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CoolCab posted:Dikto is also mostly responsible for The Question (Mr A was actually more like an attempt to create a Question that didn't have to comply with the restrictive Comics Code Authority). Rorschach is actually sort of a parody of Question, or, Question with the objectivist philosophy taken to it's logical extreme; a homeless vigilante with serious mental issues who murders criminals. When asked about this, Ditko said that Rorschach was "like Mister A, except Rorschach is insane." The Question actually became a more reasonable character after DC acquired him:  Cythereal posted:Can't be, the Punisher's signature villains are all white. 
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Somfin posted:I get that, but the idea of the mob demanding that the future of someone else's character be subject to their veto gives me loving chills. Anyway, people saw something they didn't like and said they didn't like it. Thus has it been since the dawn of time. The complaints didn't even do anything this time, so I'm not sure what the problem is?
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Fulchrum posted:Mr. Fantastic. He's a tyrannical rear end in a top hat who treats his close friends like poo poo, even calling his most loyal friend a thing, constantly invades and fucks around in a sovereign countries business, refuses to share any of his advantages or advancements with the world, and thinks his wife shouldn't be allowed to talk. And after all that the fucker had the gall to name himself Mr. Fantastic. That was my thought but I didn't know enough comic books to really say for sure. Everything I got from Mr. Fantastic was that he was a stretchy John Galt who would use his fantastic inventions to keep the world he lives on from blowing up if only because he lives there but wouldn't use them to help starving people. That and Ted Cruz looks like what happens if you put a stretchy, plastic rubber man in the microwave for a couple minutes, so you know there's overlap between his supporters and a literal rubber man. 
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Somfin posted:Why the gently caress did people get so angry about that poo poo? You're being a bit melodramatic here, and kind of unfair. I think most people realized it was a gimmick and would be undone. But Captain America was a symbol of anti-fascism created by Jews during WWII. It's not that people didn't understand it was a gimmick, it's that they knew right away it was a gimmick. They were using an obvious cheap trick to gin up attention, but they did it with a character whose identity was personally important to a lot of people. Also, "thought police?" Come on, that's just silly. And was it really an example of "creativity" to say "hey, what if the good guy turned bad!" http://panels.net/2016/05/26/on-steve-rogers-1-antisemitism-and-publicity-stunts/ Edit: On the other hand, in this way it is kind of funny. When racist readers demanded the white Cap come back: Nick Spencer posted:If you’re liking what we’re doing in Captain America: Sam Wilson, with a more topical, of-the-moment take, we’ve got a lot more of that coming your way; but if you’re looking for that classic, timeless version, the one that’s steeped in the Greatest Generation with Cap fighting the face of true evil, now we’ve got that for you as well. … The country is as divided as it’s ever been, and Steve is one of a kind; he’s a unifying figure, someone we can all look up to, [and] someone we can all put our faith in. He's trolling the poo poo out of them by basically saying "you want Cap to be Donald Trump, right? Okay, here's your Nazi Cap." http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/204647/nazi-captain-america Alhazred posted:The Question actually became a more reasonable character after DC acquired him: What is the context of this? I mean, I get the out-of-universe joke, but in-universe, who is Rorschach? Is Watchmen a comic book in the DC universe? On the one hand, those are some pretty racist drawings, but on the other hand, that last line is pretty funny to me. Jurgan fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Jul 31, 2016 |
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Cythereal posted:Can't be, the Punisher's signature villains are all white. You're forgetting Barracuda. The villain whose entire description can be summed up as 'big scary black man'. Whose backstory is that he's a military badass who got his start as a bad dude by running a drug trafficking ring of his own during the Contra affair, so even though he's a military guy it's only so they can go 'oh, he's a drug dealer and always has been'.  He has gold teeth that say "gently caress" on top and "YOU" on bottom. He's awful. Of course, he's one of the few guys who actually comes back for some admittedly great fights against Punisher time and again- because, being a big scary black person, such things as a knife or numerous gunshot wounds don't stop him in the least. Fun fact: he was once hired to kill Eminem by a group called the Parents Music Council. Which is exactly the type of group you think it is. Comics are dumb y'all  Speaking of, what's the general consensus on full-length politicomics? KaosMachina fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Jul 31, 2016 |
