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So apparently Suicide Squad had similar studio intervention with competing cuts of the film that Fantastic Four did, but it wasn't quite as dramatic. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/suicide-squads-secret-drama-rushed-916693 Ayer's cut was apparently more somber/serious. [edit] Choice quote: quote:"[Ayer] wrote the script in like, six weeks, and they just went," he says, arguing that the whole process would have benefited if Ayer, 48, had been given more time to work. teagone fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Aug 3, 2016 |
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AFoolAndHisMoney posted:What are you even saying here? That it's wrong to voice the idea that movies you dislike are terrible and explaining why you find them bad or why you hate the process of how they are made is conceited? Remember that time when SMG began every sentence with "In my opinion," to gently caress with people
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Aug 3, 2016 15:13
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Most are actually bad, from what I've seen: Um, I thought Captain America 2 blames the American security complex for the revitalization of NeoNazis?
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Aug 3, 2016 15:15
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Calde posted:Um, I thought Captain America 2 blames the American security complex for the revitalization of NeoNazis? Did you miss the scene where there was a brain uploaded nazi scientist on tape decks?
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Aug 3, 2016 15:23
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Yeah I get that Cap 2 was going for something like "the response to terrorism is leading us to a police state" but it's marred by the fact that it's a conspiracy that's doing that instead of the average rank and file people. Like quite literally you get a scene where the baddies get expelled and in the next movie (Ultron) they're on the run and society is otherwise unchanged. That gives a message of "you can have radical change but also your life will be exactly the same as before", which is dumb.
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computer parts posted:Yeah I get that Cap 2 was going for something like "the response to terrorism is leading us to a police state" but it's marred by the fact that it's a conspiracy that's doing that instead of the average rank and file people. I'd say that the resetting of stakes is best for a films message; "in this world where the police state has been questioned and resisted...." holds less tethers to our current situation than "in a world similar to our own..." Like any long-running serial, there are great stories with far reaching implications within the end of that story, but the next story is going to begin in an approachable and disconnected manner, both in service to newcomers and new writers. Kirk and Spock helped to end segregation on a planet and integrate the race into starfleet, but thats not going to come up again because it adds to the baggage the next writer needs to account for and to explain to new viewers. That doesn't mean the message is "desegregation is pointless and doesnt change anything".
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Aug 3, 2016 15:47
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Did you miss the scene where there was a brain uploaded nazi scientist on tape decks? I'm pretty sure tape decks cant brainwash an entire military force. He obtained power directly from SHIELD's failings. You dont really just point to mein kampf and say "its not our cultures fault these neonazis are gaining prevalence, it was all this dead dictator's book of Power Words!"
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Harlock posted:Rotten Tomatoes is biased against the DCU Movies  do these people realize WB owns a huge chunk of RT
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Aug 3, 2016 16:05
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Slugworth posted:Where are you getting the sequel info from? Marketing has been saying that WWI is what drove her to abandon humanity, I'd be surprised if the sequel is her showing back up in WWII just to abandon humanity again. Some old articles circa 2014 and 2015, not much in terms of recent articles though. I'd think the Holocaust would be the event most likely to cause Wonder Woman to abandon humanity over the first World War though (especially since that would be more in line with the comics).
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teagone posted:So apparently Suicide Squad had similar studio intervention with competing cuts of the film that Fantastic Four did, but it wasn't quite as dramatic. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/suicide-squads-secret-drama-rushed-916693 Ayer's cut was apparently more somber/serious. And yet people swore up and down that the stories about making it light-hearted meant nothing. It actually sounds more like a TERMINATOR: SALVATION situation and I bet there was a lot of rewriting on set
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Aug 3, 2016 16:22
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Franchescanado posted:I feel like a Joker/Harley movie would be interesting if they did a Natural Born Killers thing with it. Goddamn this would be perfect. A Joker film with a meta-commentary on how the Joker has a cult of personality following despite being a twisted piece of poo poo? Yes please.
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Neurolimal posted:I'm pretty sure tape decks cant brainwash an entire military force. He obtained power directly from SHIELD's failings. You dont really just point to mein kampf and say "its not our cultures fault these neonazis are gaining prevalence, it was all this dead dictator's book of Power Words!" No I just meant it clearly goes back to a pre-9/11 period.
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Aug 3, 2016 16:35
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I'm going to start a petition to get Jared Leto locked up for his on-set sex crimes. Jared Leto you will go to prison for the sex crimes you did and also because I think you suck.
