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Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006
there were some pretty dumb people who thought arm was gonna be a thing outside mobile because apple was using it for iphones. it was pretty lol.

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Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

Shaggar posted:

there were some pretty dumb people who thought arm was gonna be a thing outside mobile because apple was using it for iphones. it was pretty lol.

and those people made the arm surface rt tablet

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006
arm makes sense for a tablet like the surface rt but not for a computer.

Olivil
Jul 15, 2010

Wow I'd like to be as smart as a computer

Shaggar posted:

arm makes sense for a tablet like the surface rt but not for a computer.

why is that

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

because power's cheap, and always will be.

epipen
Aug 11, 2014

nyoom
tbh it probably depends on your needs - ARM isn't gonna displace x86-64 any time soon in the server or workstation/gaming market at all, but I could easily see people who mostly just do internet banking, web browsing and emails using an ARM-based desktop or laptop.

if you want to see funny, though, people have been betting on atmel to challenge ARM in the portable devices marketplace

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

arm on the server is a hilariously stupid idea

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

then again so is javascript on the server so who the gently caress knows any more

Progressive JPEG
Feb 19, 2003

evil_bunnY posted:

because power's cheap, and always will be.

not here it isn't



Progressive JPEG
Feb 19, 2003

that map is named terrotory.gif lol

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

Progressive JPEG posted:

not here it isn't





is that residential rates cause drat. also lol as hell if that commercial rates.

30 TO 50 FERAL HOG
Mar 2, 2005



woah california is an expensive shithole

shocking

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp
power's about 6 cents a kwh in AR and average home price is about 80,000 bucks. Seems like proportionally, cali power is actually cheaper.

Hunter2 Thompson
Feb 3, 2005

Ramrod XTreme
It's not as bad as you'd think, most of the population (near the coasts) has little need for air conditioning most of the year and much of the heating comes from natural gas which is very inexpensive. I think California has one of the lowest power consumption per capita in the US, and not just because of the costs.

I use ~100-150 kWh per month for a 2-bedroom house which comes out to ~$15-30 per month in electricity, most of which probably goes to my clothes dryer. I'm curious to hear what others around the world typically pay for a similar house.

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

Making learning fun!
we used 1174 kwh last month, most of which was a/c to keep 866 sq ft at 75F. granted we have computers running a lot of the time but this is also the month in which the a/c unit hosed up so it was "running" but the fan was not always blowing. i suspect a lot of that was pissed away on the malfunctioning a/c, since a typical bill even in the texas summer is 30% lower than that

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

meatpotato posted:

It's not as bad as you'd think, most of the population (near the coasts) has little need for air conditioning most of the year and much of the heating comes from natural gas which is very inexpensive. I think California has one of the lowest power consumption per capita in the US, and not just because of the costs.

I use ~100-150 kWh per month for a 2-bedroom house which comes out to ~$15-30 per month in electricity, most of which probably goes to my clothes dryer. I'm curious to hear what others around the world typically pay for a similar house.

my power bill last month was $451 and I still buy fire wood on top of that

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp
lol is your wife's boyfriend charging his tesla at your place or smth

Hunter2 Thompson
Feb 3, 2005

Ramrod XTreme

echinopsis posted:

my power bill last month was $451 and I still buy fire wood on top of that

Just burn books, they're cheaper

PDP-1
Oct 12, 2004

It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood.

echinopsis posted:

my power bill last month was $451 and I still buy fire wood on top of that

your new idiot spare time project should be getting one of those IR cameras that uses a phone for the output screen and one of those watt meters that tells you how much each appliance is using and finding out why you're burning off so much power.

i live in loving florida and it's been the hottest year since forever and my combined electric/water/sewer/trash utility bill averages $120 USD/month for a full house. unless you're trying to climate control an uninsulated airplane hanger with a server farm inside your utility bill is nuts.

PDP-1
Oct 12, 2004

It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood.