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MechaCrash posted:Nobody told whoever was writing this that thanks to a series of movies, Captain America (and related dudes) has kind of moved outside of the insular audience familiar with this kind of thing, and without that background knowledge to provide that vital context, the entire thing just looks absolutely loving awful. I was working a Con when it dropped, and kept getting asked by lifetime nerds "What do you think about them making Captain America a Nazi!?" That phrasing, every time. Like they fully expected it to be part of the character from now on. And whenever I said "It's probably a wizard curse or time cube or some poo poo" they would go "I dunno, maaan..." People who had been consuming genre media, including comics, for decades. It was surreal. CoolCab posted:Rorschach is actually sort of a parody of Question, or, Question with the objectivist philosophy taken to it's logical extreme; a homeless vigilante with serious mental issues who murders criminals. When asked about this, Ditko said that Rorschach was "like Mister A, except Rorschach is insane." Rorschach was originally supposed to be the Question when Watchmen was going to be about those characters, then DC decided to incorporate them into the main universe so they had to become (somewhat) different characters, etc... watchmenbackstory.txt Epic High Five posted:The best super hero for conservatives would probably be Iron Man, or Thanos Wikipedia posted:In 1963, Lee had been toying with the idea of a businessman superhero.[5] He wanted to create the "quintessential capitalist", a character that would go against the spirit of the times and Marvel's readership.[6] Lee said, After The War fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Jul 31, 2016 |
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KaosMachina posted:You're forgetting Barracuda. The villain whose entire description can be summed up as 'big scary black man'. Whose backstory is that he's a military badass who got his start as a bad dude by running a drug trafficking ring of his own during the Contra affair, so even though he's a military guy it's only so they can go 'oh, he's a drug dealer and always has been'. True, but Punisher's classical villains are the mob - mainly the Italians and Irish. If he has an archenemy, it's Jigsaw - another white dude. Ditto other villains like Bushwhacker and the Russian. Frank kills black people, sure, but his best-known enemies are white.
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Jurgan posted:What is the context of this? I mean, I get the out-of-universe joke, but in-universe, who is Rorschach? Is Watchmen a comic book in the DC universe? Yeah, Watchmen was a comic in DC at the time. The Question is a Zen Buddhist in DC and they had an issue where he read Watchmen as a joke. He decided he would try to be more like Rorschach to be tougher on crime before he got his rear end kicked. Also, Punisher has always been the conservative hero. Just check out this article from an 80's Punisher trade when Punisher first became popular: 
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I have no idea who that is in the last panel, but I get a "Jo-Jo's bizarre adventure" vibe.
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Moon Slayer posted:Donald Trump got stuck in an elevator and needed to be rescued by the fire department. Could this be the "Mitt Romney's dog" of 2016? quote:“So I have to tell you this. This is why our country doesn’t work,” Trump said from the stage at his Friday rally, which began nearly an hour late as a result of the mishap. “We have plenty of space here. We have thousands of people outside trying to get in. And we have a fire marshal that said, ‘Oh we can’t allow more people.’ Uhhh Is this for real or some kind of joke article? Is Trump explicitly an elaborate performance artist? I don't understand.
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Nihilarian posted:I mean, it's not his character either ~*My first amendment right to freedom from criticism*~.
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Jurgan posted:
Yes, Question read Watchmen and decided to try Rorschach's crime fighting style. It resulted in him immediately getting beat up, captured, and nearly killed before he was rescued by one of his friends. This was the '80s run of The Question, the first one after Ditka which radically altered the character's philosophy. Originally, Watchmen was going to have The Question and Captain Atom and some other characters that DC had just acquired by purchasing Charlton Comics, but they decided not to let Moore use them for a one-off series. So at first Question was proto Rorschach, then he was actually Rorschach, then he pretended to be Rorschach and almost died. Comics are fun.