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Aug 3, 2016 16:55
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The Cameo posted:how misanthropic Nah, Marvel is just paying me to spout these opinions (please don't tell anyone)
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Hey, it probably pays better than being a star or director or writer of one of those films at this point, and less of a contractual grind, too
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At the very least he is guilty of sexual harassment. Think about if one of your coworkers sent you used condoms and sex..toys.then think about what would happen.
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The Cameo posted:Hey, it probably pays better than being a star or director or writer of one of those films at this point, and less of a contractual grind, too When are we going to see our first on-set superhero movie director suicide? Which DC movie or Fantastic 4 re-re-reboot is going to drive one of these poor motherfuckers to eat a bullet?
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Josh Trank's career is over so time will tell.
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I just watched it. I now have a new fond appreciation for Batman V Superman. The Martha scene from BVS was Shakespeare compared to this. Well done to the marketing for making me believe this would be a good movie though.
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Aug 3, 2016 17:20
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K. Waste posted:the smear campaign against WB/DC Haha you think this is real
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Shards of Fate posted:I just watched it. I now have a new fond appreciation for Batman V Superman. The Martha scene from BVS was Shakespeare compared to this. I wanna build a team of some bad people who can do some good. What are you really up to? Flag. That's a need to know, and all you need to know is that you work for me. You need real soldiers, not these scumbags. Everyone has a weakness. And a weakness can be leveraged. That is just. A mean. Lady. *nods* Yeah.
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Aug 3, 2016 17:36
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AFoolAndHisMoney posted:And here we have the advocation of executive/committee/management based movie making and arguing for the death of an actual creative voice behind a film. We are actually celebrating mediocrity and the idea of building franchise films devoid of any creative voice or identity by just following a homogenised formula set by some upper level management. 'Suicide Squad's' Secret Drama: Rushed Production, Competing Cuts, High Anxiety ‘Batman v Superman’ Extended Cut Adds in All the Scenes That Make It Make Sense (Commentary) lol
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lazorexplosion posted:'Suicide Squad's' Secret Drama: Rushed Production, Competing Cuts, High Anxiety But mooooommm you can't punish me for breaking the vase! Billy next door snuck into an R-rated movie AND he stole from his dad's wallet!
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K. Waste posted:the smear campaign against WB/DC lmao
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This got a 32 on rottentomatos, I'm sure glad that they already have 2 more DC movies just like this coming after these last 2 flops!
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teagone posted:So apparently Suicide Squad had similar studio intervention with competing cuts of the film that Fantastic Four did, but it wasn't quite as dramatic. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/suicide-squads-secret-drama-rushed-916693 Ayer's cut was apparently more somber/serious. Its funny that "not enough time to work" is a complaint when it felt like this movie took foooorrrrever to actually be released.
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There is a mid credit scene for those going to see it. For those who arn't: That scene shows Viola Davis as Amanda Waller presenting dossiers on Aquaman and the Flash to none other than Bruce Wayne himself (Ben Affleck). As he leaves, Bruce tells Waller to shut down the Suicide Squad project, after the mess it made over the course of the movie.
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Aug 3, 2016 19:14
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Tenzarin posted:There is a mid credit scene for those going to see it. Sounds like a stupid post-credits scene anyway. Those are meant to tell you things you don't already know to make you get excited for the next movie not just reiterate something you've already seen and know.
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in the final scene will smith looks at the camera and goes "well i guess this truly was a suicide...squad" and then they all jump and freeze frame
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Zelder posted:in the final scene will smith looks at the camera and goes "well i guess this truly was a suicide...squad" and then they all jump and freeze frame You're joking but Will Smith absolutely has a line where he says something like "what is this? Some kind of......SUICIDE SQUAD?!?!?!
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Aug 3, 2016 20:18
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Wade Wilson posted:Some old articles circa 2014 and 2015, not much in terms of recent articles though. Hopefully even Snyder knows better than bringing the Holocaust into a bunch of superhero movies. I mean I get that he likes things dark but Christ, have some restraint!
