchise.
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Jul 24, 2016 18:18
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FlamingLiberal posted:STB opened around $60 million, which is I think slightly above what the studio expected I read it was projected at $55 million.
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Jul 24, 2016 18:20
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FlamingLiberal posted:STB opened around $60 million, which is I think slightly above what the studio expected It's sadly quite a bad performance in the scheme of previous Trek openings but what can you do.
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You're saying you can't have a studio, a production company, a writer, and a director all trying to make the same movie Because I got some news for ya
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It's kinda hilarious and hosed that I watched Beyond and saw how amazing and cool Yorktown station looked, then saw the Discovery footage and saw the complete polar opposite. Also yeah, I did notice they tried to warp out after they broke the navigational deflector, but it didn't bother me that much because I'm not diagnosed with autism
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Jul 24, 2016 18:40
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Falken posted:This thing is absurd looking and I love it In my opinion the Wasp there looks better than any other ship we've seen in Trek. It actually looks like a real spaceship might look in the future. As for the fighters? That's not what Trek is about.
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Thom12255 posted:It's sadly quite a bad performance in the scheme of previous Trek openings but what can you do.
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SuperDucky posted:My initial reaction after watching: Actually, it succeeded at all of those things. The fan service was subtle, the production design was drenched in 60's aesthetics, the action was solid and coherent, and the overall tone and themes are par for the course for Star Trek films. And you absolutely can have Pegg, Lin, and Paramount trying to make the same film, because that's how films are made. Movies are massive collaborations between hundreds of individuals and dozens of teams, culminating in a single finished product.
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Jul 24, 2016 18:49
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Apollodorus posted:As for the fighters? That's not what Trek is about. Even combat focused, Trek uses space as a naval allegory. You don't have fighters for the same reason you don't have little one seater boats zooming around enemy battleships with machine guns lobbing grenades onto the deck.
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Jul 24, 2016 18:50
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Gammatron 64 posted:It's kinda hilarious and hosed that I watched Beyond and saw how amazing and cool Yorktown station looked, then saw the Discovery footage and saw the complete polar opposite. Actually you can go to warp without the defector but if you run into debris you'll gently caress up your hull right quickly, I remember this from one of the few good episodes of Voyager
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Gammatron 64 posted:It's kinda hilarious and hosed that I watched Beyond and saw how amazing and cool Yorktown station looked, then saw the Discovery footage and saw the complete polar opposite. The Yorktown stuff was great and I'm premptively angry at every nerd who doesn't like it because it should look more like DS K-7 or mushroom shaped Earth Spacedock or Regula One or some other boring assemblage of metal tubes.
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Jul 24, 2016 18:57
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CAS also don't really make sense when you don't have a horizon to project power over.
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Orbital Support makes sense, and has probably happened in some episodes. The only one I can think of was Kirk ordering a phaser strike on the Hippy Planet's Computer God tho.
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Gammatron 64 posted:It's kinda hilarious and hosed that I watched Beyond and saw how amazing and cool Yorktown station looked, then saw the Discovery footage and saw the complete polar opposite. If all we have to look forward to is triangle ship and asteroid bases then the new Trek is going to be fairly disappointing. There is nothing awe-inspiring about that and its boring. They need to follow the example of Beyond and do new crazy things. Who knows, maybe they are. In that case, why did they show us this boring badly made teaser and not concept art for some actual fun stuff?
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Maybe the Discovery people deliberately released a piece of poo poo teaser to lower everyone's expectations, much like the first Beyond trailer.
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Cardassia Prime was very nearly eradicated by orbital bombardment.
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The last time I remember being really impressed by a space station like Yorktown was actually the Spacedock from Star Trek 3
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Since the Culture books seem borderline unfilmable I was grateful for provably my only chance to see an Orbital on the big screen.
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I was trying to figure out why the beginning of the Discovery video seemed to be a nod to 2001, then I remembered the ship in that movie was named discovery. Does this mean the new trek will be heavily 2001 inspired like TMP?
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Tighclops posted:The last time I remember being really impressed by a space station like Yorktown was actually the Spacedock from Star Trek 3 Ugh, I hate that giant space mushroom (much like I hate almost all of ILM's Trek designs).
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Tighclops posted:Actually you can go to warp without the defector but if you run into debris you'll gently caress up your hull right quickly, I remember this from one of the few good episodes of Voyager If we go with the idea that warp drive works by moving space itself, then you wouldn't need a deflector for warp because the relative velocity of everything inside the warp bubble is zero.
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Allen_Aldo posted:... Dear sweet Squire of Gothos I hope not.
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Timby posted:Ugh, I hate that giant space mushroom (much like I hate almost all of ILM's Trek designs). I don't mind it, but it doesn't make much sense. What happens when you build a ship wider than the doors? Suddenly your huge gently caress-off spacedock isn't compatible with the newest ships.
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