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Carrion Luggage
Nov 24, 2006

Cojawfee posted:

"Bitcoin is the money of the future."
"I'm ruling that Bitcoin is not really money."
"This is actually good for bitcoin because..."

Edit: Those cops are pretty dumb if they think them mentioning they would commit a crime would cause him to be accessory to it just because they bought bitcoins from him. If I whisper "I'm going to murder a prostitute with this" to a store clerk as I buy a baseball bat, should that clerk be charged with money laundering?



nope, but you can be found guilty of being an accessory to murder

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Mercury_Storm
Jun 12, 2003

*chomp chomp chomp*

This is actually good for bitcoin because...

Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

Take 1 tablet by mouth daily.
http://gizmodo.com/as-punishment-for-stealing-bitcoin-man-must-teach-poli-1784285875

"Most notably, however, as part of defendant Michell Espinoza’s plea deal, he must teach Florida law enforcement about Bitcoin."

They're having a Bitcoiner teach them about Bitcoins. This case is awesome. So good for Bitcoin.

max4me
Jun 15, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
I was remembering the old Bitcoin threads, Altas and Dank. They really made it something.

It was amazing watching how they went through like 300 years of finical theory in a like a years time.

If you keep your gold in your house people will steal it.

If you pool all your gold in someone elses house, it might get stolen by ether an outsider or the dudes house.

If you trust the market, well the dude running the exchange might be crooked.

The creator might be an autistic who just wanted to buy model trains.

Remember bit gem or bit gold people kept buying I wonder how that ended.

3 phase talking about wiring and how all those morons will burn there house down.


Ah bitcoin you truley were a source of comedy gold.

A Man With A Plan
Mar 29, 2010
Fallen Rib
Looks like 125k bitcoins may have been stolen from BitFinex. Some things never change.

SpelledBackwards
Jan 7, 2001

I found this image on the Internet, perhaps you've heard of it? It's been around for a while I hear.

A Man With A Plan posted:

Looks like 125k bitcoins may have been stolen moved from BitFinex's weak hands to someone else's strong hands. Some things should never change.
I made some suggested edits.

Lime Tonics
Nov 7, 2015

by FactsAreUseless

A Man With A Plan posted:

Looks like 125k bitcoins may have been stolen from BitFinex. Some things never change.

"

Today we discovered a security breach that requires us to halt all trading on Bitfinex, as well as halt all digital token deposits to and withdrawals from Bitfinex.

We are investigating the breach to determine what happened, but we know that some of our users have had their bitcoins stolen. We are undertaking a review to determine which users have been affected by the breach. While we conduct this initial investigation and secure our environment, bitfinex.com will be taken down and the maintenance page will be left up.

The theft is being reported to — and we are co-operating with — law enforcement.
"

http://thenextweb.com/insider/2016/08/03/bitcoin-bitfinex-75-million-stolen/#gref

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Just call up the central Bitcoin dispatch and get them to reverse the transaction.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Cojawfee posted:

Just call up the central Bitcoin dispatch and get them to reverse the transaction.

Or have FDIC cover the depositors' funds.

Sentient Data
Aug 31, 2011

My molecule scrambler ray will disintegrate your armor with one blow!
If only I had fewer ethics, it'd be so easy to start up a bitcoin insurance agency, publicly pay out a few initial claims to people in on the scam to build up trust, then just deny every one of those big hack claims (and vanish into the night if the pressure somehow builds)

Normally an insurance agency is a guaranteed profit just based on the business model, but lol at the thought of anyone paying a reasonable rate based on the risk (especially since the risk will rise due to people taking the insurance purely to try to double their money with a fraudulent payout)

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
You would immediately be scammed out of business. All of your clients would constantly get hacked by evil doers and make claims.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Sentient Data posted:

If only I had fewer ethics, it'd be so easy to start up a bitcoin insurance agency, publicly pay out a few initial claims to people in on the scam to build up trust, then just deny every one of those big hack claims (and vanish into the night if the pressure somehow builds)