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Crosspost: Like, you'll notice that the frequent point is that "Suicide Squad is trying too hard to be an edgier version of Guardians of the Galaxy," but the basis of this criticism is literally that GotG exists at all, and implicit within it is actually a far more troubling premise where GotG is actually superior because it has no aspirations whatsoever. The film is praised highly for having a foul-mouthed alien raccoon character which it 'effortlessly' renders as indistinct and non-disturbing, for example. Like the editing, this quality is good because it doesn't arouse any particular feeling at all, but is rather reassuring about the consistency of the projected gaze with our own ideological comfort. You see the same thing with the commodity fetishism regarding Deadpool. "Look, two comic book movies about wisecracking mercenaries! Coincidence?!" Meanwhile, David Ayer is sitting somewhere wondering if anybody has actually watched his films, or considered that he doesn't think Marvel movies are good, while he types an obscurantist tweet about a Mexican revolutionary. This is this awkward guy's feeble attempt to tell the socially-mediated world that he doesn't share the oppositional cynicism of Deadpool or the candy-striped morality of GotG, but none of this matters because the point of these lazy criticisms and appraisals is never actually that people earnestly believe that Suicide Squad is more like those films than, say, Sabotage (another underrated action film compromised by studio meddling); it's that they want all movies to share in the inoffensive mediocrity of Deadpool and GotG because it makes their jobs easier. Of course, this premise that 'trying too hard is worse than not trying at all,' that the invisibility of the spectacle is preferable to testing the audience and risking their vitriolic rejection, forces a series of comorbid premises which adopt vague memes: Mediocrity is good, 87% of cape-man movies are "fresh" (conveniently benefiting whichever corporation just manufactures the most of them), the problem with the cinematic minority lies with the absence of "color" and trying too hard to be "edgy," etc. Meanwhile, virtually never in this discourse are particular scenes cited, shots juxtaposed, cuts analyzed, dialog deconstructed, criticism merely persists on the level of vague memetic subscription. It's almost like debating Ed Wood, "Filmmaking isn't about the little details, it's about the big picture!"
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BigglesSWE posted:Hopefully even Snyder knows better than bringing the Holocaust into a bunch of superhero movies. I mean I get that he likes things dark but Christ, have some restraint! The X-Men movies have the Neon Holocaust in em and nobody batted an eye.
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Ah, the Holocaust isn't dark enough for a Snyder movie anyway.
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BigglesSWE posted:Hopefully even Snyder knows better than bringing the Holocaust into a bunch of superhero movies. I mean I get that he likes things dark but Christ, have some restraint! Yeah I mean what happened because of WWI Nothin that's what
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The X-Men movies have the Neon Holocaust in em and nobody batted an eye. I haven't seen any of them, how much of the Holocaust does it actually show? Because knowing Snyder, he wouldn't want to be too vague. Meaning we'd see Wonder Woman a la "Schindlers List", meaning, disaster.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The X-Men movies have the Neon Holocaust in em and nobody batted an eye. Xmen Apocalypse having Psylocke standing in sexy poses while Magneto breaks down in the concentration camp ruins is a hell of a thing to see. BigglesSWE posted:I haven't seen any of them, how much of the Holocaust does it actually show? Because knowing Snyder, he wouldn't want to be too vague. Meaning we'd see Wonder Woman a la "Schindlers List", meaning, disaster. Two of the films place great importance on Magneto's childhood in a concentration camp and two others use its imagery heavily. Snyder is not making the Wonder Woman film. A True Jar Jar Fan fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Aug 3, 2016 |
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BigglesSWE posted:I haven't seen any of them, how much of the Holocaust does it actually show? Because knowing Snyder, he wouldn't want to be too vague. Meaning we'd see Wonder Woman a la "Schindlers List", meaning, disaster. DOFP directly references the opening scene of X-Men 1, except this time the barbed wire cages are made of glowing neon lights and the untermenschen have super powers. Also, Nixon is a character with at least a page of lines, and the climax of the film takes place on the White House lawn. A True Jar Jar Fan posted:Xmen Apocalypse having Psylocke standing in sexy poses while Magneto breaks down in the concentration camp ruins is a hell of a thing to see. I've come to appreciate the bad taste of the X-Men movies. HUNDU THE BEAST GOD fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Aug 3, 2016 |
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Basebf555 posted:You're joking but Will Smith absolutely has a line where he says something like "what is this? Some kind of......SUICIDE SQUAD?!?!?! While the line is dumb in isolation, I give it a pass because this is almost always how they get the name in comics. The official name is Task Force X, but usual a member of the #skwad or another character gives this moniker in dialog.
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