Panty Saluter posted:

we used 1174 kwh last month, most of which was a/c to keep 866 sq ft at 75F. granted we have computers running a lot of the time but this is also the month in which the a/c unit hosed up so it was "running" but the fan was not always blowing. i suspect a lot of that was pissed away on the malfunctioning a/c, since a typical bill even in the texas summer is 30% lower than that

a couple of months ago I woke up at 3AM in a sweaty puddle and discovered that while my house was sitting at a balmy 88F the furnace was still kicking out heat at full blast. I shut it off and called up the furnace guys the next morning and they told me that "it sounds like your control board is busted, we can fix that for $500".

that seemed insanely expensive so I opened up the furnace panel and there was exactly one thing that could reasonably be identified as a "control board" so I pulled it out and got the part number. the local appliance repair place sold me one for $27.50 and it's been working great ever since.

anyhoo I guess the point is that most appliances are dirt simple and if you have the skills to feel comfortable with working on electrical stuff safely it'll save you buckets of money. also gently caress that repair place forever for trying to charge a ridiculous markup on what should have been a one hour repair visit.

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

Making learning fun!
hvac controls arent bad, just dont ground out the 24vdc. easy :v:

Apocadall
Mar 25, 2010

Aren't you the guitarist for the feed dogs?

echinopsis posted:

my power bill last month was $451 and I still buy fire wood on top of that

you really should switch to intel

comedy option: harem hitachi joke

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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PDP-1 posted:

a couple of months ago I woke up at 3AM in a sweaty puddle and discovered that while my house was sitting at a balmy 88F the furnace was still kicking out heat at full blast. I shut it off and called up the furnace guys the next morning and they told me that "it sounds like your control board is busted, we can fix that for $500".

that seemed insanely expensive so I opened up the furnace panel and there was exactly one thing that could reasonably be identified as a "control board" so I pulled it out and got the part number. the local appliance repair place sold me one for $27.50 and it's been working great ever since.

anyhoo I guess the point is that most appliances are dirt simple and if you have the skills to feel comfortable with working on electrical stuff safely it'll save you buckets of money. also gently caress that repair place forever for trying to charge a ridiculous markup on what should have been a one hour repair visit.

same thing here. they wanted to charge me $900 for a new 'control board' and i googled it and found that poo poo on amazon prime for $199. Bonus is that i hooked it up correctly, the guy who had replaced the first one hosed up and we never had the 'fan only' mode from that point on. got that poo poo rollin

HVAC is a poo poo market full of capitalist vampires and they're all making GBS threads their pants now that the internet and howtos are here, they are leaning on politicians to never change the "an HVAC dude has to come certify your heat exchanger or whatever for $1300" harder than ever before cause they know they're fuckin worthless

30 TO 50 FERAL HOG
Mar 2, 2005



especially since modern refrigerants are significantly less harmful to the environment and can be filled by regular dudes

Angela Merkle Tree
Jan 4, 2012

the definition of open: "mkdir android ; cd android ; repo init -u git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/manifest.git ; repo sync ; make"
College Slice
i use ~500kwh/month minimum year-round :smithicide:
jesus christ do anything to avoid electric hot water service

Angela Merkle Tree fucked around with this message at 09:53 on Aug 3, 2016

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

electric is fine if you have a decently isolated tank you can heat offpeak. after visiting he US a bunch of times I was surprised but how badly isolated modern housing is though. when you try to heat a house in -20c with only double glazing of course the bill's gonna hurt. district heating and bigass windows is where it's at.

also de-reg did a number on energy pricing, surprise surprise.

Angela Merkle Tree
Jan 4, 2012

the definition of open: "mkdir android ; cd android ; repo init -u git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/manifest.git ; repo sync ; make"
College Slice
no off-peak plans here sadly, at this point i'm even considering a heat-pump water heater

relevant to the thread, i've actually got a lovely home automation/data logging app hooked into some ~smart plugs~ and rf temperature sensors which lets me know how sad to be about my power usage


Progressive JPEG
Feb 19, 2003

Angela Merkle Tree posted:

no off-peak plans here sadly, at this point i'm even considering a heat-pump water heater

relevant to the thread, i've actually got a lovely home automation/data logging app hooked into some ~smart plugs~ and rf temperature sensors which lets me know how sad to be about my power usage




get a natural gas or propane water heater

we have propane powering both the water heater and house heater, refilling the tank costs like 250 and that happens around twice a year

commie coop propane pricing (ferrell ftw)

netwerk23
Aug 22, 2000
I spelled 'network' wrong.