Normally an insurance agency is a guaranteed profit just based on the business model, but lol at the thought of anyone paying a reasonable rate based on the risk (especially since the risk will rise due to people taking the insurance purely to try to double their money with a fraudulent payout)

Might have worked in the early days, but now if you made any money from that you would certainly end up arrested.

edit: Or assassinated. I seem to remember that one scheme that came up often on the Bitcoin forums was people suggesting hiring bounty hunters to find anyone who cheated the community. Everyone suggesting that of course wanted others to pay for it.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Lime Tonics posted:

"

Today we discovered a security breach that requires us to halt all trading on Bitfinex, as well as halt all digital token deposits to and withdrawals from Bitfinex.

We are investigating the breach to determine what happened, but we know that some of our users have had their bitcoins stolen. We are undertaking a review to determine which users have been affected by the breach. While we conduct this initial investigation and secure our environment, bitfinex.com will be taken down and the maintenance page will be left up.

The theft is being reported to — and we are co-operating with — law enforcement.
"

http://thenextweb.com/insider/2016/08/03/bitcoin-bitfinex-75-million-stolen/#gref

"Bitcoin exchange platform Bitfinex is reporting the theft of what some users are saying is as much as 119,756btc — or about $65 million in cash."

How exactly are they determining that cash value? Is that 65 million in Monopoly money? An equivalent amount of gift cards?

Fat Shat Sings
Jan 24, 2016

CaptainSarcastic posted:

"Bitcoin exchange platform Bitfinex is reporting the theft of what some users are saying is as much as 119,756btc — or about $65 million in cash."

How exactly are they determining that cash value? Is that 65 million in Monopoly money? An equivalent amount of gift cards?

Bitcoiners always just multiple (Current Price) x (Amount) so they are valuing every bitcoin in existence at $551.00 despite the fact that if you tried to sell that many bitcoins you would obliterate the market.

A Man With A Plan
Mar 29, 2010
Fallen Rib

CaptainSarcastic posted:

"Bitcoin exchange platform Bitfinex is reporting the theft of what some users are saying is as much as 119,756btc — or about $65 million in cash."

How exactly are they determining that cash value? Is that 65 million in Monopoly money? An equivalent amount of gift cards?

Probably spot price on some big exchange, which as we all know is a moronic way of figuring that.

E: yeah that ^^

Buttcoin purse
Apr 24, 2014

Senor Tron posted:

edit: Or assassinated. I seem to remember that one scheme that came up often on the Bitcoin forums was people suggesting hiring bounty hunters to find anyone who cheated the community. Everyone suggesting that of course wanted others to pay for it.

That's just the bitcoiner version of regular internet tough guys threatening to kill someone directly. A lot of people cheat the community but I don't remember hearing many stories of actual violence occurring apart from thefts, and all the stories of people who died that I can recall were drug overdoses.

Anyway the BTC-USD exchange rate has dropped from around $650 a week ago to $530ish right now, roughly, but this is good for bitcoin.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
What happened to atlas in the end? And Bruce the Pattaya boy lover?

vortmax
Sep 24, 2008

In meteorology, vorticity often refers to a measurement of the spin of horizontally flowing air about a vertical axis.
Which exchange was it that actually bought insurance, then when they "got hacked" the insurance company just said "LOL no"?

ellie the beep
Jun 15, 2007

Vaginas, my subject.
Plane hulls, my medium.

Jumpingmanjim posted:

What happened to atlas in the end? And Bruce the Pattaya boy lover?

atlas moved to canada and became an immortal

bruce tried to get Occupy Wall Street people to shower in his apartment and then dropped off the grid for a while, but briefly resurged by trying to get everybody to use a gay hookup app in order to facilitate face-to-face bitcoin transactions

Gobbeldygook
May 13, 2009
Hates Native American people and tries to justify their genocides.