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Epic High Five posted:Is it time for another round of conservatives dance around the fact that Captain America is a tree hugging anti-nationalism anti-flag worship hippie who went rogue because of not-Nixon's scandals and preaches tolerance and that the strength of America is in its diversity? 
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Kajeesus posted:Uhhh I also need to know if Trump is literally too dumb to realise that every single public place in the Western world has a maximum amount of allowed people at the time, as dictated by the local fire departments.
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Given that the most memorable moment of the convention was a Muslim couple talking about how their son died and how Trump unfairly treats all Muslims as unamerican, this is really bad.
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BigglesSWE posted:I also need to know if Trump is literally too dumb to realise that every single public place in the Western world has a maximum amount of allowed people at the time, as dictated by the local fire departments. Here it is in the Denver Post, so it does appear to be true. Maybe Trump knows about fire codes, or maybe he doesn't. The point is that Trump perceived something he wanted, and someone told him he couldn't have it. As far as he's concerned this is the only thing that matters. He truly, literally has the emotional maturity of a two-year-old.
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Cloud Potato posted:Observer: goddamnit Riddell how can a guy so good at everything else still be so bad at labels
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I'm going to skip the 'You're not Calvin and Hobbes' to say look at that loving white void. Christ. EDIT: I did a quick cut to see and about 66% of that is is just white void. World Famous W fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Jul 31, 2016 |
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Why do I have the feeling Tinlsey uses the same detergent his mother used? Who the gently caress has colors bleeding in their laundry these days?
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TheBigAristotle posted:Why do I have the feeling Tinlsey uses the same detergent his mother used? Who the gently caress has colors bleeding in their laundry these days? Also wouldn't the commie bastard be perfectly happy with that outcome, the pinko scum?
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TheBigAristotle posted:Why do I have the feeling Tinlsey uses the same detergent his mother used? Who the gently caress has colors bleeding in their laundry these days? Look at Mr. Fancypants too good for cheap towels from China.
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IDGI, they talked about Trump a lot. 
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Apple Pie Hubbub posted:
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Color bleeding happened to me once.I left a pen inside a pocket
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Just keep telling yourself it's whiny "progressives" that are complaining about everything and calling for bans. Also it's a pet peeve of mine when cartoonists use nothing but thought balloons for characters that actually can speak. 
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Why would she put her initial price way over to the left side of the box??
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World Famous W posted:I'm going to skip the 'You're not Calvin and Hobbes' to say look at that loving white void. Christ. Also when C&H did this the joke was that Calvin's opinions are not something anyone would want, much less pay for, if I'm remembering the strip right. That is, the joke was on his sense of self-importance and not "why won't people agree with me".
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Epic High Five posted:The best super hero for conservatives would probably be Iron Man, or Thanos The best hero for conservatives is Lobo, except taken in complete seriousness.
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Judge Dredd, obviously, he's tough on crime and he won the Cold War through widespread use of ICBM's. Though he later started championing the rights of mutants and fought against segregation and anti-immigrant policies so I guess they wouldn't like him either.
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Hey Allie, here's how you do the "cute kid is selling something they shouldn't be with an overturned box" bit.     Granted, this approach will require you to "tell jokes" instead of the "having my PoC Republican character mourn the death of the discourse" thing you're doing, but I think you'll find you get much better results with the former!
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Mallard Filmore is just this constant cycle of "Ugh, never mind, go back to the previous bit this new one is even worse."
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Literally the business plan of Trump University
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TheBigAristotle posted:Why do I have the feeling Tinlsey uses the same detergent his mother used? Who the gently caress has colors bleeding in their laundry these days? Bright reds still bleed like crazy.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Bright reds still bleed like crazy.
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KillerJunglist posted:Just keep telling yourself it's whiny "progressives" that are complaining about everything and calling for bans.
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