Jonny 290 posted:

HVAC is a poo poo market full of capitalist vampires and they're all making GBS threads their pants now that the internet and howtos are here, they are leaning on politicians to never change the "an HVAC dude has to come certify your heat exchanger or whatever for $1300" harder than ever before cause they know they're fuckin worthless
Same experience here with our A/C unit in Florida. The outdoor compressor stopped cooling well because its fan wasn't activating. Issue was the dual-stage capacitor. Local AC specialist wants $120 to come onsite and another $79.99 for the cap. Amazon, Prime shipped, $15.99 for a GE-branded unit. Took me ten minutes to remove the old one and less than that to reinstall and test. Even the local appliance parts guys wanted over $40 for the same part. I realize we all gotta eat, but you can't charge double without adding any other value. Let Amazon eat their cake, I say.

Now, if the capacitor hadn't fixed it, I probably would have called the specialist guys, shrug.

30 TO 50 FERAL HOG
Mar 2, 2005



those caps store an absolutely absurd amount of energy, i hope you wore ppe

peepsalot
Apr 24, 2007

        PEEP THIS...
           BITCH!

Just short the terminals with a screwdriver and its discharged. Also its not that much energy, just that they can deliver it all at once (high power).

EIDE Van Hagar
Dec 8, 2000

Beep Boop

netwerk23 posted:

Same experience here with our A/C unit in Florida. The outdoor compressor stopped cooling well because its fan wasn't activating. Issue was the dual-stage capacitor. Local AC specialist wants $120 to come onsite and another $79.99 for the cap. Amazon, Prime shipped, $15.99 for a GE-branded unit. Took me ten minutes to remove the old one and less than that to reinstall and test. Even the local appliance parts guys wanted over $40 for the same part. I realize we all gotta eat, but you can't charge double without adding any other value. Let Amazon eat their cake, I say.

Now, if the capacitor hadn't fixed it, I probably would have called the specialist guys, shrug.

in florida, pit sweat capital of the world, having an ac part in stock locally and not waiting a day or two from amazon is definitely added value imho

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

netwerk23 posted:

Even the local appliance parts guys wanted over $40 for the same part. I realize we all gotta eat, but you can't charge double without adding any other value. Let Amazon eat their cake, I say.

yeah, it sucks. i want to support the local motorcycle stores, but when i go in and like "do you have this particular kind of chain" "no, we don't, but we can order it for you for $139.99 and it will be here in four days" vs the exact same part on amazon in 2 days for 80 bucks...well

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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yeah i needed a 36mm 12 point socket to undo the hub nut on my old car, Grainger wanted to order it and charge me $27 to get it in 10 days. I found it for 21 bucks on Prime. Y'all dyin, yo.

So much money in the construction/infrastructure/"keep your stuff runnin" economy is straight lovely "oh no you'll catch it on fire i'm TRAINED in between meth jags let me do it" workfare

graph
Nov 22, 2006

aaag peanuts

Jonny 290 posted:

yeah i needed a 36mm 12 point socket to undo the hub nut on my old car, Grainger wanted to order it and charge me $27 to get it in 10 days. I found it for 21 bucks on Prime. Y'all dyin, yo.

So much money in the construction/infrastructure/"keep your stuff runnin" economy is straight lovely "oh no you'll catch it on fire i'm TRAINED in between meth jags let me do it" workfare

all these people are going to have to become cops because thatll be the only job left and everythings gonna Get Worse

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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idea: uber for HVAC guys. surge pricing is a multiplier tied to the absolute difference between current temp and 68F

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp
they already have an index we can track

DEFINITION of 'Heating Degree Day - HDD' The number of degrees that a day's average temperature is below 65oFahrenheit (18o Celsius), the temperature below which buildings need to be heated. The price of weather derivatives traded in the winter is based on an index made up of monthly HDD values.

Arcsech
Aug 5, 2008
the home appliances chat reminds me, i still have to figure out why our fridge water stopped working

CrazyLittle
Sep 11, 2001





Clapping Larry

Jonny 290 posted:

idea: uber for HVAC guys. surge pricing is a multiplier tied to the absolute difference between current temp and 68F

eden.io - uber for cj'ing... and house cleaning.

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Pile Of Garbage
May 28, 2007



uber for charging your jo crystal

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