Put this racist on ignore immediately!

vortmax posted:

Which exchange was it that actually bought insurance, then when they "got hacked" the insurance company just said "LOL no"?
Bitpay.

let it mellow
Jun 1, 2000

Dinosaur Gum

Edminster posted:

atlas moved to canada and became an immortal

bruce tried to get Occupy Wall Street people to shower in his apartment and then dropped off the grid for a while, but briefly resurged by trying to get everybody to use a gay hookup app in order to facilitate face-to-face bitcoin transactions

:eyepop:
:vince:

my reactions to the updates

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

vortmax posted:

Which exchange was it that actually bought insurance, then when they "got hacked" the insurance company just said "LOL no"?

This was notable because not only did the insurance company refuse to pay, but the insurance policy was written in such a way that they'd really never have to pay for any lost bitcoins; it only covered physical theft of money, not digital transfers. But Bitcoin can only be stolen digitally. So really the policy only covered whatever cash Bitpay might have had laying around in the office

Captains of industry

Comfy Fleece Sweater
Apr 2, 2013

You see, but you do not observe.

Edminster posted:

atlas moved to canada and became an immortal

bruce tried to get Occupy Wall Street people to shower in his apartment and then dropped off the grid for a while, but briefly resurged by trying to get everybody to use a gay hookup app in order to facilitate face-to-face bitcoin transactions

Lol, remember Occupy Wall Street

What a waste of everyone's time

max4me
Jun 15, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
Saw this today

https://news.vice.com/article/bitcoin-value-drops-hackers-steal-65-million-bitfinex?utm_source=vicenewsfbads

quote:


Bitcoin value drops after hackers steal $65 million worth of it

By Kayla Ruble
August 3, 2016 | 8:42 am

Bitcoin values plummeted overnight, dropping by double digits after $65 million worth of the digital currency was lifted from a Hong Kong-based exchange.

The popular Bitcoin exchange Bitfinex revealed this week that 120,000 bitcoins were stolen after hackers breached its system and looted people's bitcoin wallets.

"We are investigating the breach to determine what happened, but we know that some of our users have had their bitcoins stolen," the company said in a statement on Tuesday, the Guardian reported. "We are undertaking a review to determine which users have been affected by the breach."

After announcing the breach, Bitfinex put a hold on trading the currency on its exchange and other transactions, a move that appeared to kick off the spiraling value. In Tokyo on Wednesday, the currency was down 5.5 percent, according to Bloomberg. In the last two days Bitcoin has dropped 13 percent, the media outlet reported.

Related: A Nasdaq for Bitcoin: VICE News interviews the Winklevoss twins about the future of cryptocurrency

The latest hack highlights the continued concern over Bitcoin security. The currency's transactions are traceable through what is referred to as the blockchain, public information that shows where the coin has changed hands. But it remains challenging to verify who exactly is affiliated with each address.

The most infamous Bitcoin hack took place in 2014 when a hack of the now-bankrupt exchange Mt. Gox resulted in the loss of currency worth more than $400 million.

Despite Bitcoin's growing popularity — several major retailers now accept it as payment — there is no federal regulation or central bank oversight of the virtual currency. While global regulations are lacking, New York state took steps last year to develop what it called BitLicense framework to regulate bitcoin-related companies, establishing consumer and cyber security protection.



So since the weekend is coming doesnt that mean people are buy coins to buy their drugs or did that cycle go away with silk road.

Rufio
Feb 6, 2003

I'm smart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!
Sounds like a great time to buy bitcoins!

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

QuarkJets posted:

This was notable because not only did the insurance company refuse to pay, but the insurance policy was written in such a way that they'd really never have to pay for any lost bitcoins; it only covered physical theft of money, not digital transfers. But Bitcoin can only be stolen digitally. So really the policy only covered whatever cash Bitpay might have had laying around in the office

Captains of industry

i remember reading that and the insurance company's interpretation was debatable

insurance companies will contest any claim they possibly can on the most transparently bullshit reasons so i'm willing to give them a pass here

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
just from super briefly skimming the link provided, it looks like the insurance company said 'you didn't get hacked, you got email phished which is just you being an idiot. there is no actionable claim here.'

quote:

We are unaware of any evidence to support that the perpetrator gained access to the Bitpay computer system or device. The ultimate transfer of bitcoins did not result from the perpetrator's access to the Bitpay computer system or device. Ultimately Mr. Krohn's superiors made the decision to send bitcoins in three separate transactions, prior to receiving payment

So, "you just hosed up that's not on us."

It's like if you get Nigeria scammed then try to make an FDIC claim saying the money you wired away was stolen from the bank.

Sentient Data
Aug 31, 2011

My molecule scrambler ray will disintegrate your armor with one blow!

Rufio posted:

Sounds like a great time to buy bitcoins!

They're not devalued, they're discounted! Grab your coins before the summer sale is over! They can only go up uP UP!

Mercury_Storm
Jun 12, 2003

*chomp chomp chomp*
Cheap coins!! Value is assured! Buy now while you still can! :shepface: :shepface: :shepface:

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
it's all about the dogecoin

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




quote:

"We are investigating the breach to determine what happened, but we know that some of our users have had their bitcoins stolen," the company said in a statement on Tuesday, the Guardian reported. "We are undertaking a review to determine which users have been affected by the breach."

I love the wording here. We weren't robbed, some of our individual customers were robbed. Some of our customers were not robbed. Too bad for those guys who got robbed though. Don't blame us, blame the guy who robbed you.


Can you imagine a bank claiming some particular customer accounts were robbed rather than the bank itself being robbed? Yeah, sorry, the sack of money with your account number on it was stolen, so your money is gone.

WrenP-Complete
Jul 27, 2012

Well, learning about bitcoin and laughing at technolibertarianism has now made me set up Folding@home with all my friends. So I guess something good has come of it?

Sentient Data
Aug 31, 2011

My molecule scrambler ray will disintegrate your armor with one blow!
Only if you set up folding farms with milk crate after milk crate of graphic cards and power supplies

WrenP-Complete
Jul 27, 2012

Sentient Data posted:

Only if you set up folding farms with milk crate after milk crate of graphic cards and power supplies

Yes, only if we give ourselves brain damage while trying to fold proteins... to help brain damage. Then the circle will be unbroken.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



WrenP-Complete posted:

Yes, only if we give ourselves brain damage while trying to fold proteins... to help brain damage. Then the circle will be unbroken.

Just dump liquid nitrogen on the floor - you'll be fine.

WrenP-Complete
Jul 27, 2012

CaptainSarcastic posted:

Just dump liquid nitrogen on the floor - you'll be fine.

I just googled "nitrogen bitcoin" and found https://www.bitedge.co/bitcoin-sportsbook-reviews/nitrogen-sports-review/

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
If you were trying to figure out what it was referring to, it's a video of a guy talking about cooling his mining rig. He has a big dewar liquid nitrogen and instead of doing something useful with it, he just dumps it on the floor. It quickly vaporizes and does nothing but make his carpet really cold.

WrenP-Complete
Jul 27, 2012

Cojawfee posted:

If you were trying to figure out what it was referring to, it's a video of a guy talking about cooling his mining rig. He has a big dewar liquid nitrogen and instead of doing something useful with it, he just dumps it on the floor. It quickly vaporizes and does nothing but make his carpet really cold.

Oh yep. I got it and was just trying to make a joke in response. Womp womp.

SpelledBackwards
Jan 7, 2001

I found this image on the Internet, perhaps you've heard of it? It's been around for a while I hear.

Cojawfee posted:

If you were trying to figure out what it was referring to, it's a video of a guy talking about cooling his mining rig. He has a big dewar liquid nitrogen and instead of doing something useful with it, he just dumps it on the floor. It quickly vaporizes and does nothing but make his carpet really cold.

And to his benefit, didn't get asphyxiated in the relatively enclosed space.

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SpelledBackwards
Jan 7, 2001

I found this image on the Internet, perhaps you've heard of it? It's been around for a while I hear.

Moridin920 posted:

it's all about the dogecoin

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